Under 23s trial game between Port & Crows

[Doctor Feel]

At the moment I’ve got Clurey, Jonas, Howard, Houston, Byrne-Jones, Hartlett, Burton and Bonner with Broadbent and Lienert missing. Bonner just makes it for me because he is more versatile and can cope better playing on a wing.

DBJ and Clurey under immense pressure I would suggest. Lienert will play, I'm absolutely sure.

 

[Doctor Feel]

If Bailey’s the guy who kinda resembled Gimli last year and always ran the warm up at SANFL games, I reckon he’d be more likely to be working with Mahney.

Yeah, I went to school with Josh (in the same year level) and have noticed him in a few photos around the place in the past year. He’s an interesting character but was very into his fitness/bodybuilding/CrossFit from about year 11 onwards. What’s his specific role at the club, do you know?

He's working with the rehab team. Loves checking himself in the mirror lmao. Spent alot of time with Rocky and Hammer. I believe he's doing or has done his thesis while working with the club. He spent some time at Westies I think as their S&C.

 

[ozph1870]

I haven't watched any preseason training and didn't see the intraclub game last week, so I can only base my opinion on late season performances and competition for spots.

I thought he was good but not great in the games he played after his debut match (which was a particularly strong performance). In the games against Collingwood and Essendon where the whole team sucked, he was fair to good. He handled some pressure balls like a hot potato, but was not as bad in that regard as Pittard and was better defensively than Hombsch - both of those guys are gone now.

I happen to rate Clurey, and think he remains a lock in our side based on a strong 2018.

I therefore have Jonas, Howard and Clurey as our three taller defenders.
DBJ is our lock-down small defender.
We then have several options for the HB flanker/intercept mark roles: Hartlett, Houston, Burton, Lienert, Bonner, Broadbnt.
I've listed them in that order because that's how I rate them at this stage.
I would pick Hartlett, Houston and Burton ahead of Lienert as of now. Burton's form yesterday was a little shaky IMO, but we're hardly not going to select him for the round 1 game.

So it leaves us with a decision of how many of these options we pick.

Again that's my rating of them. Others clearly think Lienert is ahead of Clurey. I don't see it that way, yet. Maybe I will after 2 JLT games.

I feel lienert and clurey are both in the team. I also feel with the new kickout rules lienert will be a highly valuable member of the team.. He has the most accurate longest leg and will be a weapon this season.
Burton should be in the middle / wing I feel too. I don't want to see him in the scrubber half back role..

 

[Macca19]

Amon is the sleeper this year. There is a spot in the side if he wants it and is good enough

 

[Doctor Feel]

Lienert has absolutely beasted the pre-season. He's ****ing ready. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes elite.

Clurey I don't feel like has ever absolutely cemented his spot. DBJ was on the edge last year and would have been pushed out more readily if we had options.

The backline is a really interesting proposition moving into this season.

No way any of Burton, Broadbent and Hammer miss.

That leaves Clurey and DBJ so vulnerable that I doubt they get a look in. Up to them to dislodge others or reinvent themselves. DBJs ability to go midfield is his saving grace potentially.

I can't see them holding their place. It depends on where the club rate Houston. ****ing highly I hope.

 

[yepits2020]

Burton is coming across as a spare wheel. It explains us using him forward, mid and back. Who are selected for the back seven will be interesting. We could quite legitimately pick eight players plus Burton.

 

[jac147]

Went to the Port web site and found that Wayne is Adams dad.
Now, taking my memory back to when Wayne played for the Maggie’s, I can remember him as an fairly aggressive player who had some visits to the tribunal
Also, I think somewhere along the line, the Mahney’s are related to the Hoffman’s. “Brick” Hoffman was a player and coach at Port Adelaide. I remember my Dad telling me that “Brick” played more games with the 2nd eighteens than he did with the 1st’s
Just a piece of Port memorabilia I found at a trash & treasure. Port that year had a tea spoon fundraiser! Only need 20 plus more to make up the full set!

 

[Smithy7]

Amon is the sleeper this year. There is a spot in the side if he wants it and is good enough

Thought he played well after that out of bounds on the full .. some of his passing was superb.
Burton kicked two out on the full and the one he kicked to Marshall missed him by 5-10 metres.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I take it that Wayne Mahoney is the father of Adam. Is that correct? Sorry if it has been answered before

No, Wayne Mahney is his dad . Graham Mahney who played in the 1959 premiership is his granddad.

Wayne is coaching at Rosewater and Adam will drop back there if AFL listed players fill the Magpies.

Interesting to hear Adam is an angry player like his old man. Wayne was fiery and a perpetual pest. Still remember him squirting his drink bottle in an opponent's face to start a blue.

Nature vs nurture

 

[PJ Power]

Burton is coming across as a spare wheel. It explains us using him forward, mid and back. Who are selected for the back seven will be interesting. We could quite legitimately pick eight players plus Burton.

I agree, but fear that if we don't settle Burton down on the HB line early, then he will struggle to adapt to our side and will be a bit player much as Hartlett was in the early part of his career.

We've got a few in that category who could easily be tried on a wing (Bonner, Lienert, Hartlett, Burton, Broadbent) or HFF (Lienert, Burton, Houston) as well as across HB.

They're all AFL quality (Bonner too!). We need at least a couple of them to be able to adapt to the wing or HF line to enable us to get the most out of them.


Regarding DBJ's role, I thought he was good through most of last year. Agree with Montgomery's assessment that he's consistently good to very good, rather than elite. Other than Garner and Fredericks, I don't see anyone else on our list competing with him for that tighter-checking small defender role.

What DBJ needs to do in 2019 is to start taking "bigger" scalps by more emphatically blanketing the best small forwards in the league. He hasn't nailed this yet. He could start by blanketing Betts in the showdowns this year, without us needing to move Jonas onto him at quarter time.

 

[PJ Power]

DBJ and Clurey under immense pressure I would suggest. Lienert will play, I'm absolutely sure.

What do you think will set Lienert apart? His kicking, or is there going to be more to him than that?

 

[Doctor Feel]

What do you think will set Lienert apart? His kicking, or is there going to be more to him than that?

He's super strong and will be able to defend strongly. So he's got both the defensive and offensive side of his game pretty set. Just a more complete player than Clurey for example.

 

[Byrons Firen]

If Bailey’s the guy who kinda resembled Gimli last year and always ran the warm up at SANFL games, I reckon he’d be more likely to be working with Mahney.

Yeah, I went to school with Josh (in the same year level) and have noticed him in a few photos around the place in the past year. He’s an interesting character but was very into his fitness/bodybuilding/CrossFit from about year 11 onwards. What’s his specific role at the club, do you know?

...... an ambassador of what we once were before the blow in's and hipsters arrived?
A throw back to days gone by. Born and raised local he wouldn't be outta place
amongst the checked shirt tattoo'ed bull terrier brigade decked out in ripples drainpipes and with an attitude to match.
Might even be prone to dropping his aitches. Ya wont find him on the catwalk but you'd want him with you in the trenches.

*disclaimer
have never met him this drivel ^ is based on nothing more than his looks and pedigree.

 

[rogerjames]

I agree, but fear that if we don't settle Burton down on the HB line early, then he will struggle to adapt to our side and will be a bit player much as Hartlett was in the early part of his career.

We've got a few in that category who could easily be tried on a wing (Bonner, Lienert, Hartlett, Burton, Broadbent) or HFF (Lienert, Burton, Houston) as well as across HB.

They're all AFL quality (Bonner too!). We need at least a couple of them to be able to adapt to the wing or HF line to enable us to get the most out of them.


Regarding DBJ's role, I thought he was good through most of last year. Agree with Montgomery's assessment that he's consistently good to very good, rather than elite. Other than Garner and Fredericks, I don't see anyone else on our list competing with him for that tighter-checking small defender role.

What DBJ needs to do in 2019 is to start taking "bigger" scalps by more emphatically blanketing the best small forwards in the league. He hasn't nailed this yet. He could start by blanketing Betts in the showdowns this year, without us needing to move Jonas onto him at quarter time.

Agree, we have been crying out for an elite small defender, its time DBJ became that. Has stagnated imo.

 

[rogerjames]

He's super strong and will be able to defend strongly. So he's got both the defensive and offensive side of his game pretty set. Just a more complete player than Clurey for example.

He's also brave in theway he plays. Not risky but brave.

 

[JUSTWORK]

I think that’s still debatable.

It really isn't.

It certainly is, not through talent. He is definitely good enough but he has a lot of competition.

Houston, Hartlett, Burton and Bonner is fair amount of competition across the half back line.

Some people have made comparisons with Clurey which is interesting as I see Lienert as a tall flanker not KPD. Maybe it comes down to match ups, where there are 3 KPfs (inc maybe a resting ruck) maybe go Clurey but where there are two maybe Lienert.

Some mentioned maybe we’d have 8 defenders plus Burton. If we see Lienert as a guy we will use on a wing a fair bit (I’d look to have Bonner on a wing also) and maybe using Hartlett through the middle then maybe that opens up a spot.

 

[PatientMental]

Agree, we have been crying out for an elite small defender, its time DBJ became that. Has stagnated imo.

Will probably never be elite, and his coaches know he's pretty much already playing as best as he ever will.

 

[PJ Power]

Agree, we have been crying out for an elite small defender, its time DBJ became that. Has stagnated imo.

Remember the early 2000’s: Wanganeen, Wilson, Shaun Burgoyne. All elite shutdown defenders, two of them were fantastic forwards as well, the other a more than handy mid early in his AFL career. We then had the versatility of Kingsley and Monty, and Poulton as depth. That was an elite list.

 

[yepits2020]

I agree, but fear that if we don't settle Burton down on the HB line early, then he will struggle to adapt to our side and will be a bit player much as Hartlett was in the early part of his career.

We've got a few in that category who could easily be tried on a wing (Bonner, Lienert, Hartlett, Burton, Broadbent) or HFF (Lienert, Burton, Houston) as well as across HB.

They're all AFL quality (Bonner too!). We need at least a couple of them to be able to adapt to the wing or HF line to enable us to get the most out of them.


Regarding DBJ's role, I thought he was good through most of last year. Agree with Montgomery's assessment that he's consistently good to very good, rather than elite. Other than Garner and Fredericks, I don't see anyone else on our list competing with him for that tighter-checking small defender role.

What DBJ needs to do in 2019 is to start taking "bigger" scalps by more emphatically blanketing the best small forwards in the league. He hasn't nailed this yet. He could start by blanketing Betts in the showdowns this year, without us needing to move Jonas onto him at quarter time.

Good summary and about covers it.

 

[Ports1870]

He's super strong and will be able to defend strongly. So he's got both the defensive and offensive side of his game pretty set. Just a more complete player than Clurey for example.

At the intra-club Clurey did look very shaky, very clumsy and dropping easy marks.

 

[yepits2020]

Will probably never be elite, and his coaches know he's pretty much already playing as best as he ever will.

My casual observation is that he has been steadily improving since his debut in 2016. For some reason he impressed me more in 2017 than 2018. In 2018 I think he was doing a lot more rebounding work and that could be what we have been skilling him up for. I think he will continue to steadily improve.

 

[Us against the rest]

Thought he played well after that out of bounds on the full .. some of his passing was superb.
Burton kicked two out on the full and the one he kicked to Marshall missed him by 5-10 metres.

 

[Us against the rest]

Thought he played well after that out of bounds on the full .. some of his passing was superb.
Burton kicked two out on the full and the one he kicked to Marshall missed him by 5-10 metres.

This is how I remember mahney. The beginning of the video is terrible clears up though.

 

[OneGreatClub]

No

Burton is coming across as a spare wheel. It explains us using him forward, mid and back. Who are selected for the back seven will be interesting. We could quite legitimately pick eight players plus Burton.

Not surprised as he wasn’t in our recruiting planning as far as I know, so he’s just a bonus, hope we get the best out of him. I want the Wingard trade to be a massive win.

 

[TeeKray]

It depends on where the club rate Houston. ******* highly I hope.

Second only to Westhoff in the B&F voting from R12 onward. I think they rate him highly.