List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[The Feeder Club]

I don't even mind if we draft another 18yo kpf to develop. But the idea of spending the equivalent of a top 10 pick to trade for Logan, which is what it would take, with our trading history and our list needs makes me vomit. If, and it's a big if, we're spending that capital on trade it has to be on an explosive mid. That's it.

 

[Joao]

TBf we have quite a few wingers: Noddy, Stanley, Aish, Sharp and potentially Chapman? Not including players we rotate through there such as Johnson. I would like to see how they go next season before recruiting another one. Imo we should be drafting a speedy midfielder after Collard.

Literally none of those blokes other than Aish have any runs on the board on the wing for us.

We have Erasmus and Johnson with another preseason and Brodie in the WAFL. I have far more confidence in any of them playing inside mid than I do the above playing AFL standard wing next season.

The only mids we should be taking would be ones with a point of difference - speed preferrably.

 

[Carnthedockers]

Aaron Naughton highly likely to be at Collingwood either this or next season? JVR no chance to us until 2025 and if things click there, he may not come back? And that leaves only L MAC. L Mac is actually a 10 to 15 pick forward than his actual draft position of pick 4? He was very late in signing extension last time while most of all his fellow draftees signed already. Lots of news heard he will sign 4 year extension with sydney but it was only 2. And also read in multiple articles that he slid in the draft from 1 to 4 due to go home factor. And of the 3, LMac will be the one gettable and his price will be slightly better next year if he does not sign another extension? Eagles will be in his ears but they wont give top5 pick to Sydney for him. If we give 2 teen picks that will be reasonable? May be the reason we are trying to load up next year draft including show of interest in Port's next year first? I know he is bit overrated but if we make top 8, what we give up for him will be reasonable?


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We are having a crack at Logan. Tbh I think it’s highly unlikely. Sydney never lose players they want to keep.

 

[s_wd6]

We are having a crack at Logan. Tbh I think it’s highly unlikely. Sydney never lose players they want to keep.

I hope they save us from ourselves.

 

[Joao]

We are having a crack at Logan. Tbh I think it’s highly unlikely. Sydney never lose players they want to keep.

Dawson?

But I echo s_wd6 sentiment unless Logan actually comes out and kicks 50+ next year and Treacy bombs. Otherwise WTF are we doing?

 

[Carnthedockers]

I hope they save us from ourselves.

Sounds like I’m in the minority, but we need another high quality forward (I know he’s not there yet). Corbett is rubbish, and have heard he has ongoing injury issues. Treacy may come good, but I’ve seen little to get excited anbout just yet. Amiss and McDonald could be our forward line for a decade.

 

[s_wd6]

Sounds like I’m in the minority, but we need another high quality forward (I know he’s not there yet). Corbett is rubbish, and have heard he has ongoing injury issues. Treacy may come good, but I’ve seen little to get excited anbout just yet. Amiss and McDonald could be our forward line for a decade.

I disagree. I wouldn't say many of Collingwood's forwards are high quality. On paper it does not look like a potent forward line at all.

 

[mr.11]

Sounds like I’m in the minority, but we need another high quality forward (I know he’s not there yet). Corbett is rubbish, and have heard he has ongoing injury issues. Treacy may come good, but I’ve seen little to get excited anbout just yet. Amiss and McDonald could be our forward line for a decade.

Why can't it be Treacy?!?!
2024 Goals
Amiss kicks 50ish
Treacy kicks 25-30ish
Schultz 35ish
Freddie 30ish
Walters 25ish
Jackson 25ish
Switta 25ish

 

[freo_leo29]

Why can't it be Treacy?!?!
2024 Goals
Amiss kicks 50ish
Treacy kicks 25-30ish
Schultz 35ish
Freddie 30ish
Walters 25ish
Jackson 25ish
Switta 25ish

Why can't it be Treacy?, you're expecting him to double his output tbh

For reference McDonald kicked more goals this year than Treacy has kicked in his career

 

[Dockeroo]

Why can't it be Treacy?!?!
2024 Goals
Amiss kicks 50ish
Treacy kicks 25-30ish
Schultz 35ish
Freddie 30ish
Walters 25ish
Jackson 25ish
Switta 25ish

I reckon there’s a better chance of Amiss kicking 60 goals than Switta kicking 25.

 

[Taylor]

I disagree. I wouldn't say many of Collingwood's forwards are high quality. On paper it does not look like a potent forward line at all.

If we are using Collingwood as a template, it's important to note that DeGoey (arguably), Crisp, Sidebottom and Pendlebury combined for literally half their goals. Their midfield kicked half their goals.

Missing Diacos, seven of twelve. More than half their goals.

 

[JammoMonty]

Rumours right before McDonald's last contract extension was that a club had offered him a massive deal, as in seven or more years. I assumed that was West Coast but after hearing Walls detail his own personal perception of Logan but not directly asking the question - I think it may have been us.

As with all the latest players I would like us to chase, they probably all end up at West Coast. Including Logan McDonald.

Connor McDonald is Logan's brother from what I understand, recently playing in the Colts GF loss - not as tall as his brother. If a club were to look at him with a later pick that might signal an intention to buy his brother from the Swans when out of contract.

In regards to where and how he would play? Amiss can play in any position forward of the ball, he is that good at ground level. Logan, minus the shin splints in preseason, could become the roaming mark I have been looking for.

It was Freo and a decent contract. Not sure he would partner up well with Amiss, would prefer Naughton.

 

[Mogumber]

I don't even mind if we draft another 18yo kpf to develop. But the idea of spending the equivalent of a top 10 pick to trade for Logan, which is what it would take, with our trading history and our list needs makes me vomit. If, and it's a big if, we're spending that capital on trade it has to be on an explosive mid. That's it.

Peak Freo. Shit since the start.
Got a very good talent scout, let him scout for talent

 

[Dockeroo]

Treacy adds tackle pressure workrate and halves contests.
I think Logan is the better player, but not by that much.
Not enough at this moment in time to justify selling the farm for him.
If Logan comes in he will be taking Treacys place.

I’m most intrigued by Sturt this off season. Will he work his bollocks off and go to another level again?
Been a big believer always in this guy. He’s capable of kicking bags regularly. There is 40 goals in a fully fit and focused Sturt over a full season I’m sure of it. Has some much needed class to compliment our grunt too.

 

[Carnthedockers]

I disagree. I wouldn't say many of Collingwood's forwards are high quality. On paper it does not look like a potent forward line at all.

I wouldn’t have thought collingwood was the template. Yes they won the flag, but their lack of forwards has held them back for years. Theirs is almost the geelong model when Mooney was their main target, and their midfield was exceptional.

 

[Taylor]

It was Freo and a decent contract. Not sure he would partner up well with Amiss, would prefer Naughton.

Naughton difference to me is that he averages one contested mark more per game and one more more inside fifty per game than McDonald.

Buuuut, Naughton averages 1.9 goals a game at 50%, McDonald 1.6 goals a game at 62.7%

Buuuuuuuuut, Naughton will be three years older by the time preseason starts.

I think there's potential for McDonald to be a better player than Naughton, but Naughton is also paid twice what Logan is.

So can you accept a developing tall forward averaging almost the same, but half the price in both salary and draft output? Hoping that he can be at least as good, if not better, than Naughton in two or three years?

 

[Carnthedockers]

It was Freo and a decent contract. Not sure he would partner up well with Amiss, would prefer Naughton.

Based on what? Bloke can’t hit the side of a barn door. One of the best contested grabs in the comp, but what’s the point when you can’t kick.

 

[Dockeroo]

Naughton difference to me is that he averages one contested mark more per game and one more more inside fifty per game than McDonald.

Buuuut, Naughton averages 1.9 goals a game at 50%, McDonald 1.6 goals a game at 62.7%

Buuuuuuuuut, Naughton will be three years older by the time preseason starts.

I think there's potential for McDonald to be a better player than Naughton, but Naughton is also paid twice what Logan is.

So can you accept a developing tall forward averaging almost the same, but half the price in both salary and draft output?

Make no mistake - we will be paying $850k at the very least per season to prise Logan Mc Donald out of Sydney. Probably even more.

 

[DragoDelph]

We need Sydney to make a big play for naughton, so we can get Logan out of there a little easier.

 

[JammoMonty]

Based on what? Bloke can’t hit the side of a barn door. One of the best contested grabs in the comp, but what’s the point when you can’t kick.

2023: 44 goals
2022: 51 goals
2021: 47 goals

Seems to do alright on paper and is exactly the right KPF for contests, plus would take the no1 defender and allow Amiss to add 10 goals a year to his already impressive start to his career.

 

[freo_leo29]

I disagree. I wouldn't say many of Collingwood's forwards are high quality. On paper it does not look like a potent forward line at all.

Collingwood are the worst premiership team of the century by quite a bit

Squiggle has them decidedly average Squiggle 2023

 

[Carnthedockers]

2023: 44 goals
2022: 51 goals
2021: 47 goals

Seems to do alright on paper and is exactly the right KPF for contests, plus would take the no1 defender and allow Amiss to add 10 goals a year to his already impressive start to his career.

Could be wrong, but I think Logan is a much more natural forward. Considering what naughton is getting paid, I reckon that’s a poor output.

 

[freo1997]

Could be wrong, but I think Logan is a much more natural forward. Considering what naughton is getting paid, I reckon that’s a poor output.

When was the last time a big name from Sydney left? Okeffe tried, Paps tried and I think Luke Parker explored his options.

Logan is a probably using us to bump his contract $.

 

[Joao]

When was the last time a big name from Sydney left? Okeffe tried, Paps tried and I think Luke Parker explored his options.

Logan is a probably using us to bump his contract $.

Dawson 2 years ago.

 

[Spirit Level]

A benefit of getting McDonald would be releasing Jackson to wreck havoc around the ground more often, even before adding the benefits his skills as a FWD.

Right price though ect ect