Training 2017/2018 Pre-season Thread

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

If Tex is out of the moon boot then that is wonderful news!
And Pyke would be an unprofessional coach if he says "yeah player X is definitely in for round 1, he's killing it with all the preseason running and drills!" Then player X goes on to have 2 stinkers in JLT games...

Oh, I agree that's good news about Tex, but it wasn't a massive surprise. Unless it's something like an snapped Achilles, a week or so in the moon boot is normally as long as they are worn for. It's just there to isolate those muscles and stop them from being put as much stress as possible.

Coaches almost never pot their players in the media, and certainly not in pieces like this where Pyke would have been given the questions well in advance, so could carefully craft his response. The exception to this would be if it was a particular player that the coach knew would respond well to being publically criticised.

For example, despite what Pyke said about him "looking good", I fully expect CEY to play 0 senior games this year and be delisted at the end of the year.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Hahaha you really are Alex.

Condolences to your poor widow.

Haha, you beat me to it!

 

[John Who]

Oh, I agree that's good news about Tex, but it wasn't a massive surprise. Unless it's something like an snapped Achilles, a week or so in the moon boot is normally as long as they are worn for. It's just there to isolate those muscles and stop them from being put as much stress as possible.

Coaches almost never pot their players in the media, and certainly not in pieces like this where Pyke would have been given the questions well in advance, so could carefully craft his response. The exception to this would be if it was a particular player that the coach knew would respond well to being publically criticised.

For example, despite what Pyke said about him "looking good", I fully expect CEY to play 0 senior games this year and be delisted at the end of the year.

We can hypothesise and expect all we want, but it will count for nought unless the players perform in the JLT series and the early rounds to assure selection for the rest of the year. CEY is one of those that is a borderline case that I dont see why he can't improve this year.

 

[Geoffa32]

I moved from Adelaide to the goldy 15 years ago and started following the NRL and supporting the Brisbane broncos.. and ive noticed one or two things in following both codes... NRL players seem to recover from injury faster than their AFL counterparts.. be it knees, shoulders, ankles or feet..

Today it’s been reveiled broncos player Andrew McCullogh May be fit and ready for NRL round one in a couple of weeks after last year at the end of July suffering a terrible knee injury.. I remember the game and the injury as his team mate 110kg Adam Blair fell across his leg busting both his anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) and medial collateral ligament (MCL). It loooked terrible and I remember thinking as I watched it, and as an AFL fan, gee that’s one of the worst I’ve seen he’s gone for atleast all of this year and most of next. But articles over the next few days at the time were quoted as saying of his up and coming reconstruction surgery “The rehabilitation time for such an injury will give him some chance of being ready to return around the start of the 2018 NRL season.”

And here it is 7-8 months later and he’s pushing to be fit for round one in a couple of weeks.. and he’s knees fine..

The pressure on NRL players knees, especially players who play in Andrews position, would have to be equal to or worse than that of and AFL player given they run in fast short bursts and do side to side dodging and weaving in play getting tackled below the waste and quite often by a couple of players at a once from different angles.

How do they seem to come back from injury faster?..

Several articles on his recovery mention the use of an anti gravity treadmill and I take it the AFL players use them too..

I’ve probably dribbled a bit here and maybe in the wrong thread but I just find it interesting, especially in light of Brodie Smiths predicament, that NRL players seem to spend less time on the sidelines when injured..

Do League players have stronger quad and calf muscles than AFL guys?

Remeber when Libba did his knee? Yes it was a different era, but his recovery was phenomenally quick. He also had tree trunks for quads and was a very compact muscular physique. A shorter version of what I picture most league guys to be.

League players also don't need to be abke to jump and land as much as AFL guys. I believe that at 7 to 8 months Smithers will be doing all running and most contact drills at training. Which is essentially all a League player does. To play Aussie Rules you also need to be able to jump and land and that puts a different strain on the knee. I wonder if that could also be part of the time difference.

I believe all AFL clubs have Anti gravity treadmills.

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[azza77]

It's ridiculous to suggest he only delivers 1 stat.

Just ridiculous after all this time you think his only contribution is to kick goals.

The beauty of our forward line has been having many dangerous options who gel as a team to usually kick big winning scores.

To suggest anyone can just come in a replace a JJ or a Lynch as suggested yesterday is silly talk.

I never said anything about Lynch. I’ve been a fan of Lynch for a very long time, more so than most.

I’d love to know what else it is that JJ brings to our side, other than ride off the back of everyone’s else’s good work.

When was the last time Jenkins actually beat his direct opponent 1v1 for the day? When was the last time Jenkins actually created a whole host of goal scoring opportunities for his team mates? When was the last time Jenkins actually won out in the ruck?

 

[MRB37]

I never said anything about Lynch. I’ve been a fan of Lynch for a very long time, more so than most.

I’d love to know what else it is that JJ brings to our side, other than ride off the back of everyone’s else’s good work.

When was the last time Jenkins actually beat his direct opponent 1v1 for the day? When was the last time Jenkins actually created a whole host of goal scoring opportunities for his team mates? When was the last time Jenkins actually won out in the ruck?

He's done OK 1-1 against teams like St Kilda and Western Bulldogs who play with a smaller backline. His issue isn't that he can't beat bigger guys, it's that he chooses not to even try and try and beat them for speed, where he doesn't have a problem standing up to an opponent who weights 15kgs less than him. He's 7th for score involvements and 8th for goal assists on the team, so a bit much to say he doesn't create opportunities for his team mates. Just need to look at Eddie's goal of the year contender.

 

[skam85]

If we have a TTP issue (which I doubt), then you shed other mid paid players which are not as crucial to the team, which we have plenty of.

oh we definitely have a TTP issue at the moment, it's a pain to find a park with all the refurbishments going on!

 

[Sanders]

He's 7th for score involvements and 8th for goal assists on the team,

Out of a forward line of how many?

 

[phill5158]

Found it really interesting that we have won more games than Hawthorn since 1997 but yet have nothing to show for it and very close the amount of wins Sydney have had in this time. Although with Sydney since 1997 we have amazingly won the same amount of premierships considering the amount of success they have had. Just thought I'd share that

 

[MRB37]

Out of a forward line of how many?

And? The claim is he doesn't do these things which he clearly does. He averaged more score involvements than Charlie and .3 behind McGovern, guess they don't do anything to help the team either.

 

[beartoo]

And? The claim is he doesn't do these things which he clearly does. He averaged more score involvements than Charlie and .3 behind McGovern, guess they don't do anything to help the team either.

The idea that JJ is not good value in our forward line is laughable. Some of his little gives are great. Never forget him, under immense pressure, pushing the ball forward enabling Petrenko to kick the winner against North. There are quite a few more that will be in his highlights package.

 

[Geoffa32]

The only knock on JJ is bus lack of physical presence. And it is a big issue.

He is a big man and needs to realise that he can do some real damage in a contested situation that will help his team mates out.

Unfortunately that realisation has not happened yet and when other teams take away the space he wants to work with he is a non entity, ie the Grand Final.

Given how great he is with the quick ball movement and positioning it is a shame he can't get that final part of his game together.

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[CROWS84]

Thinking Alex Keath could be this forward presence that we're after. Liked his work up forward in the AFLX, albeit Mickey mouse comp, but thought his leading patterns looked good. Likes more of the physical stuff too. We would have to run with either him or Jerka though, not both.

 

[Bearded Clam]

The idea that JJ is not good value in our forward line is laughable. Some of his little gives are great. Never forget him, under immense pressure, pushing the ball forward enabling Petrenko to kick the winner against North. There are quite a few more that will be in his highlights package.

It’s not only laughable but at times it’s pathetic... the way some carry on you’d think he was the crows version of Vickery...

Sure he’s got his cons but they are well out weighed by his pros IMO.

One of those cons is his physicality.. well you’d have to think the criticism of him from the public for his performance in the grand final would’ve stung him badly... most of it was justified but the crows didn’t exactlylose because of JJ..

So let’s just wait and see how he responds this year... I reacon the stinging criticism will make him put in a lot of effort into improving on that missing physical side of his game.

I a big fan of JJ and I find it hilarious that some crows supporters aren’t given that as our third best forward he has kicked over 100 goals for us and been up there for goal assists in the past two seasons...
but I am willing to put that on the line and join those that aren’t if he doesn’t markedly improve this physical side of his game by season’s end. If he doesn’t I will start calling for him to be replaced by one of our up and coming youngsters like himmelburg, dear or the fog next year..

This year is make or break for JJ.. bring the pain or be dropped to the SANFL!

 

[baldandbroke]

I never said anything about Lynch. I’ve been a fan of Lynch for a very long time, more so than most.

I’d love to know what else it is that JJ brings to our side, other than ride off the back of everyone’s else’s good work.

When was the last time Jenkins actually beat his direct opponent 1v1 for the day? When was the last time Jenkins actually created a whole host of goal scoring opportunities for his team mates? When was the last time Jenkins actually won out in the ruck?

Look at what the opposition think of JJ ... who do they "send" to him?

 

[Scorpus]

Sure he’s got his cons but they are well out weighed by his pros IMO.

His cons are that he plays like shit in finals, which significantly outweighs his pros (he plays well in low-pressure favorable-matchup H&A games)

 

[ad victoriam]

I never said anything about Lynch. I’ve been a fan of Lynch for a very long time, more so than most.

I’d love to know what else it is that JJ brings to our side, other than ride off the back of everyone’s else’s good work.

When was the last time Jenkins actually beat his direct opponent 1v1 for the day? When was the last time Jenkins actually created a whole host of goal scoring opportunities for his team mates? When was the last time Jenkins actually won out in the ruck?

That would have been against Geelong on the 22nd Sept 2017.

 

[Bearded Clam]

His cons are that he plays like shit in finals, which significantly outweighs his pros (he plays well in low-pressure favorable-matchup H&A games)

Played pretty darn good in the Prelim... and their are plenty of other Crows that have played poor finals games in recent times.. Tex is one...

 

[MRB37]

His cons are that he plays like shit in finals, which significantly outweighs his pros (he plays well in low-pressure favorable-matchup H&A games)

He can play well in pressure game, he was terrific in the low scoring scrappy game against Carlton at the G for example and was busting a gut to tackle and pressure. His issue is all mental, he'd gotten the rocket prior to that game and was warned he needed to do better. It's probably something Pyke needs to be on top of with him and not be afraid to demote him if he doesn't do it.

 

[John Who]

Why is every predictions thread always end up being about JJ??
Leave the poor guy alone!

 

[Elite Crow]

Why is every predictions thread always end up being about JJ??
Leave the poor guy alone!

That’s a good idea for a thread!

But us posting about him doesn’t affect Josh unless he reads it and that’s his choice if he does.

 

[conVINCEd]

Brad Crouch and Gallucci now added to the injuiry list...

 

[John Who]

^^ that was my attempt-at-being-funny response.

Here's my analytical response regarding JJ:
I think the main problem is that people see a big bodied AFL player and they automatically assume that player should be doing bash and crash. The small bodied players should use their speed and save the bash and crash for the bigger bodied players to deal some damage.

However, in the real sporting world, small players can be slow as hell and use more the bash and crash style of play. Conversely, some big players like to use their speed as an advantage without doing much of the crash and bash. From my years of observation, JJ is the kind of player who uses his height and speed as an advantage, not the bash and crash style. Furthermore, if he does the bumping and bruising play, his speed would be affected, and this would then nullify his advantage in outrunning the defenders.

 

[beartoo]

Brad Crouch and Gallucci now added to the injuiry list...

FFS not BOM again. Where did you see this. Nothing on web site or Facebook.

 

[John Who]

Brad Crouch and Gallucci now added to the injuiry list...

Might help also if you can include what type of injuries..?