List Mgmt. 2013 Trading & Free Agency

[Freomaniac]

Well you crows are desperate in getting a decent 2nd round pick.....

So what are the crows best 2 picks? 42 and 60? Its not too bad when you look at it.

I remember when Freo traded pick 61 to get Jono Griffin, crows did well to get Lyons. Rory Sloane was pick 44 in the 2008 draft. Freo got Walters for pick 53 in that same year too...

As a Crows fan I wouldnt be worried or disappointed if the crows dont get the 2nd round pick, theres bound to be a decent player or 2 taken after pick 40.

 

[macca23]

Interesting to consider his value. He is contracted and so they must extract him which adds to his value - third rounder if uncontracted. Vince is also contracted - cant see both combined worth 20 alone.

What about Tapscott - I see he gets bagged on here but do we have any kind of objective assessment. Is he just another stalling in that basket case?

Lyons is a young contracted inside mid who is very good at clearances. Has shown plenty IMO in the 10 or so opportunities he's had at AFL level and again IMO should have played more games than he did.

No way he should be traded for anything less than a mid 2nd rounder given his promise and the fact that he is contracted and not surplus to requirements.

If its a 3rd rounder being offered - no way. I don't want us to do trades just for the sake of doing trades. When its for a contracted player it has to be for a bit above fair value or not at all. 2nd rounder or nothing IMO.

As for Vince, while it makes good sense to trade him this year given the free agency aspect at the end of next year. If he was at another club and we wanted him, that club would expect somewhere between pick 16 and 18 IMO, given that he was contracted. If other clubs expect that from us why wouldn't we expect the same when it's our player that's wanted by another club?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

As for Vince, while it makes good sense to trade him this year given the free agency aspect at the end of next year. If he was at another club and we wanted him, that club would expect somewhere between pick 16 and 18 IMO, given that he was contracted. If other clubs expect that from us why wouldn't we expect the same when it's our player that's wanted by another club?

Pick 17?

 

[macca23]

Pick 17?

Very close, Carl.

 

[Freomaniac]

Lyons is a young contracted inside mid who is very good at clearances. Has shown plenty IMO in the 10 or so opportunities he's had at AFL level and again IMO should have played more games than he did.

No way he should be traded for anything less than a mid 2nd rounder given his promise and the fact that he is contracted and not surplus to requirements.

If its a 3rd rounder being offered - no way. I don't want us to do trades just for the sake of doing trades. When its for a contracted player it has to be for a bit above fair value or not at all. 2nd rounder or nothing IMO.

As for Vince, while it makes good sense to trade him this year given the free agency aspect at the end of next year. If he was at another club and we wanted him, that club would expect somewhere between pick 16 and 18 IMO, given that he was contracted. If other clubs expect that from us why wouldn't we expect the same when it's our player that's wanted by another club?

I like your way of thinkng.

Also if you guys do get a 2nd rounder for Lyons then thats a win for the crows consdiering he was the pick 61 that you got for Jono Griffin.

 

[headache1]

I remember when Freo traded pick 61 to get Jono Griffin

We let Griffin go cheaply, as he requested a trade on compassionate grounds to be closer to his ill father.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

We let Griffin go cheaply, as he requested a trade on compassionate grounds to be closer to his ill father.

And then the following year he wanted to be traded to Port

 

[crowsup]

Between vader and Wayne's world I think you've cracked their code.

Please add me to that duo. I believe they are probably the only two in this discussion that appear to have any brains.

 

[cm_perfect]

Pick 17?

Starts with a "B" Bob

 

[Vader]

Vander's radar is short, he lives in Canberra not Parkes (dish reference).

Totally off topic... did you realise that the events shown in The Dish (Australia receiving the first images of Neil Armstrong walking on the moon) actually occurred at Honeysuckle Creek just outside Canberra, not at Parkes?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

The Age is reporting

That Gumbleton preferred club is Freo however has spoken to Adelaide and that Freo are currently working through his medical assessment

Additionally the article reports that both Brisbane and Melbourne are interested in Lyons

 

[Sanders]

Please add me to that duo. I believe they are probably the only two in this discussion that appear to have any brains.

wowee

 

[Draft Bored]

I've FINALLY caught up after flicking through 400 posts that say we have no chance at pick 2.

Apparently we're having a crack at pick 2 so instead of saying X doesn't get us pick 2, perhaps we should be considering what we are offering that does give us a shot a pick 2?

Scares me a little.

 

[TheMelbourneCrow]

I've FINALLY caught up after flicking through 400 posts that say we have no chance at pick 2.

Apparently we're having a crack at pick 2 so instead of saying X doesn't get us pick 2, perhaps we should be considering what we are offering that does give us a shot a pick 2?

Scares me a little.

Given that who is worth a straight swap of pick 2, across any club.
Just wondering what value people place on it.

I would say our 5 untouchables are worth more than pick 2

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[Macca Pakka]

Well, wasn't rookie listed. My bad as I was under the impression he was a rookie listed player.

However, he was over looked for the 2000 draft. "Disappointed at being overlooked in the 2000 draft Mitchell joined the Box Hill Hawks. After a couple of games in the Development squad he gained promotion to the seniors and completed the season as the teams number one rover"

He did have to go away and improve his disposal and kicking before getting upgraded to the seniors. .

After being overlooked in the 2000 draft and not being invited to attend the 2011 draft, Mitchell wrote to quite a number of AFL clubs, including Adelaide, asking to train with them over preseason. What could have been

 

[Draft Bored]

I love the idea of getting pick #2... ignoring for now the fact that we have 0% chance of getting it.

Someone's going to get it so our percentage would be more like 5%.

Once you factor in that they want experienced midfielders, the depth of our midfield and the fact that they are interested in at least two of our contracted midfielders I'd say our percentage goes up.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Someone's going to get it so our percentage would be more like 5%.

Once you factor in that they want experienced midfielders, the depth of our midfield and the fact that they are interested in at least two of our contracted midfielders I'd say our percentage goes up.

Not to trawl over old ground, but a club giving up Pick 2 hasn't happened too often lately from memory. It finally does in a year where there are South Aussie A-listers around as well, plus we've got players prepared to move... and our hands are tied A player + our first rounder would have got it done comfortably.

 

[GROTTO]

When would we know if we have secured pick 2 or any pick for that matter, I am presuming some time this week?

 

[GROTTO]

Not to trawl over old ground, but a club giving up Pick 2 hasn't happened too often lately from memory. It finally does in a year where there are South Aussie A-listers around as well, plus we've got players prepared to move... and our hands are tied A player + our first rounder would have got it done comfortably.

If we were to get pick 2, would it be used on Aish?

Hmmm to think we could have a showdown of Aish V Ebert - Mouth watering.

Who would have thought those names would still be talked about back in the early 80s.

 

[mattymac]

Not to trawl over old ground, but a club giving up Pick 2 hasn't happened too often lately from memory. It finally does in a year where there are South Aussie A-listers around as well, plus we've got players prepared to move... and our hands are tied A player + our first rounder would have got it done comfortably.

This has been pissing me off the last few days but for the sake of my sanity I try to block it out. Thanks Trigga

 

[Freomaniac]

We let Griffin go cheaply, as he requested a trade on compassionate grounds to be closer to his ill father.

Ah ok I didnt know that... I knew along the lines he wanted to com back home. But fair enough.

And then the following year he wanted to be traded to Port

Port wanted to try and get him for free as well.

 

[Allefgib]

I wish we had mods who could move all this crap to its own thread. I couldn't care less about this back and forth.

Chuck a report on it mate. I can't read everything.

 

[mulz]

normally id agree we have very little chance at getting pick 2 in any given trading period with a vince + Henderson type deal , but this year im not so sure, Melbourne are desperate for some decent players, I haven't seen such a basketcase of a club since Fitzroy.

imo I think the pick 2 will be traded, and it will be traded cheap this season. melbourne know they will be probably have a top 2 pick again next season.

 

[rossi]

normally id agree we have very little chance at getting pick 2 in any given trading period with a vince + Henderson type deal , but this year im not so sure, Melbourne are desperate for some decent players, I haven't seen such a basketcase of a club since Fitzroy.

imo I think the pick 2 will be traded, and it will be traded cheap this season. melbourne know they will be probably have a top 2 pick again next season.

It's counter intuitive to say that Melbourne want players for a quick improvement but then they expect to have a top 2 pick again next year.

I agree that they want to improve quickly but I doubt they're expecting to be bottom 2 if they make these trades.

 

[rossi]

While I'm posting, mods why can't I like posts? I'm pretty sure Chief, the most stable genius, has it in for me.