Game Day 2017 National Draft

[F_therest]

B: Howe ~ Dunn ~ Goldsack
HB:Maynard~ Lever~ Scharenberg

Not to mention the fact Dunn and Goldsack are both 30 and won't be around that much longer.

Lever and Howe both in defence makes perfect sense...both quite athletic and good at intercepting.
You need at least 2 quality KPD's to build the defence around...1 isn't enough.

 

[F_therest]

Pick 13 is an average pick for a team on top for a player who they have developed for a few years and he looks like he will be a future all Australian.

I wouldnt give Lever up for 2 first round picks. We know what he can do but for all we know those two first round picks could be absoloute duds.

I hate when draft picks are thrown for stars. Why would someone trade a star for risk in the draft?

If we want Lever we would have top give up a gun who is around his age and looks to have similar promise to him which is none because we don't have anyone that good sadly. Possibly De Goey but he won't be a enough for Adelaide to accept the deal.

So you would trade De Goey as part of a deal for Lever?

I think it would be better to trade this years first, as De Goey already has a few years of development into him and looks a good prospect.
But if push came to shove you'd probably have to do it for the sake of list balance.

 

[Matt_352]

goo off limits

 

[DaicosianMarvels]

So you would trade De Goey as part of a deal for Lever?

I think it would be better to trade this years first, as De Goey already has a few years of development into him and looks a good prospect.
But if push came to shove you'd probably have to do it for the sake of list balance.

De Goey is going to be my favorite player, I love the guy!

He is a midfielder who will be a star and Lever is key back who in my eyes is already a star but he will get better. I am just throwing up DeGoey because he is the best young player after Moore coming through on our list in my opinion. Moore is the only key forward we have that looks like becoming a superstar.

If Lever nominated Collingwood and Adelaide accepted DeGoey, Adelaide lose that trade big time. No one will accept a first round pick for a star young player and for people that say certain players are off limits, I hope the club doesn't think like that. Every player has their price and the two that would be the closest to off limits would be Moore and Pendlebury, everyone should be traded for the right deal. We have one of the worst lists in the AFL and the worst skilled side. Our future with key defenders is looking worse than any other AFL club and it's sad to look at the names that start FB and CHB for us these days.

I don't care if we over pay for a good young key defender. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and do it and I think we are in the situation where that might need to happen. You wont be able to do it with a first round pick on it's own or another promising star mid. If we were to get Lever we would have to give up more than what we gave up for Treloar that's for sure.

 

[Quicky]

B: Howe ~ Dunn ~ Goldsack
HB:Maynard~ Lever~ Scharenberg

Lever is not a centre half back. There isn't a player in that back six I'd be comfortable would beat a small forward consistently. It would struggle to mop up the ball when it hits ground level. The balance is out of whack.

 

[Quicky]

Not to mention the fact Dunn and Goldsack are both 30 and won't be around that much longer.

Lever and Howe both in defence makes perfect sense...both quite athletic and good at intercepting.
You need at least 2 quality KPD's to build the defence around...1 isn't enough.

Lever and Howe are both third tall intercept defenders. Neither are key defenders. That would mean you likely play two key defenders plus Howe and Lever. And that's not accounting for Scharenberg. What that does is makes you very strong in the air but very vulnerable on the ground. We would continue to get killed by teams with decent small forwards. That defensive balance is really poor.

 

[Scodog10]

Pick 13 is an average pick for a team on top for a player who they have developed for a few years and he looks like he will be a future all Australian.

I wouldnt give Lever up for 2 first round picks. We know what he can do but for all we know those two first round picks could be absoloute duds.

I hate when draft picks are thrown for stars. Why would someone trade a star for risk in the draft?

If we want Lever we would have top give up a gun who is around his age and looks to have similar promise to him which is none because we don't have anyone that good sadly. Possibly De Goey but he won't be a enough for Adelaide to accept the deal.

I have to be honest I'm really not a big fan of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Moving JDG in a deal for Lever is a sideways step because he offers us something different through the middle. He's the burst midfielder we haven't had in my time supporting the club and the most like Martin that's come through the system in the past 7 drafts.

For us to involve players in that sort of deal we should be playing it smarter and look to shift blokes that are either a) overrated externally (Steele) or b) contribute to the sameness of our midfield (Adams). As it stands both would hold equal or better value than JDG because he's underrated externally, IMO, due mainly to his lack of exposure through the middle.

Signing Rockliff, trading out one of the above two and going with a KPF in the draft offers much more value. Reason being we replace a quality mid like for like plus get the defensive and forward upgrades we need. Unfortunately signing Rockliff and moving on JDG wouldn't be like for like.

Lever and Howe are both third tall intercept defenders. Neither are key defenders. That would mean you likely play two key defenders plus Howe and Lever. And that's not accounting for Scharenberg. What that does is makes you very strong in the air but very vulnerable on the ground. We would continue to get killed by teams with decent small forwards. That defensive balance is really poor.

If his head is in it 2018 is the time to move Howe up onto a wing. He has the tank, is creative, his ball use is above average and no one will match him in the air. It's a more logical move than forward because he likes to be in the action and it also allows us to throw WHE more easily. He and Maynard on each wing is a tantalising proposition if we can add Lever down back and both Shaz and Clangdon get full pre-seasons in.

 

[Apex36]

Fogarty more of a stringer/gunston type isnt he ?
Brander better suited to defence apparently :/

Fogarty is 194cm, will likely measure in taller by the time combine rolls around. He's already taller than both Gunston and Stringer, but he's versatile enough to play anywhere, including KPF.

 

[jdpie]

I have to be honest I'm really not a big fan of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Moving JDG in a deal for Lever is a sideways step because he offers us something different through the middle. He's the burst midfielder we haven't had in my time supporting the club and the most like Martin that's come through the system in the past 7 drafts.

For us to involve players in that sort of deal we should be playing it smarter and look to shift blokes that are either a) overrated externally (Steele) or b) contribute to the sameness of our midfield (Adams). As it stands both would hold equal or better value than JDG because he's underrated externally, IMO, due mainly to his lack of exposure through the middle.

Signing Rockliff, trading out one of the above two and going with a KPF in the draft offers much more value. Reason being we replace a quality mid like for like plus get the defensive and forward upgrades we need. Unfortunately signing Rockliff and moving on JDG wouldn't be like for like.



If his head is in it 2018 is the time to move Howe up onto a wing. He has the tank, is creative, his ball use is above average and no one will match him in the air. It's a more logical move than forward because he likes to be in the action and it also allows us to throw WHE more easily. He and Maynard on each wing is a tantalising proposition if we can add Lever down back and both Shaz and Clangdon get full pre-seasons in.

So much goodness here Sco but i have never reconciled your running "trade out Steele" commentary. His low is still better than the bottom 8 in our 22. He always runs defensively (often the only mid / wing that does). He always looks to the whole of the ground when in possession. We have now had 8 pretty solid years from him and i am not certain anything we get is going to offset the loss over the next 5 years.
The Maynard to wing suggestion is a beauty.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

De Goey is going to be my favorite player, I love the guy!

He is a midfielder who will be a star and Lever is key back who in my eyes is already a star but he will get better. I am just throwing up DeGoey because he is the best young player after Moore coming through on our list in my opinion. Moore is the only key forward we have that looks like becoming a superstar.

If Lever nominated Collingwood and Adelaide accepted DeGoey, Adelaide lose that trade big time. No one will accept a first round pick for a star young player and for people that say certain players are off limits, I hope the club doesn't think like that. Every player has their price and the two that would be the closest to off limits would be Moore and Pendlebury, everyone should be traded for the right deal. We have one of the worst lists in the AFL and the worst skilled side. Our future with key defenders is looking worse than any other AFL club and it's sad to look at the names that start FB and CHB for us these days.

I don't care if we over pay for a good young key defender. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet and do it and I think we are in the situation where that might need to happen. You wont be able to do it with a first round pick on it's own or another promising star mid. If we were to get Lever we would have to give up more than what we gave up for Treloar that's for sure.

Lol, absolute rubbish, he's had 3 hamstring scares this year alone and you think he's worth 2 high draft picks? And not to mention he's not even a bloody key defender lol.

 

[Scodog10]

So much goodness here Sco but i have never reconciled your running "trade out Steele" commentary. His low is still better than the bottom 8 in our 22. He always runs defensively (often the only mid / wing that does). He always looks to the whole of the ground when in possession. We have now had 8 pretty solid years from him and i am not certain anything we get is going to offset the loss over the next 5 years.
The Maynard to wing suggestion is a beauty.

I want to stress this is all conditional on wanting to acquire Lever and it's the draft thread so we're getting off topic.

IMO, Steele represents the best value of all the guys that I would deem expendable. I think many externally would be shocked to see his name on the trade table and would give handsomely to acquire his services (GC would give pick 4 because they'll lose Ablett). That to me presents an opportunity for us.

I think most would agree that there's an imbalance between KPP and ground level players on our list, yeah? That says to me we need to move a player from one group to gain access to a player from the other group. I'd put the value of the guys I view as expendable as this:

Sidebottom: B to B+ to us. A to A- externally. Basically a guy that gives you all round good service, but the odd top line match.

Adams: B to us. B- to C externally. Good accumulator that burns it too much to ever be highly rated.

JDG: B+ to B to us. C externally. Up and coming talent with off field issues. Trade him now and you'll get burnt in the future.

Scharenberg: B- to C to us. C to C- externally. The big investment in him pick and salary wise means we can't trade him now unless he wants out.

Langdon: C to us. B- externally. He's the only other player that I believe we'd get overs on, but he's still too young to willingly trade.

Guys like Wells, Pendles, Aish, Broomhead, WHE and Treloar aren't worth discussing because their value is inconsequential, our investment is too large or they're at a point in their career that you wouldn't bother with it.

The second reason I view him as expendable is that at some stage of his career I expect he'll do a Beams quad or Oxley hipgroin...

All in all this is just my view and I don't believe the club would be remotely interested in trading him so he'll be around for at least a further 6-8 years!

 

[TheSierBear]

Low key trade period this year. Have a bit of continuity going into 2018. Noah Balta is a must on name alone. Like most posters in this thread I really have no idea about this draft having only watched a few highlights.

I think we will end up with pick 5, keep it and use it on a KPP. If Lever isn't a KPP than don't trade the pic for him. Nail pick 5 McCarthy comes on than we have a spine that is developing well.

 

[jackcass]

I'd say he's a second rounder. Potentially but I'd say they will have a better idea when trade week roles around. If he has a bumper finals they might need it in case they are forced to pay more than expected and they lose their next pick/drops right down.

My main goal would be to trade into the 2018 R1.

If there's a risk someone might force their hand on Naish then they'd be better off trading for a lower pick so that they could still get a selection in before any bids came. Then they could still use later picks for Naish.

 

[HFF]

Did anyone see the article on the AFL website showing the number of people and structures of every AFL clubs recruiting teams/network.

We are one of the most resources clubs in the country yet our core team is "thin" and we are stockpiled with part timers all over the place.
Not to mention the team we have is a whole bunch of "no names"- led by Derek Hine who has fallen off a cliff in recent years.

It's quite laughable.

 

[Prochard123]

Lever is not a centre half back. There isn't a player in that back six I'd be comfortable would beat a small forward consistently. It would struggle to mop up the ball when it hits ground level. The balance is out of whack.

There will always be different setups against different teams. This one in particular would be against Brisbane/Richmond/Fremantle/Hawthorn/Bulldogs

 

[loki04]

Not to mention the fact Dunn and Goldsack are both 30 and won't be around that much longer.

Lever and Howe both in defence makes perfect sense...both quite athletic and good at intercepting.
You need at least 2 quality KPD's to build the defence around...1 isn't enough.

McClarty will be a decent FB he's coming along nicely in the VFL.

 

[TheSierBear]

Out of the highlights I like Balta the best. McClarty at full back. Balta at CHB, I reckon Balta looks the goods, much prefer him of Branden and he's not far at all behind Sutherland in my estimations. Don't know about you's all.

 

[jackcass]

Did anyone see the article on the AFL website showing the number of people and structures of every AFL clubs recruiting teams/network.

We are one of the most resources clubs in the country yet our core team is "thin" and we are stockpiled with part timers all over the place.
Not to mention the team we have is a whole bunch of "no names"- led by Derek Hine who has fallen off a cliff in recent years.

It's quite laughable.

Yet we seem to maintain 1 of the largest national identification networks with a P/T manager in every state and about 15 P/T spotters. Seems a reasonable trade off to have more resources at the coal face rather than at the HC.

 

[TradeDraft]

Would anyone be surprised if we took Jack Higgins?

I mean, he's a midfielder. Small. Doesn't fit our needs. Plays for Oakleigh.

and Plays for the Oakleigh Chargers where lately we like to Draft From and we have a Connections with him./

But we don't need another Midget

 

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and Plays for the Oakleigh Chargers where lately we like to Draft From and we have a Connections with him./

But we don't need another Midget

I mentioned Oakleigh. The fact he's short means he's twice as likely for us to recruit.

 

[Baird]

I mentioned Oakleigh. The fact he's short means he's twice as likely for us to recruit.

Hope so

 

[unplugged]

Hope so

Do you want Higgins?

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

goo off limits

No he is not. He is certainly available if the deal involves a key position player of similar potential.

Having said that, i'll shop Turnover Adams to other teams first before De Goey name is mentioned.

 

[Baird]

Do you want Higgins?

I Wouldn't be upset if Hine drafted him, but it's unlikely anyway

 

[legendstatus]

Don't think it's the amount of resources available, more so the calibre of our selections or inability to recognise a gem after the first round.


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