List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[FreoRicci]

Yes a very important point you make. All well and good to say it’s great to get rid of all the problematic types, but results have got to improve on the back of that.
I reckon if JL had taken over Fremantle in 2011, Michael Walters would have spent the last decade playing footy for a Melbourne based club.
His strategy to get rid of troublemakers is a perfectly valid path to take.
We shall see if the strategy works for him over the next year or two.

Imagine as a club taking that path, having De Gooey. He would’ve been sacked the day he got arrested in USA. Wouldn’t be surprised with this precious bunch.
Or if Dustin Martin did the chopsticks fiasco here. Oh boy.

 

[Big Flappy]

Hogan comes in for first round pick, leaves for a fourth rounder if that.
Acres leaves for a FUTURE third rounder.

That’s where Fremantle should get blamed.

Back in the wrong players, pay the consequences.

Henry is a clear example. God can’t wait for GF to be over and trade week comes, so he can go.

What did acres cost us to get him?

 

[mightymouse75]

What did acres cost us to get him?

He was part of the hill trade.
Practicality got him as steak knives.

 

[Joao]

Imagine as a club taking that path, having De Gooey. He would’ve been sacked the day he got arrested in USA. Wouldn’t be surprised with this precious bunch.
Or if Dustin Martin did the chopsticks fiasco here. Oh boy.

Dusty would have been fine but De Goey would have been shipped for sure. I don't have a problem with that. If you think you can get more out of the whole list by having professional hard workers over super talented party boys, give it a go. I'd actually be staggered if it wasn't more successful in the long term if you can hold your nerve and stick with your principles.

 

[Bigger]

Rainmacres was totally Blade Steakres.

If anyone wants to talk about the ones that got away, I reckon Melbourne could have done with a key forward kicking four goals on the weekend. And I reckon St Kilda could have done with some elite two-way running and defensive work from a wing in their final.

 

[arsesmart]

Best form of revenge is to live life well.

No one really talks about the Pies fire sale now and if they do it's in favourable terms of them.

 

[Dockeroo]

Dusty would have been fine but De Goey would have been shipped for sure. I don't have a problem with that. If you think you can get more out of the whole list by having professional hard workers over super talented party boys, give it a go. I'd actually be staggered if it wasn't more successful in the long term if you can hold your nerve and stick with your principles.

Yeah maybe. I can’t think of too many premiership sides that didn’t have a player with a wild streak or a bad boy rep of some kind though.
Stengle last year
Steven May for the dees
Dusty for Richmond
McGovern and darling at west coast both had unprofessional pasts and controversial issues.
Brian lake at the hawks, heck - even Buddy if you believe the rumours.
Tom Boyd at the Dogs.

Not saying we should have kept Hogan at all , he should never even have been brought in.
But having a blanket rule to banish any hint of trouble and only have whiter than white individuals that never cause issues is also questionable. The comp is so even and a competitive advantage is so hard to find that refusing to deal with these type of players is possible a too safe, risk free conservative strategy.
Time will tell for JL I guess.

 

[Wizard]

We traded pick 5 for hogan then gave him away for nothing, now he kicked 40 goals.

It is an easy story to write.

I think the biggest thing that we are losing site of with Jesse is that he was supposed to be a culture issue here so he needed to go, while at GWS he is clearly in some ways a leader of their great culture.
Thats reason enough to ask some serious questions of our club and the leadership issues within it IMO.

 

[blue shark]

Yeah maybe. I can’t think of too many premiership sides that didn’t have a player with a wild streak or a bad boy rep of some kind though.
Stengle last year
Steven May for the dees
Dusty for Richmond
McGovern and darling at west coast both had unprofessional pasts and controversial issues.
Brian lake at the hawks, heck - even Buddy if you believe the rumours.
Tom Boyd at the Dogs.

Not saying we should have kept Hogan at all , he should never even have been brought in.
But having a blanket rule to banish any hint of trouble and only have whiter than white individuals that never cause issues is also questionable. The comp is so even and a competitive advantage is so hard to find that refusing to deal with these type of players is possible a too safe, risk free conservative strategy.
Time will tell for JL I guess.

The issue these days is that an Alpha male is toxic.
To be fair DeGoey is a mouth breather.
Sure you need some testosterone fueled players, but men will never get
away from nefarious behaviour anymore.
Plenty don’t cross the line, play hard.
Leave it on the field or battleground.
The ones that do deserve to be punished.

 

[Dockeroo]

Footy clubs are an unusual dynamic in a workplace where you have players that could be earning $1.2 million a season being managed or effectively reporting to a coach that might only be paid $500k a year. JL would be one of the lowest paid coaches in the comp I’d imagine.
It can create a unique scenario that wouldn’t happen in most other workplaces

 

[Bender571]

Best form of revenge is to live life well.

No one really talks about the Pies fire sale now and if they do it's in favourable terms of them.

I've never seen anyone talk about Collingwood trading their future first round pick, which became pick 2, for pick 24, 30, and a future fourth.

 

[s_wd6]

Yeah maybe. I can’t think of too many premiership sides that didn’t have a player with a wild streak or a bad boy rep of some kind though.
Stengle last year
Steven May for the dees
Dusty for Richmond
McGovern and darling at west coast both had unprofessional pasts and controversial issues.
Brian lake at the hawks, heck - even Buddy if you believe the rumours.
Tom Boyd at the Dogs.

Not saying we should have kept Hogan at all , he should never even have been brought in.
But having a blanket rule to banish any hint of trouble and only have whiter than white individuals that never cause issues is also questionable. The comp is so even and a competitive advantage is so hard to find that refusing to deal with these type of players is possible a too safe, risk free conservative strategy.
Time will tell for JL I guess.

it’s not a blanket rule. If they perform well enough on the field then the club isn’t getting rid of them for whatever shit they get to go off field. There’s quite a few guys at the club now that get up to that same shit off field but it doesn’t matter because they do their job on field. Hogan wasn’t doing that.

All the other guys you mentioned actually performed well on field hence why they stayed on the list.

 

[s_wd6]

I've never seen anyone talk about Collingwood trading their future first round pick, which became pick 2, for pick 24, 30, and a future fourth.

Because those picks would’ve been eaten up by the Daicos bid anyway. Don’t you love the vfl

 

[E Shed]

I've never seen anyone talk about Collingwood trading their future first round pick, which became pick 2, for pick 24, 30, and a future fourth.

Would that have been cause they were collecting lower picks knowing they were bringing Nick Daicos in? For bid matching?

 

[Taylor]

I think the biggest thing that we are losing site of with Jesse is that he was supposed to be a culture issue here so he needed to go, while at GWS he is clearly in some ways a leader of their great culture.
Thats reason enough to ask some serious questions of our club and the leadership issues within it IMO.

That I put down to a complete anonymity for AFL players in NSW allowing GWS to set whatever narrative they wish and there is a difference in how players in WA are treated based on their team - the photos of Hogan off his head in a back garden was in the back garden of an Eagles player's home - but that didn't make the story.

Ultimately we had a player on our list being paid nearly Lobb money and not performing because he was injured and his approach to his rehab included rolling up to work under the weather from self inflicted choices - he was traded as he was about to trigger a pay increase that would have made him the second highest paid player in the team, which if he was playing every week at his capacity would have been more than fair - but he wasn't.

Oh well.

 

[Joao]

Yeah maybe. I can’t think of too many premiership sides that didn’t have a player with a wild streak or a bad boy rep of some kind though.
Stengle last year
Steven May for the dees
Dusty for Richmond
McGovern and darling at west coast both had unprofessional pasts and controversial issues.
Brian lake at the hawks, heck - even Buddy if you believe the rumours.
Tom Boyd at the Dogs.

Not saying we should have kept Hogan at all , he should never even have been brought in.
But having a blanket rule to banish any hint of trouble and only have whiter than white individuals that never cause issues is also questionable. The comp is so even and a competitive advantage is so hard to find that refusing to deal with these type of players is possible a too safe, risk free conservative strategy.
Time will tell for JL I guess.

I'm not sure it has been attempted on the scale we appear to be doing it. It's an interesting case study.

I personally can't see any reason why it can't be successful, it just limits your recruitment options.

 

[Bender571]

Would that have been cause they were collecting lower picks knowing they were bringing Nick Daicos in? For bid matching?

Because those picks would’ve been eaten up by the Daicos bid anyway. Don’t you love the vfl

No, they thought their 2021 first round pick was going to be eaten up on a bid for daicos so they traded it for 2020 picks to GWS. They then had a horrible 2021 and finished 17th earning pick 2. GWS used that pick 2 to bid on Sam Darcy, then pick 3 on Callaghan. Daicos went at pick 4.

They could've had Daicos and pick 2, although they might have had a nervous wait to see if North bid on Daicos at pick 1 instead of taking Horne-Francis. At the very least they could have got a lot more for pick 2 if they still had it in 2021.

 

[Dockeroo]

No, they thought their 2021 first round pick was going to be eaten up on a bid for daicos so they traded it for 2020 picks to GWS. They then had a horrible 2021 and finished 17th earning pick 2. GWS used that pick 2 to bid on Sam Darcy, then pick 3 on Callaghan. Daicos went at pick 4.

They could've had Daicos and pick 2, although they might have had a nervous wait to see if North bid on Daicos at pick 1 instead of taking Horne-Francis. At the very least they could have got a lot more for pick 2 if they still had it in 2021.

No idea why Daicos was not bid on anyway, dumb dumb stuff. Letting him slide to pick 4? Laughable

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

No, they thought their 2021 first round pick was going to be eaten up on a bid for daicos so they traded it for 2020 picks to GWS. They then had a horrible 2021 and finished 17th earning pick 2. GWS used that pick 2 to bid on Sam Darcy, then pick 3 on Callaghan. Daicos went at pick 4.

They could've had Daicos and pick 2, although they might have had a nervous wait to see if North bid on Daicos at pick 1 instead of taking Horne-Francis. At the very least they could have got a lot more for pick 2 if they still had it in 2021.

Does feel like Collingwood just fluked into landing with a contending list. They’ve made so so many mistakes over the last 10 years. I suppose their actual talent ID and development is top notch.

 

[Joao]

No idea why Daicos was not bid on anyway, dumb dumb stuff. Letting him slide to pick 4? Laughable

I have no problem with JHF going 1 but I agree he should have been 2 at worst.

 

[Dockeroo]

Interesting documentary (25 years ago seeing the draft of players who have all retired) on the draft from 1998 afl draft, Adam Ramanauskas, Des Headland and Brendan Fevola, so weird looking back seeing Des Headland as pick 1 and Fev going pick 38? crazy, also seeing Ramanauskas and Fevola playing for Dandenong and Vic Metro was weird lol, seeing all the old recruiters was odd as well, some still around. (seeing clubs disrespect for the big Fev was nuts, he was a star for the Blues for a fair few years)

Headland wearing the Fremantle shirt as a hint to Brisbane was funny too, but im sure Frem are happy Bris went with Headland and they got Justin Longmuir

Found this gem from Davo-27 on the draft board. Well worth a look from about 15 min where Des Headland is going to be drafted to Brisbane in 1998 but desperately wants to go to freo instead at pick 2. Few other familiar faces pop up too

 

[Bender571]

Does feel like Collingwood just fluked into landing with a contending list. They’ve made so so many mistakes over the last 10 years. I suppose their actual talent ID and development is top notch.

Not sure their talent ID is that amazing either. Their best and fairest top 10 last year was 2 guys drafted almost 15 years ago, 3 father sons, 3 traded in players, a pick 5, and a pick 30.

 

[The Feeder Club]

I've never seen anyone talk about Collingwood trading their future first round pick, which became pick 2, for pick 24, 30, and a future fourth.

Playing in 11 prelims out of the past 22 years might give them some leniency in the court of public opinion

A prelim every two years: Pies back at the pointy end again

Collingwood is back into the top four, and it's familiar territory for the Magpies this century

www.afl.com.au

 

[Ge3ks]

Full article behind the paywall;

https://archive.md/F3Dhn

 

[The Feeder Club]