List Mgmt. 2025 Draft & Trade Thread - Picks 31, 32, 42, 60 and 71

[Ticky009]

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Even if you moved Blakey up the ground though it doesn't fix the main issue of having to work out of a pickle once obtaining the footy in defence - we need clear run out of defence like we did last year and blakey running out of defence was a massive weapon for us because he was given a licence to attack first. He did win an AA in that position after all and it works fine aslong as our system allows it. Reason why the likes of Blakey and Roberts were seen to have a bad year is because they had to constantly work their way out of a pickle under pressure rather than going straight to their weapon of finding the outlet.

imo you can absolutely play slightly off your man majority of the time within reason (minus maybe your main KPD on the main KPF), the oppo isn't going to be efficient enough most of the time in hitting their forward on the tit, they just aren't as we saw last year. On the other hand, our offensive weaponry is ridiculously good at kicking to advantage, so we will outscore our opponent 9 times out of 10 in that aspect.

Think we can use a Bice or say a Carmichael in that role, Mills did it in his first year no reason Carmicahel can't. I'd start with Bice though he did well this year just was cooked halfway through it happens. I'd still like Blakey forward of centre more than in defence. Blakey gets it 18 times forward of centre is better than 25-27 times in defence.

 

[bedford]

We don't have the list spots to complete this fantasy

Fantasy , love it

 

[FreeAgent1]

Kyle is a significantly better talent.

How did Joel go this year for pies vfl?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

How did Joel go this year for pies vfl?

not sure to be honest was always a long term prospect anyway you'd assume they park him for 2 years then see

 

[liz]

We don't have the list spots to complete this fantasy

We now have up to five senior spots available. So yes, we have list room. We likely don’t have cap room, and might not be interested even if we did. So it almost certainly won’t happen. But it’s not impossible.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We now have up to five senior spots available. So yes, we have list room. We likely don’t have cap room, and might not be interested even if we did. So it almost certainly won’t happen. But it’s not impossible.

There is a chance! Hey purely to annoy the Crows...do it

 

[Kiama Chris]

There is a chance! Hey purely to annoy the Crows...do it

Let's not be the club that screws with people's lives for fun.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Let's not be the club that screws with people's lives for fun.

That aside would suit us to a tee replacing the bloke we just traded.

 

[Bloods86]

not sure to be honest was always a long term prospect anyway you'd assume they park him for 2 years then see

You mean like Kyle who is talked about in terms of athleticism and potential?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You mean like Kyle who is talked about in terms of athleticism and potential?

Kyle likely doesn't play next year, to be honest bar Carmichael don't think any of the academy boys play next year unless we get decimated with injuries. You know my thoughts on King so we don't need to go there again, and Kyle is probably going to need time. Carmichael may play early as like Mills he may be able to play a looser position early. Ideally though none of them play and we have very little injury disruptions but that's highly unrealistic, but we hope for that

 

[zyzzbruh]

Think we can use a Bice or say a Carmichael in that role, Mills did it in his first year no reason Carmicahel can't. I'd start with Bice though he did well this year just was cooked halfway through it happens. I'd still like Blakey forward of centre more than in defence. Blakey gets it 18 times forward of centre is better than 25-27 times in defence.

I'd be fine with Bice replacing Blakey with Blakey moving up to Lloyds wing, as long as Bice is given the same licence Blakey was given last year.

 

[Bandicoot]

I for one am glad to hear the Swans were Dunkley’s #1 choice.

I’m sad my favourite player’s son ended up ‘playing for the away team’ - but at least his mind wasn’t poisoned as certain media outlets tried to portray.

Kinnear did a lot of good - but he blew this one - a chance at a lifelong son of a champion. FAAAAARK.

I think his hands were tied.
Had GCS nominated Dunkley at pick 20 instead of Fiorini, Kinnear would have the had to make the difficult decision of matching the bid knowing it would have cost us both picks 51 and 56. As fate tells us we selected Dawson with pick 56.

 

[Bandicoot]

Can’t wait for draft night. Stress free and guaranteed to be a success as we have no first round picks to lament over and we literally can’t do worse than prior efforts.

That being said this Keane guy seems ok thus far.

I don't think there will be any surprises on draft night. Our first three selections will be King, Carmichael and Kyle. Not necessarily in that order.
What we do after that is of no great concern to me.

 

[bedford]

I don't think there will be any surprises on draft night. Our first three selections will be King, Carmichael and Kyle. Not necessarily in that order.
What we do after that is of no great concern to me.

I know someone it will concern

 

[Bandicoot]

ESPN's first mock draft (first round)

AFL Phantom Draft 2025: 27 picks, 9 bids make up a chaotic first round

It could be a massive first night of the 2025 AFL Draft, with up to 27 selections and nine(!) bids set to feature. Here's who ESPN has going in the first round.

www.espn.com.au

Has the bid (from Freo) coming for King at pick 20


King's raw talent is undeniable, launching himself at the ball with an incredible leap and changing the game with his aerial exploits. The inconsistency and variability with his kicking is an issue that the Swans will be all too happy to work through given King's upside. Sydney can match with their second round picks and will have Harry Kyle and Lachie Carmichael to bring in as well.

Considering GCS will most likely be using all their picks of value on Patterson and Uwland and still be in deficit, I don't know how they plan on matching a bid for Addinsall in the first round. I suppose they just go into further deficit.

 

[Bonz]

Let's not be the club that screws with people's lives for fun.

We are starting to show a little more ruthlessness.

If we had the cap space and thought Ah Chee would add to our team, I imagine we would have having a talk with his manager, BUT there are a couple of other considerations here.

• Biggest one, you don't want to piss off a player manager or player manager group (They have a lot more power in the game than what you would expect).
• We had to push out Florent for salary purposes in order to assist in getting Curnow in (assuming Serong and Rosas are minimal wage), breaking the bank for Ah Chee (at late notice) might not go down well with the group.
• Adelaide will almost DEFINATELY be front ending that contract to avoid other contenders making a move on him, they had enough space to make a move for Petracca I cannot see how we could afford him.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Considering GCS will most likely be using all their picks of value on Patterson and Uwland and still be in deficit, I don't know how they plan on matching a bid for Addinsall in the first round. I suppose they just go into further deficit.

Can easily trade into this year. I expect them to further split their picks anyway for more points. I expect them to trade their 2026 into this year.

 

[Kbroome]

Considering GCS will most likely be using all their picks of value on Patterson and Uwland and still be in deficit, I don't know how they plan on matching a bid for Addinsall in the first round. I suppose they just go into further deficit.

They will have pick trades lined up to go through right after the draft opens but anyway

Match Uwland #2 with 15 18 24 and get 43 back

Match Patterson on #4 with 26, 27, 34, 43 and 50 (after picks come up the order) puts them in roughly 60 points of deficit.

Think you could see them do a smart thing and split 15 into 25 and 26 with North Melbourne as that will actually help them in the second set of bid matching for Patterson by shifting the picks up another spot each.

E.g. to 25 26 33 and 34 to match Patterson which would actually enable them to match Patterson at #3 by 40 odd points

 

[browny_88]

They will have pick trades lined up to go through right after the draft opens but anyway

Match Uwland #2 with 15 18 24 and get 43 back

Match Patterson on #4 with 26, 27, 34, 43 and 50 (after picks come up the order) puts them in roughly 60 points of deficit.

Think you could see them do a smart thing and split 15 into 25 and 26 with North Melbourne as that will actually help them in the second set of bid matching for Patterson by shifting the picks up another spot each.

E.g. to 25 26 33 and 34 to match Patterson which would actually enable them to match Patterson at #3 by 40 odd points

I have no idea how this system works, have we got enough for our academy kids? Assuming we take them.

 

[Kiama Chris]

We are starting to show a little more ruthlessness.

If we had the cap space and thought Ah Chee would add to our team, I imagine we would have having a talk with his manager, BUT there are a couple of other considerations here.

• Biggest one, you don't want to piss off a player manager or player manager group (They have a lot more power in the game than what you would expect).
• We had to push out Florent for salary purposes in order to assist in getting Curnow in (assuming Serong and Rosas are minimal wage), breaking the bank for Ah Chee (at late notice) might not go down well with the group.
• Adelaide will almost DEFINATELY be front ending that contract to avoid other contenders making a move on him, they had enough space to make a move for Petracca I cannot see how we could afford him.

All completely true but TBH I was more reacting to LP1s cavalier attitude. I'm 100% sure the club would never do it without being certain it would be welcome.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I have no idea how this system works, have we got enough for our academy kids? Assuming we take them.

Yeah we have enough. Kyle won’t cost anything basically so it is really only the two. We have two selections in the 20’s that will be enough for the matching. Baron mind that the deficit comes from the round a bud is made if it comes to that.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Yeah we have enough. Kyle won’t cost anything basically so it is really only the two. We have two selections in the 20’s that will be enough for the matching. Baron mind that the deficit comes from the round a bud is made if it comes to that.

31, 32, 42, 63, 88

 

[rustycrate]

List changes

Rampe and Lloyd delisted

Looks likely we go to 36 main list. That leaves the following open spots

• 3 main list
• 4 rookie A (Rampe and Lloyd yet to be rookied)
• 1 rookie B

 

[LukeParkerno1]

31, 32, 42, 63, 88

Yep that’s plenty. First three match the first two basically. Kyle with some random
Picks late. We have the capital

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

Well that's the difference between a good team and a not so good team. someones got to finish first and someone will finish last.

The reason why we were so good that year is because we were very efficient in identifying and hitting the loose player on our forays forward - which is a hats off to our structure forward of the footy to find separation, and kudos to our mids who were able to identify it, and even at times run ahead of the footy to create another option themselves.

Watching other teams transition the footy against us was comedic at times, you could literally see the openings they had but they were simply unable to execute - that shouldn't be a criticism on us, nor should our ability to be efficient ahead of the footy be understated due to the oppositions 'inability' to defend well, that's not our problem. We were justifiably the best side last year during the season. I rekn our drop off was mental, not the opposition learning to defend us - when you're that far into the season motivation can start to get a bit stale regardless of how well you are going, and when we were playing as well as we were the impact of that was always going to be an obvious one, because no one cares about the team who was 12th but loses 6 out of their last 7 games, they will notice the team who is 1st and starts dropping games though.

The second motivation starts wavering and complacency starts creeping in, it creates a compounding affect of lack of accountability and confusion on the field - all of a sudden we weren't running as hard, which led to more contests which then led to us slapping it onto the boot since we were under more pressure.

The biggest aspect of coaching a successful team is keeping your players mentally switched on for either a long period of time, or the most important time of the year. That's why the whole 'peaked at the wrong/right time of year' thing exists.

This is why i'm concerned re Cox's philosophy of 'we need to change the way we play', as i don't think that was ever the issue. Anyone who has played footy knows if you're drilled to 'defend first' as we have this season, it's actually so hard to get involved in the game offensively - which is why i think we struggled so badly on transition. Imo it was purely a matter of mental fortitude.

I respect that you come at this from a different angle to me. I think some of the factors you highlight did play a part.

I do though hope that my understanding is closer the truth than yours, because if you are right we are in for a long year next year.