Strategy Changes: Round 16 Fremantle vs. St Kilda

[Perfect Purple]

Nat would do that in a heartbeat.

 

[Wizard]

Nat would do that in a heartbeat.

They killed us at the stoppages last time, if he’s fit he’s a must in the first 22 and the first centre bounce.

 

[stax on the mull]

Pic 9 in the training photos today has a big screen outside with the players watching some behind the goals vision.

 

[Deveraux]

Pic 9 in the training photos today has a big screen outside with the players watching some behind the goals vision.

For some reason I can't see those photos in the app or in my phone browser... annoying

 

[stax on the mull]

For some reason I can't see those photos in the app or in my phone browser... annoying

Go to the "photos" link on the website under "latest" on the website. The link on the main page doesn't actually show any other photos, but the link under LATEST-PHOTOS gets you there.

This is the pic No 9 that I was referring to:

https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/albums/1812906/53-photos-afl-main-training-24-june?modal=true&type=gallery&playlistId=1812906&playlistSize=53

 

[anchor man]

For some reason I can't see those photos in the app or in my phone browser... annoying

It would let me see the pics on their web site either.

 

[Deveraux]

Go to the "photos" link on the website under "latest" on the website. The link on the main page doesn't actually show any other photos, but the link under LATEST-PHOTOS gets you there.

This is the pic No 9 that I was referring to:

https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/albums/1812906/53-photos-afl-main-training-24-june?modal=true&type=gallery&playlistId=1812906&playlistSize=53

Thankyou my friend

 

[Deveraux]

Yeah the little photos button at the top of the app got me there too

 

[Purple Jesus]

Pic 9 in the training photos today has a big screen outside with the players watching some behind the goals vision.

Down the bottom it says "#1 Tackling"

 

[McRobie]

Some of us agree with you... Jackson is in career best form and is better as a solo ruck, but the club has invested in so much money to make the two ruck strategy work that not doing it is admitting defeat.

Big decision to be made at the end of the season, maybe if Darcy gets a few more games into him his trade value goes up a bit?

Yeah it’s an interesting one. I feel like having a mobile ruck like Jackson is so advantageous these days, is playing Darcy negating that advantage when he plays for the sake of a few more hitouts?
Or are those hitouts invaluable to getting the result at the end of the game?
Or maybe that’s much of a simplistic view for me.

 

[what a game]

Some of us agree with you... Jackson is in career best form and is better as a solo ruck, but the club has invested in so much money to make the two ruck strategy work that not doing it is admitting defeat.

Big decision to be made at the end of the season, maybe if Darcy gets a few more games into him his trade value goes up a bit?

I get it for the last 6 weeks you’ve made it plainly obvious you don’t like Sean Darcy. But if you bothered to watch the first quarter and a half of Jackson rucking against Xerri on his own or maybe the week before Jackson against Witt’s. Maybe you could imagine those games without Darcy helping to wear them down so as a duo they could succeed for the benefit of the team. Let’s not get into the fact the last 3.5 games last year Jackson couldn’t do it on his own
People keep trying to pick holes in one or the other. Why not celebrate the fact that we have both and good luck to other teams how you deal with both.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Yeah it’s an interesting one. I feel like having a mobile ruck like Jackson is so advantageous these days, is playing Darcy negating that advantage when he plays for the sake of a few more hitouts?
Or are those hitouts invaluable to getting the result at the end of the game?
Or maybe that’s much of a simplistic view for me.

Fwiw, JL said today that basically if Darcy is fit, he'll play this week.

Putting all the political answers aside, especially if/when Darcy kicks it up a notch, there's probably 3 main questions that come to consideration in the selection call:

• Do you trust Jackson against the best/the biggest rucks in individual games?
• Do you trust Jackson's body to hold up in long stretches of games, especially against the best/biggest rucks?
• Does this Jackson mid-ruck role work?

If we reach finals, the do-or-die game/s should answer whether we actually think Darcy's best 22 or whether he's just a battering ram to absorb the big hits, and whether we sit Darcy when tomorrow doesn't matter.

 

[McRobie]

Fwiw, JL said today that basically if Darcy is fit, he'll play this week.

Putting all the political answers aside, especially if/when Darcy kicks it up a notch, there's probably 3 main questions that come to consideration in the selection call:

• Do you trust Jackson against the best/the biggest rucks in individual games?
• Do you trust Jackson's body to hold up in long stretches of games, especially against the best/biggest rucks?
• Does this Jackson mid-ruck role work?

If we reach finals, the do-or-die game/s should answer whether we actually think Darcy's best 22 or whether he's just a battering ram to absorb the big hits, and whether we sit Darcy when tomorrow doesn't matter.

Great summation.

 

[bushchook]

It's really not an issue playing both. Jackson has shown that he's a good an inside mid as anyone. He's right up there with our full time mids for first touch on the ball. He's one of the best players in the comp at ground ball gets. You can play Darcy and Jackson in the same centre bounce.

 

[CakeEater]

Please no JOM.

its Neils time to shine

 

[swanny1234]

I get it for the last 6 weeks you’ve made it plainly obvious you don’t like Sean Darcy. But if you bothered to watch the first quarter and a half of Jackson rucking against Xerri on his own or maybe the week before Jackson against Witt’s. Maybe you could imagine those games without Darcy helping to wear them down so as a duo they could succeed for the benefit of the team. Let’s not get into the fact the last 3.5 games last year Jackson couldn’t do it on his own
People keep trying to pick holes in one or the other. Why not celebrate the fact that we have both and good luck to other teams how you deal with both.

I like Sean Darcy, I just like Jackson more and think he will be an incredible number 1 ruckman for a very long time.

 

[swanny1234]

Yeah it’s an interesting one. I feel like having a mobile ruck like Jackson is so advantageous these days, is playing Darcy negating that advantage when he plays for the sake of a few more hitouts?
Or are those hitouts invaluable to getting the result at the end of the game?
Or maybe that’s much of a simplistic view for me.

The point people make the Darcy is better against the big brutes is sound, but these days that is literally only Xerri, Gawn, Witts and maybe Marshall? He's just as big as anyone else really and can hold his own, as well as dominate them around the ball.
Is it worth paying 700k a year to come in to protect Jackson in the 4 games a season he's not as big as the opposition ruck? I think Darcy is a good ruckman, but having 1,7million a year tied up in Rucks isn't ideal, so if a good deal came in for Darcy, the club would be derilect in their duty not to at least consider it.

Remember Serong goes out of contract again in a couple of years - his next deal probably needs to be near 1.5 million a season tbh.. you can't keep them all, and Darcy feels more expendable than Jackson or Serong that's for sure.

I think Jackson can be the best ruckman in the entire comp - once Max retires it's Jackson and TDK

 

[mattis117]

The point people make the Darcy is better against the big brutes is sound, but these days that is literally only Xerri, Gawn, Witts and maybe Marshall? He's just as big as anyone else really and can hold his own, as well as dominate them around the ball.
Is it worth paying 700k a year to come in to protect Jackson in the 4 games a season he's not as big as the opposition ruck? I think Darcy is a good ruckman, but having 1,7million a year tied up in Rucks isn't ideal, so if a good deal came in for Darcy, the club would be derilect in their duty not to at least consider it.

Remember Serong goes out of contract again in a couple of years - his next deal probably needs to be near 1.5 million a season tbh.. you can't keep them all, and Darcy feels more expendable than Jackson or Serong that's for sure.

I think Jackson can be the best ruckman in the entire comp - once Max retires it's Jackson and TDK

I think it's more valuable to say which finals contenders would Darcy play against?

Collingwood: Yes
Geelong: Perhaps not.
Brisbane: Depends who they are selecting.
GWS: Yes.
Gold Coast: Definitely, yes.
Hawks: Yes
Dogs: Leaning towards yes
Crows: Yes.

 

[JammoMonty]

Would love to see this forwardline

Walter. Treacy. Dudley

Bolton. Amiss. Frederick

I’m just glad you’re not on the selection committee

 

[jusjoshin]

I think it's more valuable to say which finals contenders would Darcy play against?

Collingwood: Yes
Geelong: Perhaps not.
Brisbane: Depends who they are selecting.
GWS: Yes.
Gold Coast: Definitely, yes.
Hawks: Yes
Dogs: Leaning towards yes
Crows: Yes.

And we would want Darcy this week against Marshall. Jackson is a great tap ruckman, but he doesn't have the body size (and couldn't play the way he does if he put on the size).

Horses for course. Having the most mobile ruckman, along with one of the stronger rucks (when fit) is a luxury.

We'd also need to see how Darcy's contract was structured. He might have been heavily front-ended, and may not be costing us much.

 

[swanny1234]

I think it's more valuable to say which finals contenders would Darcy play against?

Collingwood: Yes
Geelong: Perhaps not.
Brisbane: Depends who they are selecting.
GWS: Yes.
Gold Coast: Definitely, yes.
Hawks: Yes
Dogs: Leaning towards yes
Crows: Yes.

For mine
Collingwood - 50/50 - I think Jackson and Cameron is a toss up.
Geelong - No
Brisbane - No
GWS - No, Jackson pantsed Briggs
Gold Coast - Yes
Hawks - Yes, Meek is a big boy.
Dogs - No, English would run Darcy off his feet.
Crows - No. Omac was our second ruck that day and had a day out.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

For mine
Collingwood - 50/50 - I think Jackson and Cameron is a toss up.
Geelong - No
Brisbane - No
GWS - No, Jackson pantsed Briggs
Gold Coast - Yes
Hawks - Yes, Meek is a big boy.
Dogs - No, English would run Darcy off his feet.
Crows - No. Omac was our second ruck that day and had a day out.

Yeah, I dont know why Briggs keeps getting brought up. Jackson has another preseason under his belt and is now so good, the big rucks needs to actually be decent players to worry about any impact from Jackson going against them. I'd like to see him against Meek solo as well if I could. Meek is borderline on the "not good enough to worry about" front. I'd lean towards both for Dogs though - because of Sam Darcy

We can play Jackson/Darcy together every game if Jackson the mid works. The single most important thing that will decide if they want to keep going with it IMO is how badly do we get killed on transition with them both on the field at once? If they can make that work, the combo can work

 

[go_the_dockers]

Yeah, I dont know why Briggs keeps getting brought up. Jackson has another preseason under his belt and is now so good, the big rucks needs to actually be decent players to worry about any impact from Jackson going against them. I'd like to see him against Meek solo as well if I could. Meek is borderline on the "not good enough to worry about" front. I'd lean towards both for Dogs though - because of Sam Darcy

We can play Jackson/Darcy together every game if Jackson the mid works. The single most important thing that will decide if they want to keep going with it IMO is how badly do we get killed on transition with them both on the field at once? If they can make that work, the combo can work

What are the ruck rules at the moment.

If he runs up and jumps at the opposition ruck, and they just put their hand up, push him away from the drop of the ball and then tap it away is that in the rules?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

What are the ruck rules at the moment.

If he runs up and jumps at the opposition ruck, and they just put their hand up, push him away from the drop of the ball and then tap it away is that in the rules?

Yes, I believe so

 

[s_wd6]

Yeah, I dont know why Briggs keeps getting brought up. Jackson has another preseason under his belt and is now so good, the big rucks needs to actually be decent players to worry about any impact from Jackson going against them. I'd like to see him against Meek solo as well if I could. Meek is borderline on the "not good enough to worry about" front. I'd lean towards both for Dogs though - because of Sam Darcy

We can play Jackson/Darcy together every game if Jackson the mid works. The single most important thing that will decide if they want to keep going with it IMO is how badly do we get killed on transition with them both on the field at once? If they can make that work, the combo can work

I remember before the Hawks game last year predicting that Jackson was going to get absolutely pantsed by Meek and he really did. You’d need a LOT to have changed from last year before Meek falls into the “don’t worry about him” category. If he’s fit Darcy still plays that game.