Analysis GBU vs Goldies

[Bazz_27]

I'm going to leave this here. Considering the amount of possessions that rob has that are contested he has very high de every week. Went at 100 this week with 13 contested possessions

 

[hey shorty]

Abs

Absolutely meant nothing to our abilities v decent teams. Hopefully we got something out of it though. Maybe a little bit of confidence to take the game on and some individuals gaining confidence.
Also seeing Himmelburg get another game and Rob building each game.

It meant a whole lot in that regard. It was very pleasing to see Pyke bolt down to the bench and take control.

 

[Crom]

What do people think of Lukosius?

Smooth mover, excellent skills. Quite agile.

Don't think he'll be taking many contested marks in the near future.

Should GC get him in the weights room so he can compete better - like we did with Tex? Or should they develop him as that roaming half forward who covers the ground and is too agile for opponents his height? Asking for a friend.

Was at the game, keeping a close eye on Lukosius. Was keen to see what we'd be getting in 18 months time.
Very quick and agile. Started on the wing for several centre bounces. Very much in the Nick Reiwoldt mold..

 

[Pea Nut]

I don't know why people thought Murphy was so great. I didn't think he was good watching it live, and after watching the replay am still of that opinion. Did people just see 3 goals on the stat sheet and remember the mark going back with the flight and assume he was good ?? His 3 goals consisted of a regulation set shot from 35 which came from Tex's quick snap in to an open forward 50 which landed on his chest, him wandering aimlessly in to a vacant goal square and soccering through a ball that landed at his feet, and a shot from 45 which came about from an awful turnover from the Suns which left all the Suns players going the wrong way and so far out of position and even then when the ball landed on his chest he was indecisive about what to do with it. His hands and ball handling skills are not even close to AFL standard, his positioning when long high balls come in to the forward 50 is just wrong, his decision making is poor, and he leads and gets in the way of the players who should be leading at the footy. If he is leading he should be creating space for others, not getting in the way. And falling back on his tackling pressure doesn't cut it, compare the tackles he stuck to the tackles he missed. I'm disappointed if we don't think we currently have a better option. In my opinion he's not up to it.
I thought Himmelberg was very good, undersold by many on here, his hard running, contested work in the air and on the ground and his decision making with ball in hand was very good. Those couple of balls that he had in the middle of the ground, once quickly wheeling and going in to the forward 50, another time opening up the play with a handball, when has Jenkins done anything like that ever ?? Has to stay in the side for an extended period. Also people saying Knight is no good are ignoring his inside work in the forward half of the ground. Did some very good things. Overall our balance looked better but still a lot of room for improvement, and we will need it next week. I thought the ball was in the hands of Kelly, Talia and Hartigan way too often again when we were trying to move the ball forward. Real loss to now lose Milera for an extended period.
Lastly, Smith fantastic and Eddie Betts you are a GOD !!!

 

[1970crow]

I'm going to leave this here. Considering the amount of possessions that rob has that are contested he has very high de every week. Went at 100 this week with 13 contested possessions

He’s definitely more value to the side than Sauce has been over the last season and a bit. We know that he’ll be dropped as soon as Sauce puts up his hand but I’m hoping that we at least make sure that Sauce is 100% right to go. Was it mentioned somewhere that Sauce has been carrying a problematic knee for over a season on top of his back issue last year?

 

[Pea Nut]

What do people think of Lukosius?

Smooth mover, excellent skills. Quite agile.

Don't think he'll be taking many contested marks in the near future.

Should GC get him in the weights room so he can compete better - like we did with Tex? Or should they develop him as that roaming half forward who covers the ground and is too agile for opponents his height? Asking for a friend.

Pure, pure class. Play him as a winger or outside mid, with a view of eventually turning him in to a Bontempelli type tall mid who can go forward. The game slows down for him.

 

[Southerntakeover]

For me and the people around us it seemed unnecessary, Eddie had just been carried off the ground and then had to turn around and walk back out on the ground for the interview.

Eddie does plenty of interviews and it just seemed to draw the whole thing out. They could of done the presentation at the after match or done it while the other players were handing out footballs. It all just became a bit awkward in my opinion.

It was an embarrassing and unnecessary insertion of himself into the situation. Felt like the club wanted to bring some of the good will back to itself, so it hijacked the moment. That he insisted on doing the same thing for Brodie Smith's 150 games was embarrassing- that's not a major milestone at all.

It would have helped if he had gotten the details right (best trade evaaaaaaa!!!!!!), but it wouldnt have helped that much. The last thing I wanted to see after a rare home win was a reminder of our club's putrid culture.

 

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I have heard he is keen to take over running our Aboriginal programs.

A bit like Paul Vandenberg for Port.

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It must only be a small part time role because he's mentioned a few times that he'll be moving back to Melbourne once he retires.

 

[Elite Crow]

It was an embarrassing and unnecessary insertion of himself into the situation. Felt like the club wanted to bring some of the good will back to itself, so it hijacked the moment. That he insisted on doing the same thing for Brodie Smith's 150 games was embarrassing- that's not a major milestone at all.

It would have helped if he had gotten the details right (best trade evaaaaaaa!!!!!!), but it wouldnt have helped that much. The last thing I wanted to see after a rare home win was a reminder of our club's putrid culture.

Yep, since when is 150 games worthy of a presentation?

Chapman is cringeworthy and that was embarrassing

 

[ftmch]

I don't know why people thought Murphy was so great. I didn't think he was good watching it live, and after watching the replay am still of that opinion. Did people just see 3 goals on the stat sheet and remember the mark going back with the flight and assume he was good ?? His 3 goals consisted of a regulation set shot from 35 which came from Tex's quick snap in to an open forward 50 which landed on his chest, him wandering aimlessly in to a vacant goal square and soccering through a ball that landed at his feet, and a shot from 45 which came about from an awful turnover from the Suns which left all the Suns players going the wrong way and so far out of position and even then when the ball landed on his chest he was indecisive about what to do with it. His hands and ball handling skills are not even close to AFL standard, his positioning when long high balls come in to the forward 50 is just wrong, his decision making is poor, and he leads and gets in the way of the players who should be leading at the footy. If he is leading he should be creating space for others, not getting in the way. And falling back on his tackling pressure doesn't cut it, compare the tackles he stuck to the tackles he missed. I'm disappointed if we don't think we currently have a better option. In my opinion he's not up to it.
I thought Himmelberg was very good, undersold by many on here, his hard running, contested work in the air and on the ground and his decision making with ball in hand was very good. Those couple of balls that he had in the middle of the ground, once quickly wheeling and going in to the forward 50, another time opening up the play with a handball, when has Jenkins done anything like that ever ?? Has to stay in the side for an extended period. Also people saying Knight is no good are ignoring his inside work in the forward half of the ground. Did some very good things. Overall our balance looked better but still a lot of room for improvement, and we will need it next week. I thought the ball was in the hands of Kelly, Talia and Hartigan way too often again when we were trying to move the ball forward. Real loss to now lose Milera for an extended period.
Lastly, Smith fantastic and Eddie Betts you are a GOD !!!

Agree with all of that

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[jenny61_99]

I don't know why people thought Murphy was so great. I didn't think he was good watching it live, and after watching the replay am still of that opinion. Did people just see 3 goals on the stat sheet and remember the mark going back with the flight and assume he was good ?? His 3 goals consisted of a regulation set shot from 35 which came from Tex's quick snap in to an open forward 50 which landed on his chest, him wandering aimlessly in to a vacant goal square and soccering through a ball that landed at his feet, and a shot from 45 which came about from an awful turnover from the Suns which left all the Suns players going the wrong way and so far out of position and even then when the ball landed on his chest he was indecisive about what to do with it. His hands and ball handling skills are not even close to AFL standard, his positioning when long high balls come in to the forward 50 is just wrong, his decision making is poor, and he leads and gets in the way of the players who should be leading at the footy. If he is leading he should be creating space for others, not getting in the way. And falling back on his tackling pressure doesn't cut it, compare the tackles he stuck to the tackles he missed. I'm disappointed if we don't think we currently have a better option. In my opinion he's not up to it.
I thought Himmelberg was very good, undersold by many on here, his hard running, contested work in the air and on the ground and his decision making with ball in hand was very good. Those couple of balls that he had in the middle of the ground, once quickly wheeling and going in to the forward 50, another time opening up the play with a handball, when has Jenkins done anything like that ever ?? Has to stay in the side for an extended period. Also people saying Knight is no good are ignoring his inside work in the forward half of the ground. Did some very good things. Overall our balance looked better but still a lot of room for improvement, and we will need it next week. I thought the ball was in the hands of Kelly, Talia and Hartigan way too often again when we were trying to move the ball forward. Real loss to now lose Milera for an extended period.
Lastly, Smith fantastic and Eddie Betts you are a GOD !!!

Murphy was a very real reason we turned the game around. His desperation was outstanding. He is a courageous player and gives 100% of himself. You could not question that last night. He had an awesome game compared to last week.

 

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My negative from the game is going to be a very unpopular one.

While it was great to get the win, the Suns were abysmal and the win was only wallpaper over the cracks.

The flow on from the game will be that the 2 to 3 players who arguably shouldn't be in our best 22 had a performance yesterday that will most probably justify their continued selection for the next 4-5 weeks.

 

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It was an embarrassing and unnecessary insertion of himself into the situation. Felt like the club wanted to bring some of the good will back to itself, so it hijacked the moment. That he insisted on doing the same thing for Brodie Smith's 150 games was embarrassing- that's not a major milestone at all.

It would have helped if he had gotten the details right (best trade evaaaaaaa!!!!!!), but it wouldnt have helped that much. The last thing I wanted to see after a rare home win was a reminder of our club's putrid culture.

I actually yelled out

"He was a free agent, MORON!!!!"

My comment didn't go down well with the blue rinse brigade as I got a few dirty looks, but Chapman looked like a fool saying that.

I assumed that Brodie's was a token gesture because they did something for Betts and wanted to avoid receiving criticism for not acknowledging Brodie Smith after the game.

 

[Elite Crow]

ROB seemed more assured yesterday, Jacobs surgery has most probably taken away the weekly focus of Jacobs replacing him as soon as was fit enough.

He knows he’s got at least another 4-6 weeks to establish himself.

 

[Redline]

Yep, since when is 150 games worthy of a presentation?

Chapman is cringeworthy and that was embarrassing

100% agree, Chapman and the marketing department tried to take advantage of the moment for their own purposes. The special moment was Eddie being carried off. Everyone knew Gold Coast would be waiting so if they felt the need for Chapman to speak then they should of done things in a different order and handed footy's out later.

Would we have done it if we lost? I'd say no.

It is just another small example where our club just reads situations and football moments really wrong.

 

[Pea Nut]

Murphy was a very real reason we turned the game around. His desperation was outstanding. He is a courageous player and gives 100% of himself. You could not question that last night. He had an awesome game compared to last week.

No he wasn't, and no he didn't. I even explained why. All you said was that he was "awesome". You can't justify that. He might be courageous and gives 100%, but you need a whole lot more than that at AFL level, especially as a small forward. The Suns and Carlton have a bunch of triers. We have the likes of Ned McHenry in the two's.

 

[Murray2503]

What did Chapman do after the game?

Did he resign? Hope he finally did the right thing. Thankyou ROB for for your great stewardship of our club If you did step down. It was a great ride. Not.

 

[GreyCrow]

It was an embarrassing and unnecessary insertion of himself into the situation. Felt like the club wanted to bring some of the good will back to itself, so it hijacked the moment. That he insisted on doing the same thing for Brodie Smith's 150 games was embarrassing- that's not a major milestone at all.

It would have helped if he had gotten the details right (best trade evaaaaaaa!!!!!!), but it wouldnt have helped that much. The last thing I wanted to see after a rare home win was a reminder of our club's putrid culture.

I was in the stand and I saw him walk over and I thought no please dont. I think this is the 1st time I have seen Chapman on the ground since the Geelong PF.

I wonder what the situation would have been if we had lost? It just smelt of Mike Rann Good News hijacking

 

[Geoffa32]

100% agree, Chapman and the marketing department tried to take advantage of the moment for their own purposes. The special moment was Eddie being carried off. Everyone knew Gold Coast would be waiting so if they felt the need for Chapman to speak then they should of done things in a different order and handed footy's out later.

Would we have done it if we lost? I'd say no.

It is just another small example where our club just reads situations and football moments really wrong.

Chairing Eddie off was all that was needed. Thst part was done well.with the lighting and music.

The presentation was weird.

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[GreyCrow]

Murphy was a very real reason we turned the game around. His desperation was outstanding. He is a courageous player and gives 100% of himself. You could not question that last night. He had an awesome game compared to last week.

And all this is true. But its also true that if Murphy was dropped nobody would have spoken against it

He took his chance and he ran with it. Can he continue

 

[GreyCrow]

I don't know why people thought Murphy was so great. I didn't think he was good watching it live, and after watching the replay am still of that opinion.

Murphy was an indicator of our attitude. I wouldnt use great but I would say he played his role.

 

[Tex200]

Really hard to know what to make of yesterday’s game. Churlish not to give credit for a 73 point win, so we do.

Just though there were periods yesterday where we were pretty lost and better sides could have opened us up.

Smithers bobbed up to remind us what an important player he can be. We have to find a way to keep him contributing like that and not slipping back to cruise control.

Putting Gibbs back and freeing up Brodie may do the trick.

StKila and Freo in the next 2 have become critical in terms of not only our wins but pulling them back with some losses. Both chances to advance on the ladder.

But they are playing good fast footy and will present entirely different challenges to yesterday

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He did a presentation for Brodie Smith and Eddie Betts, but made a couple of embarrassing gaffes (most probably from nerves).

He said Eddie Betts was "the best trade ever", when we actually got him as a free agent.

Also said we'll be seeing a lot more of him (Betts) over the next 33 years?? WTF

AFC will give a development job for life.

 

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Speaking of ugly what about Himmelberg coming in from the front and spoiling Hartigan(?) who was on his own and about to take an uncontested mark.

There was also the time where it looked like the ball hit Himmelberg on the chest, but he forgot to put his arms up to mark the ball so the ball just bounced off his chest and hit the ground.

I was literally laughing for a couple of minutes about that spoil though, it was an absolute brain fart if I've ever seen one.

 

[GreyCrow]

Really hard to know what to make of yesterday’s game. Churlish not to give credit for a 73 point win, so we do.

This is where I am. Good percentage win and some good signs but is it a trend? I hope the changes we made are positive ones and players continue taking the opportunities.

Maybe I have AFC PTSD - everytime think we have come out the other side something happens to drag me back