List Mgmt. 2022 Trade, Draft, etc thread

[Scythe]

Dory_77 – might be worth pinning this? Gets updated after every move.

 

[demondavey]

If Gawn wants to go forward then he needs to learn how to kick. This awful technique of running to the right simple means one thing; the ball goes there! He needs to direct his body in line with the goal at a minimum. He is not good at FF because he isn’t kick 2-3 goals a game.

 

[LarryDavidNeitz]

Grundy isn't the 'ideal' scenario but it's certainly not illogical. If he gets back into decent form then he'll contribute more than Jackson has this year.

Max isn't getting any younger and he has to stand under a lot of high balls and get clattered into, he could really benefit from a few extra minutes a quarter up forward and even a week off occasionally.

And it's not like we'd be choosing between Grundy or Charlie Curnow

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Charlie Curnow

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

. Whichever key forward we're after will be more of an emerging type who won't be on maximum dollars.

 

[demondavey]

Grundy isn't the 'ideal' scenario but it's certainly not illogical. If he gets back into decent form then he'll contribute more than Jackson has this year.

Max isn't getting any younger and he has to stand under a lot of high balls and get clattered into, he could really benefit from a few extra minutes a quarter up forward and even a week off occasionally.

And it's not like we'd be choosing between Grundy or Charlie Curnow. Whichever key forward we're after will be more of an emerging type who won't be on maximum dollars.

Collingwood can pay the majority of his wage.

 

[schmuttt]

Collingwood can pay the majority of his wage.

Won’t happen, they’ll pay like 30% tops.

 

[Demon 16]

Would we want to commit to 5 years of Grundy? That’s a big contract in itself.

Hopefully there are some performance clauses which enact the last few years.

 

[Daemon]

Just wondering, in this scenario is Yze's leg grafted on from the hip or are we retaining a portion of Gawn's leg and then going from there?

Basically, will Gawn be lopsided?

 

[demondavey]

Won’t happen, they’ll pay like 30% tops.

Is he on a mill? If so we pay $700k for him? No way

 

[Grimesy87]

Would we want to commit to 5 years of Grundy? That’s a big contract in itself.

Hopefully there are some performance clauses which enact the last few years.

There's definitely options. Could theoretically extend his contract for 2 years and put some coaching clause in there, which I think comes under the soft cap not salary cap at that point. If he's leaving Collingwood, he's probably going to have some incentive to get back to his best to prove them wrong (hopefully)

I'm definitely not sold on the idea. I guess we could just have defensive ruck and forward ruck, and they both just sit in their slot when the balls up the opposite end, and that allows us to pick the extra mid, which is pretty much what happens now.

They'd want to do a fair bit better due dilligence than old belly did on hogan though.

 

[Jamurp]

Bring back Hogan, fairytale stuff.

 

[booshboy]

Bring back Hogan, fairytale stuff.

honestly would be a better option than Grundy.

 

[mrmonkey]

If Gawn wants to go forward then he needs to learn how to kick. This awful technique of running to the right simple means one thing; the ball goes there! He needs to direct his body in line with the goal at a minimum. He is not good at FF because he isn’t kick 2-3 goals a game.

You're right but I'm going to nitpick he tends to run right and compensate by hooking left.

Is he on a mill? If so we pay $700k for him? No way

The interview Rendell had on few weeks ago mentioned the money Melbourne had set aside for Jackson is 800k a year so 700k a year for Grundy sounds about right. The price tag doesn't bother me but the 5 year length seems a bit too long.

 

[demondavey]

You're right but I'm going to nitpick he tends to run right and compensate by hooking left.

The interview Rendell had on few weeks ago mentioned the money Melbourne had set aside for Jackson is 800k a year so 700k a year for Grundy sounds about right. The price tag doesn't bother me but the 5 year length seems a bit too long.

If it can help us win a flag, then definitely. So, can Grundy help us win another one?

 

[demondavey]

honestly would be a better option than Grundy.

Agreed

 

[mrmonkey]

If it can help us win a flag, then definitely. So, can Grundy help us win another one?

I think so, but the point is the club want a player to replace Jackson if/when he goes. I'm guessing the club want to keep the 2 ruck combo rather than adjusting for the void Jackson leaves. The positive is that Grundy is all good to take most the load off gawn, which will be better for gawns longevity. Ideally it's better for Jackson to stay but that's looking unlikely.

 

[demondavey]

I think so, but the point is the club want a player to replace Jackson if/when he goes. I'm guessing the club want to keep the 2 ruck combo rather than adjusting for the void Jackson leaves. The positive is that Grundy is all good to take most the load off gawn, which will be better for gawns longevity. Ideally it's better for Jackson to stay but that's looking unlikely.

I am of the mindset that if we somehow manage to win this year, we add Grundy and prolong Gawn and solve a temporary forward hole next year, win another flag, that’s 3 in a row and who gives a hoot about Jackson and his replacement.

 

[mrmonkey]

I am of the mindset that if we somehow manage to win this year, we add Grundy and prolong Gawn and solve a temporary forward hole next year, win another flag, that’s 3 in a row and who gives a hoot about Jackson and his replacement.

Yep would be amazing only time will tell. Not really the same situation but Hawthorn picked up an overweight seemingly ****ed, 30+ year old brian lake at the end of 2012 and he ended up a norm Smith medallist and 3 time premiership player. Grundy who's still under 30 could end up being an amazing pick up or a complete bust there's a gamble, that's what you do when in the window, I trust the club to do their due diligence in regards to his fitness. I thought the Grundy idea was coocoo when it was mooted but since it's more reality I'm coming around.

 

[Topkent]

Heard an interesting stat, Carlton in the last 10 weeks are rated last for goals per inside 50. Even with McKay and Curnow they are super inefficient which confirms even more of what I've been saying. Just getting a half decent key forward and dumping him inside 50 won't fix shit.

 

[SugarHealey]

Grundy isn't the 'ideal' scenario but it's certainly not illogical. If he gets back into decent form then he'll contribute more than Jackson has this year.

Max isn't getting any younger and he has to stand under a lot of high balls and get clattered into, he could really benefit from a few extra minutes a quarter up forward and even a week off occasionally.

And it's not like we'd be choosing between Grundy or Charlie Curnow. Whichever key forward we're after will be more of an emerging type who won't be on maximum dollars.

Max would play 2nd fiddle forward, if Grundy came over. Grundy would be the replacement like for like for lJackson, ruck/rover type.

But the interesting thing I see is Grundy dropping back in support of our defenders, and Max coming up-field to the wing, to support marking the kickouts.
At times we could have two talls across the centreline (in different areas), ready for the outlet kicks.

Maxy would be the foil for Brown, taking much of the defenders heat off him.

Grundy would be 1st ruck.

 

[SugarHealey]

Yep would be amazing only time will tell. Not really the same situation but Hawthorn picked up an overweight seemingly *ed, 30+ year old brian lake at the end of 2012 and he ended up a norm Smith medallist and 3 time premiership player. Grundy who's still under 30 could end up being an amazing pick up or a complete bust there's a gamble, that's what you do when in the window, I trust the club to do their due diligence in regards to his fitness. I thought the Grundy idea was coocoo when it was mooted but since it's more reality I'm coming around.

The dollars would be my sticking point.
I would be wanting the Pies to be contributing substantially $$$, to every season Grundy plays for us. $300,000 seems a round number per season.

 

[SugarHealey]

You're right but I'm going to nitpick he tends to run right and compensate by hooking left.

If he runs to the right, it shows it upsets the trajectory his boot carries along, causing him to muckup his accuracy. He only really runs out to there right to get extra distance. When he's on his limit.

IMO he doesn't need to, and shouldn't do it.

 

[SugarHealey]

Bring back Hogan, fairytale stuff.

Honestly, I'd rather Himmelburg.


The player I want from GWS, is Lachie Ash.

 

[SugarHealey]

Grundy isn't the 'ideal' scenario but it's certainly not illogical. If he gets back into decent form then he'll contribute more than Jackson has this year.

Max isn't getting any younger and he has to stand under a lot of high balls and get clattered into, he could really benefit from a few extra minutes a quarter up forward and even a week off occasionally.

And it's not like we'd be choosing between Grundy or Charlie Curnow. Whichever key forward we're after will be more of an emerging type who won't be on maximum dollars.

I think half of the clubs thinking is, if Maxy does another knee, we're in the shyte shooter.

Grundy doesn't leave us exposed in this scenario.

 

[mrmonkey]

If he runs to the right, it shows it upsets the trajectory his boot carries along, causing him to muckup his accuracy. He only really runs out to there right to get extra distance. When he's on his limit.

IMO he doesn't need to, and shouldn't do it.

He did it from 20 metres out on Friday, if that's his limit we are in trouble. He's had a history of doing it, I do feel he had fixed it but he has reverted back to it more recently. Just run straight at the goals it's not that hard.

 

[SugarHealey]

He did it from 20 metres out on Friday, if that's his limit we are in trouble. He's had a history of doing it, I do feel he had fixed it but he has reverted back to it more recently. Just run straight at the goals it's not that hard.

He started off running to the right last season, when he was out of the f50, going for goal. With the stand rule for players on the mark.
It has spread across his repertoire.

He also had success kicking round the corner when closer to goal.

These things are in his mind now. He should just run in at the goals, depending on any wind.

 

[Topkent]

He did it from 20 metres out on Friday, if that's his limit we are in trouble. He's had a history of doing it, I do feel he had fixed it but he has reverted back to it more recently. Just run straight at the goals it's not that hard.

Its an indictment on the coaching at AFL level. Obviously somewhere in his brain he thinks going around and hitting it a little more side on feels like a better connection with his foot. There's absolutely no guidance with him around keeping a simple ball drop. Ben Browns not that much shorter than him an his kicking action is pure.