We never beat the hawks anywhere. Don't get the negativity, we have the easiest draw. Think some of us need to harden up a bit.
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SHill Shall
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To steal from Scotland The Brave - Those days are gone now. And in the past, they shall remain.
Lyon couldn’t get his team’s anywhere near Clarkson mob. Even when we were serious challengers!
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Last time we opened a season at Docklands was in 2016 when we got smashed by the Bulldogs and went a step into starting the rebuild that day. Pair of opening games at Docklands to start and finish the rebuild?
Yeah we set a record that night of the biggest contested ball advantage in a loss IIRC. Better forward targets and ball movement we end up winning that game. Should still have an advantage in contested ball against them, certainly a game we can win
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s**t lets forfeit now then !!!
10th, with the eagles in 9th - not perfect, but I could handle that
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If we play as well as I know we can play, I reckon we could win at least 4 out of the first 6 games.
Hobart is much better than a Launceston game. Perth to Hobart is a direct flight. Playing in Launceston is a 2 flight trip via Melbourne.
We won't get a lot of prime time footy until we are a team that gets good TV ratings.
To do that we need footy fans across the country who are interested in us.
That takes years of consistent winning footy. If you can sustain that for long enough you get rusted on fans across generations.
Which is why Carlton still rate through an extended lean period.
To do that we need footy fans across the country who are interested in us.
That takes years of consistent winning footy. If you can sustain that for long enough you get rusted on fans across generations.
Which is why Carlton still rate through an extended lean period.
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Just saw the Alcock interview. If he was any more supine he'd be dead. What a dud president
So given the AFL deems us on the same competition brand standard as the Gold Coast, I'm looking forward to having extra draft picks allocated to us for the next three years.
I don't actually give a s**t about these 'prime-time' slots, but it's pretty weird that the AFL are happy to completely ignore the best player in the comp, the player that at the moment will actually get kids playing the game that parents would want them to emulate..... but the AFL are just stoked with the bloke that threatened to stab a woman with chopsticks.
I don't actually give a s**t about these 'prime-time' slots, but it's pretty weird that the AFL are happy to completely ignore the best player in the comp, the player that at the moment will actually get kids playing the game that parents would want them to emulate..... but the AFL are just stoked with the bloke that threatened to stab a woman with chopsticks.
Exactly, we really are one of the lowest priority clubs in the AFL.
Our attendances are strong regardless and we'll only ever draw a limited TV audience. However, it might be a good time to finish on top of the ladder given the AFL has bet heavily against us.
Our attendances are strong regardless and we'll only ever draw a limited TV audience. However, it might be a good time to finish on top of the ladder given the AFL has bet heavily against us.
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One good thing about it is it forces JLo, Carr and co to make our game plan more exciting.
Our brand has been seriously damaged over the last few years. We need to get better on the field obviously but we also need to be much better at promoting our brand outside the on field results.
It’s a tough job for our marketing, media and PR people but with the help of JLo, Garlick, Fyfe and Alcock (and no Bennell) it should be easier than it has in the past.
It’s a tough job for our marketing, media and PR people but with the help of JLo, Garlick, Fyfe and Alcock (and no Bennell) it should be easier than it has in the past.
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Gil having his nuts being squeezed by some tv executives is not an ideal basis for determining your game plan.
We are less relevant than any club as Tayl0r said. And I don't see anything publicly being done about it. One hopes Alcock is going apeshit behind the scenes. I doubt he is
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I don't really think an AFL coach is going to formulate a game plan based on whether or not a team gets Friday night appearances, and the AFL Fixture isn't determined on whether a team is "boring to watch" or not either. And very few footy folks are in any way concerned about "our brand" other than Freo supporters. There aren't many people in Victoria or NSW who are suddenly going to start following Freo if we become "exciting" or whatever it is Scham and Co think makes people follow a footy team.
Membership numbers grew during the early Lyon years because we were winning. It's that bloody simple. They didn't drop because "Ross Lyon" Footy, and they didn't drop because "winning ugly". They grew, because Freo were winning. And they dropped again in 2018 because we were losing.
It's going very little to do with game style, and the AFL know that very well.
Personally, I tend to analyse a fixture based more on travel and other concrete factors rather than where the opposition finished on last years ladder, or if they beat us last time. New players, new coach, and every year a former easybeat becomes not so much, or last years finalist drops down the ladder.
The only thing I want to know is how often we have to play in bloody Tasmania (because it's us, every year) and/or NSW, not to mention Darwin, Alice or wherever else they're going to put on a show using the team the AFL are least worried about in the comp because we have money and supporters regardless of performance, and don't need any propping up.
Membership numbers grew during the early Lyon years because we were winning. It's that bloody simple. They didn't drop because "Ross Lyon" Footy, and they didn't drop because "winning ugly". They grew, because Freo were winning. And they dropped again in 2018 because we were losing.
It's going very little to do with game style, and the AFL know that very well.
Personally, I tend to analyse a fixture based more on travel and other concrete factors rather than where the opposition finished on last years ladder, or if they beat us last time. New players, new coach, and every year a former easybeat becomes not so much, or last years finalist drops down the ladder.
The only thing I want to know is how often we have to play in bloody Tasmania (because it's us, every year) and/or NSW, not to mention Darwin, Alice or wherever else they're going to put on a show using the team the AFL are least worried about in the comp because we have money and supporters regardless of performance, and don't need any propping up.
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That's not true. Travis Auld explicitly said the exciting brand of footy Brisbane and the Bulldogs play was a factor in giving them primetime slots, and that they're letting clubs know there's a correlation between the way they play and primetime slots.
Relevant piece: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...ive-coverage/edc56d4687258f9ba09c45a702e49ed9
"The league handed the Dogs five Friday night games and the Lions four Thursday and Friday night games as a direct result of their attractive football in 2019.
Both teams had only one prime time game this year, but fixturing boss Travis Auld is hopeful it is an incentive for teams to score more and move the ball quickly.
He admits there is a risk in handing 16 teams at least one Thursday or Friday night game, with the Suns and Fremantle the only teams to be handed a prime time blackout.
Richmond and Collingwood still lead the charge with eight prime time clashes, but the spread of teams with a Thursday or Friday night clash is the highest since 2011.
"You look at the Bulldogs and Brisbane, they play an exciting style of football and fans like that and you see that through audiences, there is a direct correlation," he said.
"We have been really clear with clubs that you will see a correlation between the way you play and access to those big prime slots and that creates some prioritisation within clubs themselves and it’s exciting to see it play out.""
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So perhaps Fremantle falls into the group that is on the other end of that.
We exist, our results don't particularly matter except for if they begin to influence the club's ability to provide most of the funding for it's own operation.
West Coast, Adelaide, Fremantle, Port Adelaide would all fall into that basket. The AFL doesn't really care what happens with these clubs.
Brisbane and Sydney need results but not as much as their little brothers who need results and cost a fortune.
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I definitely agree the AFL doesn't care about any of the clubs you named alongside us. My main point is that beyond the usual prime-time concessions for the big-4 and to allow Vic fans to watch their clubs the AFL have said they're taking gamestyle into account for who gets primetime fixtures. Which is why Brisbane and the Bulldogs have a disproportionate number of primetime games; because they're percieved as exciting to watch.
The AFL doesn't really care about us, but they do care about how their fixtures promote engagement with the game. If we can show ourselves to be a good commodity we'll get some slots.
Travis Auld's comments about giving prime time games to "teams that play exciting footy" is AFL speak for promoting their agenda of looking after the VFL teams and project teams in developing markets. They decide what suits them and make up some utensil and bull story to cover it.
Have to disagree with that, Bulldogs aren't part of the VFL you talk about. The AFL and general Victorian population don't give s s**t about Dogs/North or Saints. They get the spots on the back of their 2019 play.
They even treated us like crap when we were good . Who else has been forced to play a final At Kardinya park?
