Willie Rioli "on leave" from Port Adelaide after social media post

[PenfoldsFan]

So it seems likely that the bulldogs players commented on Willie's weight, Kochie is saying that's culturally insensitive, Bevo is saying it's not.

Think both sides should move on, there's no winner in that kind of debate.

Which is exactly what the AFL requested initially.
I wonder why..

 

[TiAn_]

We've gone nowhere near the embarassment of a 55 year old man deciding he can decide what is culturally insensitive to a person from the Tiwi Islands.

Is it any wonder that a certain, highly talented Indigenous player is currently facing many issues that he doesn't want to be anywhere near the Bulldogs Football Club?

You’re saying Jamarra’s off field issues are tied to him being indigenous? **** me that’s some awful stereotyping.

It’s not just indigenous players that struggle with their off field behaviour. Have a good look at yourself.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

You’re right, there is no winner…but if that is now deemed culturally insensitive then they may need to let everyone know what is and isn’t off limits - they have a policy in place, it may need to be updated to avoid stuff like this happening again.

….or do the goal posts just move when required?….

They did, they said keep it clean from now on.
You dont reckon that was aimed at every club, lol.

Unfortunately they didnt think bigfooty posters were important enough to get the memo and they've all lost their minds.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

But david koch as a 69 year old priviliged white man can decide why is culturally insensitive?

He doesn't have to decide, he just had to listen to his player who most certainly can decide and relay it..

 

[Duckimus Prime]

You’re saying Jamarra’s off field issues are tied to him being indigenous? **** me that’s some awful stereotyping.

It’s not just indigenous players that struggle with their off field behaviour. Have a good look at yourself.

No I'm saying the fact that a coach who seems to think he gets to determine what is racially insensitive to an Indigenous person has probably contributed to the mental struggles of a young Indigenous player.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

But david koch as a 69 year old priviliged white man can decide why is culturally insensitive?

David Koch is listening to the Indigenous man. Not telling him that he's wrong.

Its becoming really clear that the best thing for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan's career is to get away from the Western Bulldogs.

 

[The Feeder Club]

This thread is quite an eye opener into the cult mentality at Port. Is it David Koch or David Koresh?

 

[Tugga27]

So it seems likely that the bulldogs players commented on Willie's weight, Kochie is saying that's culturally insensitive, Bevo is saying it's not.

Think both sides should move on, there's no winner in that kind of debate.

If I'm asked to trust Bailey Dale or Willie Rioli, I know which one I'm picking.
And it ain't Willie.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I think there’s a lot of difference between explaining behaviour, and justifying it.

It’s been blurred by public comments in this case, and the cause of a lot of misunderstanding by all parties including those watching on.

This is a really good comment.

Willi R has clearly reacted really strongly to things.
And that reaction might be comprised of a few things. Maybe he's a bit of a dick AND someone who suffers a lot of cultural abuse and insensitivity.

Bit rich for everyone outside the tend to cast a judgement on whether his actions are an overreaction I reckon. Needs some strong feedback that violent threats aren't the way to go, but the rest of it is people just filling in the gaps with their own world view.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

We've gone nowhere near the embarassment of a 55 year old man deciding he can decide what is culturally insensitive to a person from the Tiwi Islands.

Is it any wonder that a certain, highly talented Indigenous player is currently facing many issues that he doesn't want to be anywhere near the Bulldogs Football Club?

You're talking utter shit.
Trying to put this back onto the dogs based off the spin of your dickhead chairman.

 

[TiAn_]

No I'm saying the fact that a coach who seems to think he gets to determine what is racially insensitive to an Indigenous person has probably contributed to the mental struggles of a young Indigenous player.

This is disgusting accusation to make just to justify something that Koch idiot said.

You need to pull your head in.

 

[SC_Power]

If I'm asked to trust Bailey Dale or Willie Rioli, I know which one I'm picking.
And it ain't Willie.

And if it were a political election campaign, then that’s ok.

But in most conflicts that aren’t so binary, you don’t need to choose a side. Maybe Rioli and Dale (and others involved) (and we who are not) each don’t truly understand what the other is meaning by their words, and don’t understand the impact of their own?

That’s usually how successful mediations work.

Or maybe they (or we) don’t want to know, preferring to think we are 100% right in our original opinion and defending it as if it were a personal reflection of us, often twisting facts to do so.

That s usually how ongoing conflicts escalate. That’s where this one is heading it’s clear.

 

[Freshwater]

So it seems likely that the bulldogs players commented on Willie's weight, Kochie is saying that's culturally insensitive, Bevo is saying it's not.

Think both sides should move on, there's no winner in that kind of debate.

Does Willy want to be treated differently from everyone else or the same? If it’s the same, he has to accept being called fat or a stoner whatever. Young men’s banter is brutal but has always been there and creates a thick skin. If Willy wants to be treated differently, let everyone know and everyone else can just get on with things. You can’t be saying calling someone fat is now racism

 

[SC_Power]

Does Willy want to be treated differently from everyone else or the same? If it’s the same, he has to accept being called fat or a stoner whatever. Young men’s banter is brutal but has always been there and creates a thick skin. If Willy wants to be treated differently, let everyone know and everyone else can just get on with things. You can’t be saying calling someone fat is now racism

Like most posts, there’s some truth in this, and there’s some that needs context.

[tldr response alert]

Consider this as an equivalent example from, and I’m proposing these for discussion,

If I booed a player once because they were too good and I wanted to put them off their game
If I booed a player once because they were behaving like a w***er
If I booed a player because they were often behaving in a way that I was reacting to
If I booed a player because others around me were booing them as well
If I booed a player for any of the above reasons, and I’ve done it 100 times before.
If I booed a player for any of the above reasons, not knowing the target has been subjected to it 100 times before because of a character pattern targeted by those booing
If I booed a player with others around me for any of the above reasons, and I’ve done it 100 times before, and a pattern emerges of the character those I’m booing

It’s just booing, it’s always been there, and creates a thick skin, right? The first couple fall squarely in that camp.

So which of those would you consider banter, which would you consider unacceptable, and which would you consider potentially discriminatory/racist?

And what if you are in the first example’s position, and someone told you about the last couple? Would you keep going?

 

[Pieshighflyer]

Like most posts, there’s some truth in this, and there’s some that needs context.

[tldr response alert]

Consider this as an equivalent example from, and I’m proposing these for discussion,

If I booed a player once because they were too good and I wanted to put them off their game
If I booed a player once because they were behaving like a w***er
If I booed a player because they were often behaving in a way that I was reacting to
If I booed a player because others around me were booing them as well
If I booed a player for any of the above reasons, and I’ve done it 100 times before.
If I booed a player for any of the above reasons, not knowing the target has been subjected to it 100 times before because of a character pattern targeted by those booing
If I booed a player with others around me for any of the above reasons, and I’ve done it 100 times before, and a pattern emerges of the character those I’m booing

It’s just booing, it’s always been there, and creates a thick skin, right? The first couple fall squarely in that camp.

So which of those would you consider banter, which would you consider unacceptable, and which would you consider potentially discriminatory/racist?

And what if you are in the first example’s position, and someone told you about the last couple? Would you keep going?

What the hell does that have to do with a player calling another fat on the footy field?

 

[SC_Power]

What the hell does that have to do with a player calling another fat on the footy field?

I’m sure by AFL player standards, he’s been called fat a thousand times by opponents and fans and he wouldn’t have cared and certainly not reacted like he has recently. That’s equivalent to the simple case of booing a player, just because.

It’s not just that in this case, as far as I’m aware. There’s a further context on the additional words allegedly used which people are leaving out. (Notice how no one involved incl Bevo have come out and said “Dale said this exactly”)
Cultural references that have been used for many a year against indigenous players and body shapes, that was common media fodder as little as 15-20 years ago.
Some people are only just learning about this other end of the spectrum now.

 

[TiAn_]

I’m sure by AFL player standards, he’s been called fat a thousand times by opponents and fans and he wouldn’t have cared and certainly not reacted like he has recently. That’s equivalent to the simple case of booing a player, just because.

It’s not just that in this case, as far as I’m aware. There’s a further context on the additional words allegedly used which people are leaving out. (Notice how no one involved incl Bevo have come out and said “Dale said this exactly”)
Cultural references that have been used for many a year against indigenous players and body shapes, that was common media fodder as little as 15-20 years ago.
Some people are only just learning about this other end of the spectrum now.

Let’s not forget it was an indigenous player that was close enough with Rioli to text one another that called out Rioli’s behaviour.

This sort of unfounded speculating from Port nuffs based on comments made by and about another player and his weight issues 20 years ago is exactly what Koch was hoping to stoke with his vague and performative BS radio waffling. Don’t address it in any of the formal club statements, but do some face-saving jangling of the keys in front of their nuffs after the fact and hope the take away isn’t their club’s leadership mishandling yet another situation.

 

[SC_Power]

Let’s not forget it was an indigenous player that was close enough with Rioli to text one another that called out Rioli’s behaviour.

This sort of unfounded speculating from Port nuffs based on comments made by and about another player and his weight issues 20 years ago is exactly what Koch was hoping to stoke with his vague and performative BS radio waffling. Don’t address it in any of the formal club statements, but do some face-saving jangling of the keys in front of their nuffs after the fact and hope the take away isn’t their club’s leadership mishandling yet another situation.

Except for the formal club statement direct to the AFL a number of weeks ago on this very issue.

But yeah, sure.

 

[TiAn_]

Except for the formal club statement direct to the AFL a number of weeks ago on this very issue.

But yeah, sure.

And what did this mythical statement about the comments made by opposing players to Rioli specifically say about this incident?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Except for the formal club statement direct to the AFL a number of weeks ago on this very issue.

But yeah, sure.

Acknowledging that is not condicive to the continual pile on though.

 

[SC_Power]

And what did this mythical statement about the comments made by opposing players to Rioli specifically say about this incident?

To clarify, it is a real statement and it was before this Rioli/Dale incident. Hence it doesn’t reference it, but is relevant to the ongoing club comments. Certainly not a on-the-spot response.

 

[Leeda]

Did Hawthorn get what it deserves?

Did anything come out of that so called investigation?

Just read again the statement from I m the Hawks. They basically didn't agree and settled out of court. Apology was not unconditional and worded by a lawyer. A sorry you felt that way apology.....which really isn't an apology.

Just another dirty "lump under the AFL's very lumpy carpet".

Self wrangling head....

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Self wrangling head....

Glad you quoted that Leeda as basically thats where recent comments have landed.
Dale didnt say anything they consider 'racist'

Which basically means if what he did say was offensive to Willie then thats unfortunate.

 

[Leeda]

Glad you quoted that Leeda as basically thats where recent comments have landed.
Dale didnt say anything they consider 'racist'

Which basically means if what he did say was offensive to Willie then thats unfortunate.

There is too much minutiae in all this ...

 

[PenfoldsFan]

There is too much minutiae in all this ...

Guilty, but not THAT guilty