Preview Changes: R2 vs Richmond, Saturday March 25, 4.05pm ACDT @ Adelaide Oval

[footy4ever]

In Pickett's defense he was obligated to bump, his surname gave him no choice in the matter.

It also had to be high. Have never seen a better head hunter. Absolute filthy sniper.

 

[Gtowncrow]

To be fair he thought Smith was a fence

 

[Dangarman]

Literally nobody here is advocating for McAdam getting off - it's the blatant inconsistency. There is absolutely no way that you can justify him getting more weeks than Pickett.

I am. IMO it should be graded a careless low impact hit to the body, which is a fine.

As others have noted, McAdam did not leave the ground, hit the ball carrier in the chest resulting in Wehr's head moving forward relative to his body.

If this is graded severe impact, what is it called when a player is "knocked into next season" to use the words of Damien Barrett on AFL daily this morning?

(For context, IIRC Damo claimed the intent of McAdam was to "knock him into next season".)

What was McAdam's alternative course of action? If he didn't run fast at the player, that would have given him opportunity to effect the disposal. Running into him chest on in a tackle motion would have thrown Wehr backwards onto the ground with much more potential for injury.

Viva! our legal team! Do another Mackay!

 

[Crow till I die]

I am. IMO it should be graded a careless low impact hit to the body, which is a fine.

As others have noted, McAdam did not leave the ground, hit the ball carrier in the chest resulting in Wehr's head moving forward relative to his body.

If this is graded severe impact, what is it called when a player is "knocked into next season" to use the words of Damien Barrett on AFL daily this morning?

(For context, IIRC Damo claimed the intent of McAdam was to "knock him into next season".)

What was McAdam's alternative course of action? If he didn't run fast at the player, that would have given him opportunity to effect the disposal. Running into him chest on in a tackle motion would have thrown Wehr backwards onto the ground with much more potential for injury.

Viva! our legal team! Do another Mackay!

I suspect our QC will be all over this to pull apart the AFL gradings and make them look like idiots when we appeal

 

[DJ75]

Stole this from twitter this morning. 100% accurate.

 

[Mutineer]

I'm not particularly convinced on the gassed side of things. I do remember earlier in this thread seeing our pressure rating was pretty consistent in both halves (i.e. the drop off was the 2nd quarter), and watching, it didn't seem like we were being outworked. Just outclassed*, though that was heavily magnified by Laird in particular having a stinker. For that reason, I do think this is a case where we would have been better off with Crouch. Just to have a second guy who can reliably win 4-5 clearances, and rack up 25 disposals goes a long way, and likely gives Laird a way back into the game, instead of making our midfield a case of you can put all your effort into shutting down Laird. Ditto putting Keays in the middle for an extended period would have likely garnered the same result. Still, I didn't mind that we backed our kids in that situation. I do think we've got to show faith at some point and ride the ups and downs, though this week might have been proof that it's too early for that faith.

Ultimately though, that's a game that boils down to take your chances when they come. 8.6 instead of 4.10 in the first quarter and we probably come away from that match with a comfortable win. Unfortunately for us, Rankine had one of those games where he just couldn't get it done in front of the sticks. Happens to every gun player every now and then, just a shame it mattered this time. Other misses as well, Laird had two shots he'd normally sink go wide. Dawson ditto had one etc. We shot our shot, GWS adjusted, ran away with it and we're left with a frustrating L. Though, one with some clear silver linings.

* Just to add to this point, I reckon there was 3-4 center clearances in the second half where a GWS player would end up blocking the space to protect their teammate from one the closest Berry/Laird/Soligo. It was a real masterclass from a centre square unit that looked like it had played 150+ games together and were in sync.

I disagree re Keays, he's essentially our biggest bodied midfielder at 186cm 89kg, significantly bigger than both Kelly and Coniglio and only 3kg lighter than Tom Green and the best tank of all the mids on the ground.

Sure go with the youngsters when they're competitive but they were clearly not getting the job done in the 2nd half and Keays was the obvious player to attempt to change things up. Laird was clearly having a bad day and even he admitted in his post game interview with Kymbo and Rooch he didn't have a hard tag.

 

[DJ75]

I disagree re Keays, he's essentially our biggest bodied midfielder at 186cm 89kg, significantly bigger than both Kelly and Coniglio and only 3kg lighter than Tom Green and the best tank of all the mids on the ground.

Sure go with the youngsters when they're competitive but they were clearly not getting the job done in the 2nd half and Keays was the obvious player to attempt to change things up. Laird was clearly having a bad day and even he admitted in his post game interview with Kymbo and Rooch he didn't have a hard tag.

Keays to the midfield had to be made at the start of the last quarter. It would have at least provided some run and given us a chance given how tired they were.
We eventually did make the move. With 1 minute 20 left in the game.
It was just horrendous coaching.

 

[MsTopG]

Out:
ROB Brown McAdam (susp) Smith Butts

In:
Thilthorpe Parnell Worrell?(if fit) Jones/Hamill Keane

 

[MsTopG]

I am. IMO it should be graded a careless low impact hit to the body, which is a fine.

As others have noted, McAdam did not leave the ground, hit the ball carrier in the chest resulting in Wehr's head moving forward relative to his body.

If this is graded severe impact, what is it called when a player is "knocked into next season" to use the words of Damien Barrett on AFL daily this morning?

(For context, IIRC Damo claimed the intent of McAdam was to "knock him into next season".)

What was McAdam's alternative course of action? If he didn't run fast at the player, that would have given him opportunity to effect the disposal. Running into him chest on in a tackle motion would have thrown Wehr backwards onto the ground with much more potential for injury.

Viva! our legal team! Do another Mackay!

He will get 3 weeks. How dumb are players doing head high spear tackles just after the biggest concussion lawsuit in Australian sports history. If you do the crime you do the time. McAdam has cost the club and I hope he plays well for the rest of the year. It was a completely dumb selfish act.

 

[Crow till I die]

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Stole this from twitter this morning. 100% accurate.

Drop it on the main board mcadam thread

 

[Mutineer]

He will get 3 weeks. How dumb are players doing head high spear tackles just after the biggest concussion lawsuit in Australian sports history. If you do the crime you do the time. McAdam has cost the club and I hope he plays well for the rest of the year. It was a completely dumb selfish act.

It wasn't head high, the initial contact and force of the bump was straight up the middle, the head only came into contact in a whiplash motion after the initial hit.

Spear tackle?

Have you even watched the footage of the bump?

 

[FR0GGY]

It wasn't head high, the initial contact and force of the bump was straight up the middle, the head only came into contact in a whiplash motion after the initial hit.

Spear tackle?

Have you even watched the footage of the bump?

That doesn’t matter surely?

 

[Fivel_79]

I don’t know how anyone can objectively look at the Pickett and McAdam bumps and assess that McAdam’s was the most reckless and severe of the two.

Even for the AFL, it beggars belief that just 24 hours apart they could assess two similar incidents through such a different lens. At best it’s blind reactive hypocrisy at worst it’s blatant bias against a player because he’s not a big enough name to get away with it or playing at an AFL love-child club.

It’s crazy, I don’t think anyone is saying by current standards it shouldn’t be cited, but if Pickett’s hit was assessed worthy of two-weeks, McAdam should get one to two weeks max… and as many have pointed out Cripps probably shouldn’t have a Brownlow but the only thing the AFL is consistent in is their inconsistencies. And their favourites will always prevail, it so far from a level playing field that it’s ridiculous.

I haven’t felt this disillusioned with the AFL system for a while, but that’s likely only because of the length of pre-season between this and the “Jack Bowes

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Jack Bowes

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28

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189cm

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85kg

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16.3

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6.6

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-Free top 10 pick” trade.

The real crazy thing is that now that Adelaide will lawyer up and the precedent set just 24 hours earlier can be raised, he may end up with the correct or no penalty but they’ve made us work/pay for it… if they were serious about head knocks the AFL would appeal the Pickett verdict like they did with Toby Greene

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and the umpire but we all know they won’t do that, the only way to deflect criticism for being too lenient on Pickett and to a lesser degree Franklin, is to smash the next guy up luckily for the AFL it’s a lesser known Adelaide player. Ridiculous.

 

[footy4ever]

It wasn't head high, the initial contact and force of the bump was straight up the middle, the head only came into contact in a whiplash motion after the initial hit.

Spear tackle?

Have you even watched the footage of the bump?

Clearly a troll. Needs a 'do not feed' sign.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Is Murray injured?

Cramp apparently

 

[MRB37]

The woke prick has his replies off. That's all you need to know about him.

Do you know why they do it? Because then people quote retweet him to reply and then he can brag about "look at all the retweets I get!". It's about spreading their content into other people's timelines who wouldn't normally see it, not about not wanting to look at replies.

I don't follow Tom Browne. But he appears in my timeline constantly because people do that.

 

[MRB37]

 

[DJ75]

It wasn't head high, the initial contact and force of the bump was straight up the middle, the head only came into contact in a whiplash motion after the initial hit.

Spear tackle?

Have you even watched the footage of the bump?

What actually happens is that McAdam makes contact with his chest, applying a force on the body. His head, having a mass of around 8-9 kg, stays where it is (due to inertia). So his body moves backwards and his head stays where it is, looking like it moves forwards.
This is impossible to do if McAdam makes contact with the head.
So basically the AFL are saying that a forceful impact to the body, where the player has the ball, is worse than one to the head after the player has disposed of the ball.

Quality from the AFL as usual.

 

[DJ75]

Absolutely spot on.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I don’t know how anyone can objectively look at the Pickett and McAdam bumps and assess that McAdam’s was the most reckless and severe of the two.

Even for the AFL, it beggars belief that just 24 hours apart they could assess two similar incidents through such a different lens. At best it’s blind reactive hypocrisy at worst it’s blatant bias against a player because he’s not a big enough name to get away with it or playing at an AFL love-child club.

It’s crazy, I don’t think anyone is saying by current standards it shouldn’t be cited, but if Pickett’s hit was assessed worthy of two-weeks, McAdam should get one to two weeks max… and as many have pointed out Cripps probably shouldn’t have a Brownlow but the only thing the AFL is consistent in is their inconsistencies. And their favourites will always prevail, it so far from a level playing field that it’s ridiculous.

I haven’t felt this disillusioned with the AFL system for a while, but that’s likely only because of the length of pre-season between this and the “Jack Bowes-Free top 10 pick” trade.

The real crazy thing is that now that Adelaide will lawyer up and the precedent set just 24 hours earlier can be raised, he may end up with the correct or no penalty but they’ve made us work/pay for it… if they were serious about head knocks the AFL would appeal the Pickett verdict like they did with Toby Greene and the umpire but we all know they won’t do that, the only way to deflect criticism for being too lenient on Pickett and to a lesser degree Franklin, is to smash the next guy up luckily for the AFL it’s a lesser known Adelaide player. Ridiculous.

The league is run by ex-footballers most of whom are dopey dumb c..ts and most of whom have a bias that leans them toward the victorian clubs.

The AFL media is pretty much the same and gets its direction straight from the AFL.

Look at Ralphy. From the moment he commented on the mcadam bump you knew mcadam was going to be sent to the tribunal.. why?.. because the AFL morons wouldve rang Ralphy up and told him that was the outcome they wanted and to start pushing it in the media to sway public opinion in that direction.

The whole thing is unprofessional and manufactured to get the exact outcome the AFL desires.

They saw the mcadam bump and instantly thought “brilliant.. we bow have our scapegoat”. If you think this is a cynical way of thinking then youre easily fooled.

Most of these morons have probably never run anything competently in their lives let alone a huge organisation like the AFL.

They are literally making it all up as the go.

The Crows need to step up just as they did against the Mackay incident.. that showed just how pathetic and ill equiped these utter morons like Michael Christian are. Any good lawyer, barrister or QC will tear their arguments and assessments to shreds..

 

[Crow till I die]

The league is run by ex-footballers most of whom are dopey dumb c..ts and most of whom have a bias that leans them toward the victorian clubs.

The AFL media is pretty much the same and gets its direction straight from the AFL.

Look at Ralphy. From the moment he commented on the mcadam bump you knew mcadam was going to be sent to the tribunal.. why?.. because the AFL morons wouldve rang Ralphy up and told him that was the outcome they wanted and to start pushing it in the media to sway public opinion in that direction.

The whole thing is unprofessional and manufactured to get the exact outcome the AFL desires.

They saw the mcadam bump and instantly thought “brilliant.. we bow have our scapegoat”. If you think this is a cynical way of thinking then youre easily fooled.

Most of these morons have probably never run anything competently in their lives let alone a huge organisation like the AFL.

They are literally making it all up as the go.

The Crows need to step up just as they did against the Mackay incident.. that showed just how pathetic and ill equiped these utter morons like Michael Christian are. Any good lawyer, barrister or QC will tear their arguments and assessments to shreds..

There were 3 bumps that attracted the MRO over the weekend, 1 of which was worse than McAdam and the other at lest as bad...its no coincidence that they have chosen the one by the crows player to make an example of..its the opportunity they have been waiting for to belt us after we embarrassed them over Mackay

 

[Mutineer]

The league is run by ex-footballers most of whom are dopey dumb c..ts and most of whom have a bias that leans them toward the victorian clubs.

The AFL media is pretty much the same and gets its direction straight from the AFL.

Look at Ralphy. From the moment he commented on the mcadam bump you knew mcadam was going to be sent to the tribunal.. why?.. because the AFL morons wouldve rang Ralphy up and told him that was the outcome they wanted and to start pushing it in the media to sway public opinion in that direction.

The whole thing is unprofessional and manufactured to get the exact outcome the AFL desires.

They saw the mcadam bump and instantly thought “brilliant.. we bow have our scapegoat”. If you think this is a cynical way of thinking then youre easily fooled.

Most of these morons have probably never run anything competently in their lives let alone a huge organisation like the AFL.

They are literally making it all up as the go.

The Crows need to step up just as they did against the Mackay incident.. that showed just how pathetic and ill equiped these utter morons like Michael Christian are. Any good lawyer, barrister or QC will tear their arguments and assessments to shreds..

Michael Christian was a highly sought out Stockbroker before now running one of the largest racehorse breeding etc establishments in Australia..Longwood Thorougbred Farm.

Highly successful individual and a decent footballer but an abject failure in his role as MRO boss.

Services — LONGWOOD

www.longwoodthoroughbredfarm.com.au

Team — LONGWOOD

www.longwoodthoroughbredfarm.com.au

Haha his personal email is there if you really want to tell him what you think.

 

[Slippery Pete]

The league is run by ex-footballers most of whom are dopey dumb c..ts and most of whom have a bias that leans them toward the victorian clubs.

Too many Gen Xers in all these roles now

 

[Bearded Clam]

Michael Christian was a highly sought out Stockbroker before now running one of the largest racehorse breeding etc establishments in Australia..Longwood Thorougbred Farm.

Highly successful individual and a decent footballer but an abject failure in his role as MRO boss.

Services — LONGWOOD

www.longwoodthoroughbredfarm.com.au

Team — LONGWOOD

www.longwoodthoroughbredfarm.com.au

Haha his personal email is there if you really want to tell him what you think.

So he’s a cowboy.. fits the bill!..

And a stockbroker..

How the fxxk does either of those careers make him qualified and suitable for his current role?..

The MRO officer should have a sports science/biomechanics and WHS background.

Someone that has some knowledge of how the human body acts and works in sport and someone who knows how to correctly assess risk using a risk matrix and is willing to do so without fear or favour.

Christian has proven beyond doubt that he’s not the man for the job.

He needs to go.

 

[WetCrow1991]

What actually happens is that McAdam makes contact with his chest, applying a force on the body. His head, having a mass of around 8-9 kg, stays where it is (due to inertia). So his body moves backwards and his head stays where it is, looking like it moves forwards.
This is impossible to do if McAdam makes contact with the head.
So basically the AFL are saying that a forceful impact to the body, where the player has the ball, is worse than one to the head after the player has disposed of the ball.

Quality from the AFL as usual.

The AFL are actually claiming that it was high. Which is impossible. So our QC can pick that apart, in addition to the severe impact.