List Mgmt. 2020 Young Talent time

[Freomaniac]

TBF in the last few years have we grabbed a Vic where there was a better suited WA player?

We grabbed Logue in 2016, who was a WA boy.

We were looking for mids in the first round of 2017, and there wasn't a WA option in the top 5.

2018 I think Sturt over Hill was a very good choice, going by Sturt's first game.

2019 I think the only realistic argument is Robertson over Serong, but given how highly Serong was rated pre-draft he's effectively a steal at that pick, while Robertson would probably have been a reach.

I have posted Many times that our 1st round picks from 2007-13 have not been the best of times....

Saying that, for some strange reason the 1st round picks in that 2007-13 period were either average players, injury prone or had off field or attitude problems.

You look back.

2007: Rhys Palmer at pick 7. had a good 1st year. Won the Rising star award. Then got injuries and went to gws for 5 years and ended his career at Carlton. He still forged a 10 year career and was a solid player.

2008: Stephen hill at pick 3. He is still on our list and got 200 games out of him. Sadly he is injury prone.

2009: Anthony Morabito at pick 4. Was an exciting mid with pace. Had that very good debut season in 2010 then is out for 3 years with various injuries. Absolutely gutted with how his career went after 2011.

2010: Jayden Pitt. Still haunts us we chose him over Jack Darling

2011: Tom Sheridan at pick 16. He was a serviceable player. He was rotated everywhere from the bench to the wing or forward or back flank. 81 games and 31 goals from 2012-18. I wouldnt declare him a total dud, there has been other players in the top 10 that has played less than 80 games.

2012: Josh Simpson at pick 17. This also had me gutted. At least with Morabito, his excuses was injuries. Josh Simpson had off field and attitude problems. I remember seeing freo drafting him in 2012 and I thought.... Wow, we got another stephen hill. I saw some Highlights of him in the WAFL and I thought he had confidence. Kicked goals from 50 metres out on the run with ease.

2013: Pick 17 with Michael Apeness. I saw the logic of getting him. A key forward/Ruckman. Gutted he had knee injuries too. Even though he was drafted from Victoria, He was born in WA. So you could say we used a 1st rounder on a WA kid. He looked ok in soe dockers games but injuries wrecked him.

 

[blue shark]

Yeo wanted to come to fremantle but we said no

Yep, we missed out on McGovern, Yeo, and also others that had history with Ross. Also should mention Jetta, Cameron from NGA.
WC have done well with local talent, and with how many games they play for their club.

 

[Taylor]

Since 2013 Sheed is a solid WA first rounder, they have also taken Barass, McGovern late. Added Allen, Ryan second rounders, pipped by Cats for Kelly.
Father son Waterman, traded for Yeo, so not many first rounders from here, but second round onwards they seem
to know the score.

Their best 22 is filled with players taken before the second round. We need more priority picks.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

Since 2013 Sheed is a solid WA first rounder, they have also taken Barass, McGovern late. Added Allen, Ryan second rounders, pipped by Cats for Kelly.
Father son Waterman, traded for Yeo, so not many first rounders from here, but second round onwards they seem
to know the score.

We couldn't have grabbed Sheed in 2013, given he went before our pick. (He was 11, we had 17.) We didn't grab Barass, but with our second pick at 37 we grabbed Pearce. Hard to complain too much. McGovern is good now, but came with a lot of issues that WC had to resolve to make him the player he is now.

They picked up Allen and Ryan in 2017, but that was the year we targeted midfielders and we don't have too much to whinge about with our Vic kids (Brayshaw and Cerra.) It's not exactly like WC were targeting WA kids either, given they grabbed Brander before Allen and Ryan.

There's a lot of complaining about not grabbing the WA guys, but I'm not seeing a case being made by anyone regarding who we reasonably should have grabbed with the picks we actually had.

 

[Dockeroo]

We couldn't have grabbed Sheed in 2013, given he went before our pick. (He was 11, we had 17.) We didn't grab Barass, but with our second pick at 37 we grabbed Pearce. Hard to complain too much. McGovern is good now, but came with a lot of issues that WC had to resolve to make him the player he is now.

They picked up Allen and Ryan in 2017, but that was the year we targeted midfielders and we don't have too much to whinge about with our Vic kids (Brayshaw and Cerra.) It's not exactly like WC were targeting WA kids either, given they grabbed Brander before Allen and Ryan.

There's a lot of complaining about not grabbing the WA guys, but I'm not seeing a case being made by anyone regarding who we reasonably should have grabbed with the picks we actually had.

Naughton instead of cerra is probably worth highlighting buts it’s not a clear cut decision either between them. Early days yet. Plus he apparently indicated that he wanted to be drafted to Victoria? Sydney Stack instead of Bewley, Schultz or Tobe Watson also doesn’t look great in hindsight. No guarantee Stack would have flourished in a WA club environment though like he has at the Tigers.

 

[Ysaye]

There is a lot of obsessing about WA talent these last few pages; whilst that is fine I would just remind people that is not how drafting works or indeed should work.

Talent will override any other factor; as has been said by the club before location is a minor factor which really only comes plays some significance when choosing between two players of a similar level. The slight exception maybe NGA talent where there is AFL level talent available eg. I really can't see us not taking Walker (apologises for the double negative).

 

[Walkingwounded]

The slight exception maybe NGA talent where there is AFL level talent available eg. I really can't see us not taking Walker (apologises for the double negative).

Ysaye

If Jack Carroll and Brandon Walker we’re both on the table and we had one pick left. Would you

A: pick Walker
B: pick Carroll
C: pick Carroll and hope Walker slides and is available as a Rookie B.

I have them similarly ranked

 

[Schauermann]

I have posted Many times that our 1st round picks from 2007-13 have not been the best of times....

Saying that, for some strange reason the 1st round picks in that 2007-13 period were either average players, injury prone or had off field or attitude problems.

You look back.

2007: Rhys Palmer at pick 7. had a good 1st year. Won the Rising star award. Then got injuries and went to gws for 5 years and ended his career at Carlton. He still forged a 10 year career and was a solid player.

2008: Stephen hill at pick 3. He is still on our list and got 200 games out of him. Sadly he is injury prone.

2009: Anthony Morabito at pick 4. Was an exciting mid with pace. Had that very good debut season in 2010 then is out for 3 years with various injuries. Absolutely gutted with how his career went after 2011.

2010: Jayden Pitt. Still haunts us we chose him over Jack Darling

2011: Tom Sheridan at pick 16. He was a serviceable player. He was rotated everywhere from the bench to the wing or forward or back flank. 81 games and 31 goals from 2012-18. I wouldnt declare him a total dud, there has been other players in the top 10 that has played less than 80 games.

2012: Josh Simpson at pick 17. This also had me gutted. At least with Morabito, his excuses was injuries. Josh Simpson had off field and attitude problems. I remember seeing freo drafting him in 2012 and I thought.... Wow, we got another stephen hill. I saw some Highlights of him in the WAFL and I thought he had confidence. Kicked goals from 50 metres out on the run with ease.

2013: Pick 17 with Michael Apeness. I saw the logic of getting him. A key forward/Ruckman. Gutted he had knee injuries too. Even though he was drafted from Victoria, He was born in WA. So you could say we used a 1st rounder on a WA kid. He looked ok in soe dockers games but injuries wrecked him.

Dangerfield and B. Grundy missed. R. Lobb instead of Apeness and B. Hill from the start would have been nice, too.

Still think Darling is the biggest miss. We needing a key forward. And he was not only a promising prospect, but a ready made player who played 23 games in a team that made a prelim in his first year.

PS Hill only became injury prone recently. he missed only 19 games in his first 9 years. 2 missed games/year is pretty ok. And in his draft there were few better choices in hindsight. Walters we got anyway and he took some time to become the player he is now. Sidebottom or Hannebery go ok, but I don't midn Hill compared to them.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Dangerfield and B. Grundy missed. R. Lobb instead of Apeness and B. Hill from the start would have been nice, too.

Still think Darling is the biggest miss. We needing a key forward. And he was not only a promising prospect, but a ready made player who played 23 games in a team that made a prelim in his first year.

PS Hill only became injury prone recently. he missed only 19 games in his first 9 years. 2 missed games/year is pretty ok. And in his draft there were few better choices in hindsight. Walters we got anyway and he took some time to become the player he is now. Sidebottom or Hannebery go ok, but I don't midn Hill compared to them.

Dangerfield was a 17 year old that still needed to finish high school at the time he was drafted, it would have been incredibly ballsy for him to be taken over Palmer who nearly won the Larke medal. Would also question whether Grundy would have stayed here had we drafted him

 

[bone2468]

Dangerfield was a 17 year old that still needed to finish high school at the time he was drafted, it would have been incredibly ballsy for him to be taken over Palmer who nearly won the Larke medal. Would also question whether Grundy would have stayed here had we drafted him

Even if Grundy didn’t stay atleast we would of got value for him unlike Simpson who just left

 

[wahooo]

Still think Darling is the biggest miss. We needing a key forward. And he was not only a promising prospect, but a ready made player who played 23 games in a team that made a prelim in his first year.

The only good thing I've seen Darling do on the footy field are his little back flips.

If we're going to harp on about past hits and misses, maybe we should call this thread "1995-2019 Young Talent Time".

 

[Dockeroo]

The only good thing I've seen Darling do on the footy field are his little back flips.

If we're going to harp on about past hits and misses, maybe we should call this thread "1995-2019 Young Talent Time".

Focusing on 2020, it’s likely to be a total lottery if there isn’t some meaningful underage footy played this season. Some absolute bargains could be available later in the draft order, and some absolute duds could be taken in the first round. We just need to ensure we don’t waste a high pick on a spud.
I think there is a case to go a safer option in this draft. Often between picks 10 and 20, teams go for the risky option to try draft a star with a high ceiling.. Sturt looking like he could be an example of this for us.. Grundy and Dangerfield and Fyfe are more recent examples of this too.. on the other side of the coin, Josh Simpson is a similar example of a High risk pick in the teens that went wrong..

 

[ImperialPurple]

Come on people - tongue in cheek. I guess people don’t get my dry and (often) cynical sense of humour. I think maybe I’ll just go with straight posts (difficult being gay) from here on in. However, there is always some truth in humour, how ever badly it’s delivered.

Carry on...

 

[Ysaye]

Ysaye

If Jack Carroll and Brandon Walker we’re both on the table and we had one pick left. Would you

A: pick Walker
B: pick Carroll
C: pick Carroll and hope Walker slides and is available as a Rookie B.

I have them similarly ranked

Assuming (1) there is no one left ahead of the left on the table (2) they are equal as you say before considering NGA and (2) that there is no pick after to grab Walker then (A) Walker because of the NGA status. Else if there is someone higher ranked then we go that person, otherwise Carroll.

 

[Mogumber]

We couldn't have got Sheed that year, as they had the first pick, and he was WA under 18's Captain, who had come out of a good Carnival.
He was always going to be a good player

 

[Taylor]

They started with pick #6 I think, swapped that to Collingwood for an extra pick allowing them to throw off a 2nd for Yeo. Effectively trading #6 for Sheed and Yeo. Sheed has been as vanilla as expected, good honest footballer, what you see is what you get. Nothing wrong with that sort of player at all. Yeo is probably more damaging but he has come from further back.

 

[Dockeroo]

They started with pick #6 I think, swapped that to Collingwood for an extra pick allowing them to throw off a 2nd for Yeo. Effectively trading #6 for Sheed and Yeo. Sheed has been as vanilla as expected, good honest footballer, what you see is what you get. Nothing wrong with that sort of player at all. Yeo is probably more damaging but he has come from further back.

James Aish went at pick 7 that year having been touted as one of the best young players ever to come out of SA in the lead up to the draft. He was actually considered a slider to pick 7 on the night. Acres went at 19 too - we have ended up with two first rounders from that draft on our list for relatively little cost 6 years later..

 

[Walkingwounded]

Assuming (1) there is no one left ahead of the left on the table (2) they are equal as you say before considering NGA and (2) that there is no pick after to grab Walker then (A) Walker because of the NGA status. Else if there is someone higher ranked then we go that person, otherwise Carroll.

I would probably go C, assuming we had a Rookie B slot available ... not sure what I would do if it came to our last pick and Western, Walker and Carroll were all on the table, and only 1 Rookie B spot available.

Reason I would go C is that if I ranked them the same.. we could get Walker as Rookie B, but also Carroll is taller and currently a bit more versatile.

This draft will be interesting in that if they are to reduce list sizes going forward, clubs may not want the longer term development players, but will want the ones that will impacting and be in best 22 within 1 max 2 years.

 

[Freomaniac]

Dangerfield and B. Grundy missed. R. Lobb instead of Apeness and B. Hill from the start would have been nice, too.

Still think Darling is the biggest miss. We needing a key forward. And he was not only a promising prospect, but a ready made player who played 23 games in a team that made a prelim in his first year.

PS Hill only became injury prone recently. he missed only 19 games in his first 9 years. 2 missed games/year is pretty ok. And in his draft there were few better choices in hindsight. Walters we got anyway and he took some time to become the player he is now. Sidebottom or Hannebery go ok, but I don't midn Hill compared to them.

Dangerfield would of been interesting in 2007. But 2007 was unique as 3 WA kids went in the top 10: Chris Masten to west coast at Pick 3, Cale Morton to demons at pick 4 and Rhys Palmer to Freo at pick 7.

Clayton Hinkley was a wasted pick at 24, Tayte Pears was taken at pick 23. Cale Hooker was taken at pick 54 in the 2007 draft too.

Broadie Grundy, As great as he is, I dont think he would of stayed long at freo being Sandis number 2.

Rory Lobb was taken as a 2nd rounder in 2013. Freo could of got him with a late pick in 2012 or early pick in 2013. Fancy that, Some Mature agers can stand out and get taken in the 2nd round.

People talk about tim kelly and why neither west coast or Freo got him earlier. Yeah he stod out in 2017 WAFL season averaging 28 disposals a game. In 2016 he was averaging 20 disposals a game. In 2015 he was averaging 20 disposals a game. So in 2015 and 2016 he didnt stand out. 2017, he averaged 28 disposals a game and kicked 20-25 WAFL goals that season.

You look back at 2011: Freo had pick 29, Alex Forster, a Norwood kid. Joel Hamling, Shane Kersten and Brad Hill were all taken just after. Ironic as all 3 joined freo in the 2016 Trade Period.

Speaking of Norwood in the SANFL, this was around the time a Few Norwood players got drafted in the AFL. It wasnt the teenagers that were picked up, it was those Mature agers aged between 20-25 that were taken.

Paul Puopolo was taken by the hawks in the 2010 draft. Then some of those mature agers that won flags with norwood in that 2012-14 3 peat got drafted in AFL lists. Such as Dean Terlich, Alex Gregoriou, Matthew Panos.


Alex Forster was on our list in 2012-3. Plays one game and returns to Norwood. Plays in the 2014 SANFL flag with Norwood.

James Aish played in the 2012 and 2013 Norwood flags before he got picked up by an AFL club.

 

[Taylor]

Broadie Grundy, As great as he is, I dont think he would of stayed long at freo being Sandis number 2.

Not just Sandi.

In 2013, what would have been Grundy's first season, we had all of Sandilands, Jonathon Griffin, Kepler Bradley, Zac Clarke, Jack Hannath and Craig Moller.

 

[Freomaniac]

Not just Sandi.

In 2013, what would have been Grundy's first season, we had all of Sandilands, Jonathon Griffin, Kepler Bradley, Zac Clarke, Jack Hannath and Craig Moller.

Bingo. It wasnt a bad depth of Rucks.

Sandilands lasted 17-18 years. I have Always been a Jono Griffin fan. He wasnt the best ruckman in history but always busted his gut and tried his hardest. A 24-27 year old Jono Griffin would be a very good 2nd ruck behind a 22 year old Sean Darcy. Zac Clarke looked like an Athlete. Well..... he had a basketball background. Injuries hurt him in the end.

Hannath was a dud. 20 games in 4 years. He was depth. Moller was just a rookie listed player.

 

[Schauermann]

The only good thing I've seen Darling do on the footy field are his little back flips.

At least he was on a footy field.

 

[Lach72]

The only good thing I've seen Darling do on the footy field are his little back flips.

If we're going to harp on about past hits and misses, maybe we should call this thread "1995-2019 Young Talent Time".

Your eyes painted on?

 

[nurries]

Your eyes painted on?

Apparently we have no need for a 2 goal a game forward

 

[Taylor]

If you've ever been disappointed in the club drafting someone with a medical history, you should keep your powder dry over Darling.