AFL 2019 Round 6: Richmond v Melbourne, 7:35pm AEST MCG

[captain blood 17]

Just stating the facts. The last 2 games you have been comprehensively outplayed by the Pies. So not so sure we are 'shaking' in our boots when it comes to the Tigers as your mates suggest.

And you reckon we are with the pies? Please.


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[MC Extra Dollop]

That's because we are in Victoria following a team with 98k members. Do you think the WA media are going on about Richmond over there?

I tend to stay away from the Mon-Thu articles. I'm talking about the commentators when the teams are playing.

What difference does it make about how many flags have been won? The Tigers won one and backed it up with a strong season last year. It is extremely difficult to win flags let alone finals. Following the Cats you should understand that probably better than almost anyone. Also Sydney supporters. Both Sydney and the Cats have almost never missed playing finals for a long time but the number of flags between them is still probably low compared to how many finals series they've both participated in. Not having a crack at either team just pointing out how obviously difficult it is to secure the holy grail.

It's not necessarily about premierships. To me, I suppose, it's about having a period of sustained excellence, of having those years of being the team to beat and still standing up. Of being three goals down at halftime and even the opposition supporters know you'll run over them at some stage. Of opposition teams genuinely not believing they can beat you.
I think Richmond probably needs another flag or a few more years of consistent top four level play to be there.

I feel for Saints and Dockers supporters who got to the GF and left empty handed.

That's true, but you never know. The next flag can be closer than we think. Both have taken some (apparently) big scalps so far.

Richmond's a good side. They've covered their outs reasonably well and are obviously well drilled. But it's been an up and down start for them, I think it's reasonable to say and they don't have the aura of invincibility at the MCG that they did heading into September last year. With the Pies beating them up twice there, Richmond knows that they can be beaten there and just as importantly, opposition teams know it as well.

 

[Black Saab]

I tend to stay away from the Mon-Thu articles. I'm talking about the commentators when the teams are playing.



It's not necessarily about premierships. To me, I suppose, it's about having a period of sustained excellence, of having those years of being the team to beat and still standing up. Of being three goals down at halftime and even the opposition supporters know you'll run over them at some stage. Of opposition teams genuinely not believing they can beat you.
I think Richmond probably needs another flag or a few more years of consistent top four level play to be there.



That's true, but you never know. The next flag can be closer than we think. Both have taken some (apparently) big scalps so far.

Richmond's a good side. They've covered their outs reasonably well and are obviously well drilled. But it's been an up and down start for them, I think it's reasonable to say and they don't have the aura of invincibility at the MCG that they did heading into September last year. With the Pies beating them up twice there, Richmond knows that they can be beaten there and just as importantly, opposition teams know it as well.

Cheers for the reply. Some fair points.

Given that Richmond has missed one finals series since 2013 and won a flag (overall finals record is 4-4 during this time) it is a massive change in fortune for the club and its supporters who both went through 3 decades of nothingness. We were the current Carlton and Melbourne for 30 years. This can't be forgotten. After winning the flag in 2017 the majority thought Richmond were a flash in the pan. Overnight heroes headed back to obscurity. Last year disproved that. So far this season they have also stood up to adversity and are 4-2. They are capable of rolling anyone outside of the genuine contenders and that to me is a hell of huge feather in their cap. Any of the legit contenders will struggle with the other top teams but each should each man handle the pretenders and the second tier to bottom tier with a few exceptions because that is just sports.

I can now follow my team with great confidence against nearly any other mob going. It is the contenders that now bring the concern and I'll take that over the seemingly endless years of being anybodies going nowhere with any number of lists.

 

[captain blood 17]

Attacking the 'team supported' fell flat for you, so might as well try attacking the poster, I suppose. What bias?

You could also look at 2019 so far as Richmond being beaten twice by more than 40 points and let three apparent cellar dwellers hang around for far longer than they should have. One genuinely gutsy/impressive win, with your backs against the wall in hostile territory against a good opponent in Port Adelaide.

Richmond's not an all time great team by a long shot. Not yet. My point is, when you look at the other teams that managed one flag over the past decade, Richmond is only ahead of the Bulldogs, in terms of sustained success. The others played in multiple grand finals, had consistent top four finishes for an extended period. That's the minimum standard if Richmond people expect this team to stand out when compared to other recent premiers.

The whole 'here they come, be very scared opposition teams' like they've been a juggernaut for 10 years is a bit ridiculous, particularly after beating a team that looked as inept as Melbourne did last night. It's pretty hard to know what to take out of Richmond's performance last night. Melbourne didn't look AFL-standard and the Tigers obviously get some of the credit for the part they played in making them look so terrible, but it's hard to gauge just how much.

I know amongst all the bluff and BS on this board there would of been that talk. Personally, it was a prelim and/or above for me last season because what you want is consistent performance. As it stands, we have competed in finals 5 out of the last 6 years, so, we have been a consistent team with some sustained success. Certainly not a juggernaut.
You’re right, it is hard to get a guage on the performance last night as it was a “dirty ball” game. Being at it, i can tell you they were smashing numbers into the back 50 to take up space and cut Lynch and Jack put of the game. Issue for Melbourne was, by doing that, they had no exit. Hence the 70 Fwd 50 entries for us to the 30-40 they had.
The biggest myth perpetuated about us is a lack of depth. Our VFL team in the last 2 years has made a prelim and GF. We are currently top 4 again. We are a club currently which has its shit together.
But, clickbait media conveniently overlook these things. They still commentate our games like it’s ‘97. “Oooooh risky kick”, “ooooooh can they hang on” etc etc. It gets real old these days.
Our system has returned. Plus, like the Cats, looks like we have unearthed a few ripper kids. Is that a fairer post which addresses yours?


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[Carringbush2010]

Some were forced yes... but just before Melbourne collapsed and stopped scoring, AND they had some momentum, I saw a number of occasions where they were either going inside 50 or going to half forward, and there seemed to be 2 or 3 Melbourne players bunched together in a particular area, and the ball carrier under minimal pressure ignored the multiple Melbourne players and kicks it 30 metres to the left/right or over the top directly to a Richmond player. I don't know whether these are mis-kicks or if that player honestly did not look ahead and just bombed it anywhere.

It seemed to be that these repeat turn overs were the beginning to the end... they got to a point where they just stopped trying to go forward, and everyone moved back into defensive 50 for the remainder of the game.

After the 1st qtr (Dees applied good pressure) they couldn't hold it up. Couldn't keep pace where Rich continued their suffocate and spread game - continued to force contest and outnumber at contest and forced the wayward disposal of the Dees who simply had no room to execute clean disposal.

Like a Rich of last year................ oh wait.

 

[evo]

As an opposition supporter I loved Brayshaw on a wing. He is Melbournes best player imo and Melbourne could of dominated us around the ball if he was in there.
Hunt in the forward line is also quite funny as he looked a star off the HBF.
Patracca should be fit enough to play midfield now as well. If he isn’t melbournes fitness staff should be sacked

Richmond are most vulnerable to good opposition midfields. I think we are 2nd last in clearances.

So what does Goody do? he starts with Brayshaw on the wing, Oliver at Full Forward and Hibberd in the middle.

 

[Bazzar]

I though there was high contact but it was very much incidental as Viney collapsed under the collision.

I doubt it's a problem but if he was concussed they'll go over it with a fine toothed comb.

No high contact.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

No high contact.
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Nup

You need to look further.

 

[Bazzar]

Nup

You need to look further.

I've seen it over and over. No high contact

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I've seen it over and over. No high contact

And the sky is purple. Whatever

 

[Corkintheocean]

I thought we were talking about Oliver? My point is he (Oliver) is a lot better than a bog average 'hard inside mid', but he doesn't have the inside/outside game that only the very best have. He's like Scott West, Matt Priddis, one of those types. In the right midfield, he's elite. In the wrong midfield (i.e. one without the linebreaking outside class), he looks like a plodder. You can't just put him in any midfield and be assured he'd succeed, but there's not many players in the league who can do that.

Gotcha. Wires crossed. I was meaning Viney from the outset. Agree with you on Oliver.

 

[Do the Dew]

And the sky is purple. Whatever

Why you always arguing with everyone bro? Bump was completely fair from every angle, very obvious


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[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Why you always arguing with everyone bro? Bump was completely fair from every angle, very obvious


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Diddums

 

[Bazzar]

And the sky is purple. Whatever

If their was any head high it would have been accidental head clash between the two. Stacks shoulder was nowhere near Vineys head.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

If their was any head high it would have been accidental head clash between the two. Stacks shoulder was nowhere near Vineys head.

Your nonsense doesn't interest me. Read what I posted originally.

 

[Do the Dew]

Your nonsense doesn't interest me. Read what I posted originally.

How about you watch the footage?


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[dean33]

Gotta love the April/May champions that are Collingwood. A team that has won 2 flags in 60 years.

Let them have their glory, we all know heartbreak awaits them in September.

 

[captain blood 17]

It’s about right.

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[captain cotch 9]

Are Melbourne becoming fugazzi?

 

[CholEstrol]

Nup

You need to look further.

Load of crap. The head gets rattled with most collisions on a footy field. Dissapointed in Goodwins "some concussion stuff" comment. Sounded like a lame attempt to gain the attention of the mrp.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Load of crap. The head gets rattled with most collisions on a footy field. Dissapointed in Goodwins "some concussion stuff" comment. Sounded like a lame attempt to gain the attention of the mrp.

Learning to read before hurling nonsense would be good.

 

[CholEstrol]

Learning to read before hurling nonsense would be good.

I'm a very good reader. You said "I though there was high contact" which is an absolute croc. Was a totally legal, perfect bump and nowhere near Viney's (oversized) head.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I'm a very good reader. You said "I though there was high contact" which is an absolute croc. Was a totally legal, perfect bump and nowhere near Viney's (oversized) head.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[CholEstrol]

Welcome to my ignore list.

Diddums

 

[Sterge]

Your nonsense doesn't interest me. Read what I posted originally.

How on earth can you look at the picture posted and view the footage and come to the conclusion there was any high contact?

If there was even a hint of the the media would have been all over it.