List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[GreyCrow]

Dawson and Rankine?

Can't get them every year. Who was available that we were too inept to get? It's one thing to go shopping and another to have the product on the shelf.

Face it, no one worth buying at exorbitant prices was available. No big name players were traded. So is every club a failure. Or is it just Adelaide because we demand a big fish every year.

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Why mention Dawson and Rankine ? Thats mirrors.

I dont know who was available - Petty with 2 years on his contract sure wasnt - he was an afterthought and he definitely wasnt worth 3 top 20 picks

Redman - we had a crack but the email came out after we missed on Redman - so it wasnt him.

Oliver was the one I would have given our top 3 picks to

Listen I understand you need a cuddle and be told there there everything will be ok - but I live in the real world and if you say you will do something I will be extremely disappointed if you fail to follow through

 

[adelaidecrows]

Why mention Dawson and Rankine ? Thats mirrors.

I dont know who was available - Petty with 2 years on his contract sure wasnt - he was an afterthought and he definitely wasnt worth 3 top 20 picks

Redman - we had a crack but the email came out after we missed on Redman - so it wasnt him.

Oliver was the one I would have given our top 3 picks to

Listen I understand you need a cuddle and be told there there everything will be ok - but I live in the real world and if you say you will do something I will be extremely disappointed if you fail to follow through

Soo you are annoyed the club didn't trade in a big fish because we said we would but you can't name a single player who was available. But the clubs fault.

What would you rather; trade pick 10, 14, 20 for guys like Billings, Chol etc plus pick swaps because no one else was available, or we don't do that and go to the draft and play the long game?

The club can't do any more than it did with the players available. Can't magically shake a star player loose. We offered everything for Petty but nothing. Oliver was never up for trade. That was smoke and mirror games from Melbourne.

Let's pray we hit the jackpot in the draft.

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[PeterSalt]

Why mention Dawson and Rankine ? Thats mirrors.

I dont know who was available - Petty with 2 years on his contract sure wasnt - he was an afterthought and he definitely wasnt worth 3 top 20 picks

Redman - we had a crack but the email came out after we missed on Redman - so it wasnt him.

Oliver was the one I would have given our top 3 picks to

Listen I understand you need a cuddle and be told there there everything will be ok - but I live in the real world and if you say you will do something I will be extremely disappointed if you fail to follow through

As someone else mentioned. I still think Cox was the original and probably bigger target. It just got shut down earlier with almost no media fanfare.

There was a reason he suddenly signed a big 6 year extension well over a year out. Seemed to catch most Freo fans by surprise as well

I don't doubt the club were talking to Petty, but he clearly became front and centre when other targets fell over. Personally, I never cared that much about Redman 1 way or the other. Though would've been happy enough if he came as he would've improved our list.

 

[GreyCrow]

Soo you are annoyed the club didn't trade in a big fish because we said we would but you can't name a single player who was available. But the clubs fault.

Well they did say they had the fish. I named 3

What would you rather; trade pick 10, 14, 20 for guys like Billings, Chol etc plus pick swaps because no one else was available, or we don't do that and go to the draft and play the long game?

I already said I wouldnt for Petty but I would for Oliver - what do you think?

The club can't do any more than it did with the players available. Can't magically shake a star player loose. We offered everything for Petty but nothing. Oliver was never up for trade. That was smoke and mirror games from Melbourne.

It seemed we had a player on the line - it was never about shaking someone loose - we had already shaken someone or we lied

Let's pray we hit the jackpot in the draft.

Amen

 

[GreyCrow]

As someone else mentioned. I still think Cox was the original and probably bigger target. It just got shut down earlier with almost no media fanfare.

There was a reason he suddenly signed a big 6 year extension well over a year out. Seemed to catch most Freo fans by surprise as well

Thats possible

I looked at Redmans numbers and they were on a good trajectory. I went hard for him at the time

 

[PeterSalt]

Thats possible

I looked at Redmans numbers and they were on a good trajectory. I went hard for him at the time

I'm sure Redman would've been an asset

Probably would've meant a bit of manoeuvring for the back half though.

Cox (and probably Petty) would've immediately filled in for Murray and a little later Butts


*I'm still not convinced Butts is the longer term answer at FB

 

[skittlebrew]

As someone else mentioned. I still think Cox was the original and probably bigger target. It just got shut down earlier with almost no media fanfare.

There was a reason he suddenly signed a big 6 year extension well over a year out. Seemed to catch most Freo fans by surprise as well

I don't doubt the club were talking to Petty, but he clearly became front and centre when other targets fell over. Personally, I never cared that much about Redman 1 way or the other. Though would've been happy enough if he came as he would've improved our list.

We're cashed up to the ****, you can bet your ass we're having cracks at any SA player that can even remotely play.

 

[Crow till I die]

When fit and confident in his body Butts is a very good KPD, just keeping his body right consistently is the only worry.

Yeah, Butts, Murray, Worrell and Keane with Burgess as a back up look to me to have our KPD stocks adequately covered number and quality wise. Not the area we need to be spending huge salary cap and draft capital on

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

We're cashed up to the ****, you can bet your arse we're having cracks at any SA player that can even remotely play.

Can someone make a list of SA players aged below 27/28 that are currently B+ standard we should be chasing over the next few years.

Here’s a start with contract end year (as per footywire which isn’t always 100%):

• Zac Bailey (2026)
• Charlie Ballard (2025)
• Jack Lukosius (2026)
• Mattaeus Phillipou (2024)
• NWM (2025)
• Will Hayward (2024)
• Harrison Petty (2025)
• Will Day (2027)

Most of these guys are sitting on contracts for the next 2-3 years so will be near impossible to shake free.

Not a long list to be honest. Can see why they went all out for Petty when given a sniff.

 

[incorrectdisposal]

J

Can someone make a list of SA players aged below 27/28 that are currently B+ standard we should be chasing over the next few years.

Here’s a start with contract end year (as per footywire which isn’t always 100%):

• Zac Bailey (2026)
• Charlie Ballard (2025)
• Jack Lukosius (2026)
• Mattaeus Phillipou (2024)
• NWM (2025)
• Will Hayward (2024)
• Harrison Petty (2025)
• Will Day (2027)

Most of these guys are sitting on contracts for the next 2-3 years so will be near impossible to shake free.

Not a long list to be honest. Can see why they went all out for Petty when given a sniff.

James Aish, Fremantle (2025)

 

[Golumless]

Yeah, Butts, Murray, Worrell and Keane with Burgess as a back up look to me to have our KPD stocks adequately covered number and quality wise. Not the area we need to be spending huge salary cap and draft capital on

If you can get a gun in that position, it's worth the capital - especially considering Adelaide goes as far as their defense allows them too. After all, no guarantees any of them become that gun.

Really, outside of small forwards, I doubt think we're in a position to turn down really good players.

 

[Dangerousfield]

We have been spoiled getting Dawson and Rankine the past two trade periods, quality players are difficult to shake loose from good clubs, as this year has proven.

There really has been a lot of dross traded this year, Grundy the only top liner to move, after his silly decision last off season and failing to take note of Preuss' equally silly decision a few seasons earlier.

No point using precious list spots on C graders when we have so many young players with potential desperate for more senior exposure.

McAdam is a loss.

So keep our powder dry, get more experience into our young players, cross fingers for our three first rounders and most importantly say your prayers that Tex can keep defying the gravity of age.

 

[Vader]

J

James Aish, Fremantle (2025)

He did say B+

 

[Scorpus]

Can someone make a list of SA players aged below 27/28 that are currently B+ standard we should be chasing over the next few years.

Here’s a start with contract end year (as per footywire which isn’t always 100%):

• Zac Bailey (2026)
• Charlie Ballard (2025)
• Jack Lukosius (2026)
• Mattaeus Phillipou (2024)
• NWM (2025)
• Will Hayward (2024)
• Harrison Petty (2025)
• Will Day (2027)

Most of these guys are sitting on contracts for the next 2-3 years so will be near impossible to shake free.

Not a long list to be honest. Can see why they went all out for Petty when given a sniff.

I think Bailey is from the NT, not SA

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Petty isn’t coming, ever.

If we don’t get him now, the Dees have a captive audience with him for 2 more years to negotiate and re-sign him

My prediction is that if he doesn’t come to us tomorrow (and that looks very unlikely) he’ll get a new contract and extension from the Dees by Christmas

2 years is just too long wait. He won’t, and we won’t

It’s now or never, and I’m guessing it’s never

No one knows whether Petty is attainable in the future, so making claims he is never coming to the Crows are silly.

IMO, the odds are he will be a Crow within 1-2 years... but will depend on the respective outlook of both sides.

This year appears dead in the water for any trade,

 

[skam85]

Taken the extra-cocky pills today?

Bet you everything you have planned in your life has not been executed as planned.

Some wait for the perfect planned execution, which they never get right, so don't even bother.

Better to at least have a crack & when it doesn't go as planned, adjust accordingly.

Probably should be looking at making some changes if everything planned hasn't worked out for 25 years though

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Probably should be looking at making some changes if everything planned hasn't worked out for 25 years though

Indeed.

But haven't we already?

We are acting far more aggressively seeking players to trade in & also releasing players... yet some are still complaining...

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I think Bailey is from the NT, not SA

Was a Norwood player when drafted? Moved here for schooling from the NT though.

 

[Scorpus]

Can someone make a list of SA players aged below 27/28 that are currently B+ standard we should be chasing over the next few years.

Here’s a start with contract end year (as per footywire which isn’t always 100%):

• Zac Bailey (2026)
• Charlie Ballard (2025)
• Jack Lukosius (2026)
• Mattaeus Phillipou (2024)
• NWM (2025)
• Will Hayward (2024)
• Harrison Petty (2025)
• Will Day (2027)

Most of these guys are sitting on contracts for the next 2-3 years so will be near impossible to shake free.

Not a long list to be honest. Can see why they went all out for Petty when given a sniff.

Kysaiah Pickett (2027)
Brennan Cox (2030) - debatable as to B+ grade
Isaac Cumming (2024) - from Broken Hill so not quite SA
Mason Redman (2028)
Tom Powell (2024) - again debatable as to B+ grade
Beau McCreery (2027)
Tom Sparrow (2024) - debatable as to B+ grade
Jason Horne-Francis (2028)
Caleb Daniel (2026)

 

[jenny61_99]

What about what Collingwood last trade period, what did you think then?

Clubs can’t afford to stand still and lose players. You need to fill holes in your list, some clubs are doing that.

Our club said we will be targeting bringing in experienced players at this stage of our rebuild, instead we’ve lost some.

In August they said they weren’t targeting anyone (that is, by that time in previous years we already knew we were getting Dawson and Rankine). Unless someone was knocked out of the trade tree, we weren’t expecting to be active.

 

[BACCS]

Kysaiah Pickett (2027)
Brennan Cox (2030) - debatable as to B+ grade
Isaac Cumming (2024) - from Broken Hill so not quite SA
Mason Redman (2028)
Tom Powell (2024) - again debatable as to B+ grade
Beau McCreery (2027)
Tom Sparrow (2024) - debatable as to B+ grade
Jason Horne-Francis (2028)
Caleb Daniel (2026)

I don't think you can ever have enough class on the outside, so I hope we try leverage Tex's relationship with Cumming to have a crack next year. As he's a FA, only costs us salary, which we can obviously afford.

Sparrow would improve our depth and also could be groomed to eventually replace Laird. Again, unless he suddenly becomes best 22 all 2024 and is a starting midfielder, should not cost us much draft capital when out of contract. Would prefer him over Powell.

None of the rest are realistic in your list.

Can someone make a list of SA players aged below 27/28 that are currently B+ standard we should be chasing over the next few years.

Here’s a start with contract end year (as per footywire which isn’t always 100%):

• Zac Bailey (2026)
• Charlie Ballard (2025)
• Jack Lukosius (2026)
• Mattaeus Phillipou (2024)
• NWM (2025)
• Will Hayward (2024)
• Harrison Petty (2025)
• Will Day (2027)

Most of these guys are sitting on contracts for the next 2-3 years so will be near impossible to shake free.

Not a long list to be honest. Can see why they went all out for Petty when given a sniff.

I would say we go extremely hard on Petty again next year and it gets done, as it gives Melbourne a year to sort out a replacement KPF. Also very dependent on how their season plays out, another early finals exit and they may start looking towards a mini rebuild.

Phillipou is a very interesting watch, good time to get in his ear as he hasn't committed beyond his 2nd season and the Crows appear to be on a trajectory to leapfrog the Saints. Port don't appear to have the draft capital to satisfy the Saints, but I'm sure they make a play too.

Can't see Lukosius happening until 2025 at best. My gut feel is that Hayward will stay at Sydney, he loves the influencer lifestyle too much over there.

Certainly a few attractive options for 2024, best case I could see is Petty, Cumming and one of Sparrow/Phillipou. Realistically, I think 2 of those 4 are playing for the Crows in 2025. Making/winning a final in 2024 would also help our cause a lot.

 

[skittlebrew]

Beau McCreery (2027)

You've won a flag mate, now it's time to come home

 

[DJ75]

Kosi has more family in WA (Boulder), only moved over to SA and lived with his Uncle Byron for a couple of years to further his football aspirations/schooling. Much the same with Zac Bailey (Darwin).

If I remember correctly it was only Year 12 he did in Adelaide. Went to PAC. Failed everything. Won at footy.

 

[DJ75]

Really surprised we didn't at least throw out hat in the ring for Hollands. Given what he is being traded for, it could have been done easily and without much risk.
I know he hasn't set the world on fire, but surely you back your group in to bring the best out in what was a talented kid.

 

[1990crow]

Kysaiah Pickett (2027)
Brennan Cox (2030) - debatable as to B+ grade
Isaac Cumming (2024) - from Broken Hill so not quite SA
Mason Redman (2028)
Tom Powell (2024) - again debatable as to B+ grade
Beau McCreery (2027)
Tom Sparrow (2024) - debatable as to B+ grade
Jason Horne-Francis (2028)
Caleb Daniel (2026)

McCreery would have been a good target.