2023 mid season draft - Name your player you want

[Tigerbob]

Matthew Coulthard - 176cm 69kg

Bobby Hill (Collingwood) 175cm 71kg

If Matthew can turn into Bobby Hill type I’d be very happy. Only 1 year difference too but obviously Bobby has been in a professional environment longer.

Give Matthew the number 23 too.

 

[LTT]

Im not sure that the Swans are really no better than anyone else in assessing mature age recruits. As good as Rampe is, I think every team can point to a mature age player that has made an impact (Pickett, Broad for Richmond as an example).

In terms of the MSD, you’re statistically more likely to miss than hit. Especially the KPP players. Take the example of Jacob Edwards. Was taken #1 overall in the 2020 MSD by North Melbourne and looks nowhere near it in their VFL team. In fact, of the three previous MSD’s only three KPP players have really got consistent AFL games; Ryan Gardner (KPD), Ash Johnson (more of a third tall than a KPF) and James Blanck (KPD).

It’s just not historically a vehicle for successful players, let alone KPP then again KPFs.

Given that we have managed to pick up only two really good kpf’s in the last 30 odd years of main drafts and one of those was Matthew Richardson who was a father son gift that we couldn’t refuse, it’s not like we are statistically or historically so successful in the main draft that we can justify not using every other means available
Picking a kpf requires a lot of luck so the more chances you have the more likely you are to succeed. And like I said before the msd is a free shot with not reason not to try. If we only pick up two every 30 years we will be as successful in the msd as we have been in the main draft

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Given that we have managed to pick up only two really good kpf’s in the last 30 odd years of main drafts and one of those was Matthew Richardson who was a father son gift that we couldn’t refuse, it’s not like we are statistically or historically so successful in the main draft that we can justify not using every other means available
Picking a kpf requires a lot of luck so the more chances you have the more likely you are to succeed. And like I said before the msd is a free shot with not reason not to try. If we only pick up two every 30 years we will be as successful in the msd as we have been in the main draft

There simply are not going to be high quality key forwards in the mid-season draft. If you fluked a Brody Mihocek type in a mid-season draft you would be doing cartwheels even if it took you 6 picks to get one at that level. But the thing is you can trade a player of that level in just about any time you want. By the time you have 6 cracks at it to maybe get one average key forward, you could have used the 6 picks to get 3 x Noble, Marlion, Snelling etc.

The 6 best key forwards with their whole careers this century are perhaps Franklin, Riewoldt, Riewoldt, Kennedy, Hawkins, Pavlich. They are all first round picks in the National Draft or in Hawkin's case a father son pick who would have been a first rounder. You can go right through them all, there may be some I have missed, but sometimes you get a decent one go in the 3rd or 4th round of the National Draft, like say Taylor Walker. I am struggling to think of one this century who was better than Mihocek taken outside either the National Draft or as a pre-draft type pick. And if there is ever one available in the mid-season draft, he will not be getting through to pick 4, he would be snapped at pick 1 before the team was even put on the clock. Sydney may have taken Buller hoping to turn him into either a ruck or a key defender for all we know.

One thing is for certain, our recruiters would have carefully considered each of the key forward prospects available, and ruled them out.

 

[RockJobster0312]

Given that we have managed to pick up only two really good kpf’s in the last 30 odd years of main drafts and one of those was Matthew Richardson who was a father son gift that we couldn’t refuse, it’s not like we are statistically or historically so successful in the main draft that we can justify not using every other means available
Picking a kpf requires a lot of luck so the more chances you have the more likely you are to succeed. And like I said before the msd is a free shot with not reason not to try. If we only pick up two every 30 years we will be as successful in the msd as we have been in the main draft

This is the old quantity hoping for quality argument. I argued against it before in the Matt Coulthard thread (I’ve linked it below for ease). It’s not without merit as I say but I don’t think it’s warranted.

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Player Watch - Welcome - Matt Coulthard - Pick 4 MSD 2023

There simply are not going to be high quality key forwards in the mid-season draft. If you fluked a Brody Mihocek type in a mid-season draft you would be doing cartwheels even if it took you 6 picks to get one at that level. But the thing is you can trade a player of that level in just about any time you want. By the time you have 6 cracks at it to maybe get one average key forward, you could have used the 6 picks to get 3 x Noble, Marlion, Snelling etc.

The 6 best key forwards with their whole careers this century are perhaps Franklin, Riewoldt, Riewoldt, Kennedy, Hawkins, Pavlich. They are all first round picks in the National Draft or in Hawkin's case a father son pick who would have been a first rounder. You can go right through them all, there may be some I have missed, but sometimes you get a decent one go in the 3rd or 4th round of the National Draft, like say Taylor Walker. I am struggling to think of one this century who was better than Mihocek taken outside either the National Draft or as a pre-draft type pick. And if there is ever one available in the mid-season draft, he will not be getting through to pick 4, he would be snapped at pick 1 before the team was even put on the clock. Sydney may have taken Buller hoping to turn him into either a ruck or a key defender for all we know.

One thing is for certain, our recruiters would have carefully considered each of the key forward prospects available, and ruled them out.

I think when you extrapolate it MR, even the next wave of KPF’s seem largely taken in the first round (often top 10) of the National Draft

• Max King
• Ben King
• Jack Lukocious
• Jamarrah Ugle-Hagan
• Harry McKay
• Charlie Curnow
• Aaron Naughton
• Todd Marshall

There are variants, guys like Oscar Allen (early second round) and Nick Larkey (very late), but statistically speaking the next generation of KPFs will come from first round picks.

Says to me that the next KPF is likely to come via trade/ free agency as opposed to any other mechanism.

 

[Spluff]

You can go right through them all, there may be some I have missed, but sometimes you get a decent one go in the 3rd or 4th round of the National Draft, like say Taylor Walker.

Taylor Walker was actually a zone/scholarship pick, so wasn't available to other teams.

 

[tiger_tough]

Jack Buller has kicked 5.3, 18 disposals and 5 marks to 3 qtr time in his first VFL match

 

[Tigerbob]

Jack Buller has kicked 5.3, 18 disposals and 5 marks to 3 qtr time in his first VFL match

Was just coming on to post the same thing.

This will be an interesting watch.

 

[Coach_Required]

Jack Buller has kicked 5.3, 18 disposals and 5 marks to 3 qtr time in his first VFL match

FFS

WAFL standard is amateur

 

[Barnzy]

Yeesh

At least we still have...Bradtke?? lmao

 

[tiger_tough]

Yeesh

At least we still have...Bradtke?? lmao

Bradtke did kick 5 in his first game for us too....

 

[Coach_Required]

Bradtke did kick 5 in his first game for us too....

Ever since Jack kicked 10 against the Eagles, it's been club policy that key forwards aren't allowed to kick big bags.

I'm convinced.

 

[Barnzy]

Jack Buller has kicked 5.3, 18 disposals and 5 marks to 3 qtr time in his first VFL match

Last time our arrogant recruiting staff overlooked a key forward that landed in their laps...Tom Brown over JVR.

A worrying trend for how this one will turn out

 

[tiger_tough]

Ever since Jack kicked 10 against the Eagles, it's been club policy that key forwards aren't allowed to kick big bags.

I'm convinced.

Lynch did kick bags of 5, 6, 7 and 8 last year...

 

[tiger_tough]

Buller ended up with 5.4, 19 disposals, 5 marks, 4 tackles, 2 hitouts and Swans got their first win of the season by 4 points. Not a bad first day...

 

[Coach_Required]

Lynch did kick bags of 5, 6, 7 and 8 last year...

Reckon he had to pay a club fine then

 

[Coach_Required]

Buller ended up with 5.4, 19 disposals, 5 marks, 4 tackles, 2 hitouts and Swans got their first win of the season by 4 points. Not a bad first day...

Dud delist LOL

and yes I'm melting internally.

 

[TigerImposter]

This is the old quantity hoping for quality argument. I argued against it before in the Matt Coulthard thread (I’ve linked it below for ease). It’s not without merit as I say but I don’t think it’s warranted.

Post in thread 'Welcome - Matt Coulthard - Pick 4 MSD 2023'
Player Watch - Welcome - Matt Coulthard - Pick 4 MSD 2023



I think when you extrapolate it MR, even the next wave of KPF’s seem largely taken in the first round (often top 10) of the National Draft

• Max King
• Ben King
• Jack Lukocious
• Jamarrah Ugle-Hagan
• Harry McKay
• Charlie Curnow
• Aaron Naughton
• Todd Marshall

There are variants, guys like Oscar Allen (early second round) and Nick Larkey (very late), but statistically speaking the next generation of KPFs will come from first round picks.

Says to me that the next KPF is likely to come via trade/ free agency as opposed to any other mechanism.

Add Lynch

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Last time our arrogant recruiting staff overlooked a key forward that landed in their laps...Tom Brown over JVR.

A worrying trend for how this one will turn out

The draft we actually missed the most is the 2017 draft
we had picks
#17 - Jack Higgins
#20 - Callum Coleman Jones
#25 - Noah Balta
#34 - patrick Naish


Could have been
#17 - Oscar Allen (21)
#20 - Noah Balta (25)
#25 - Sam Taylor (28)
#34 - Charlie Ballard (42)

Our team would have looked so much different today

 

[domin8]

The draft we actually missed the most is the 2017 draft
we had picks
#17 - Jack Higgins
#20 - Callum Coleman Jones
#25 - Noah Balta
#34 - patrick Naish


Could have been
#17 - Oscar Allen (21)
#20 - Noah Balta (25)
#25 - Sam Taylor (28)
#34 - Charlie Ballard (42)

Our team would have looked so much different today

Would we have taken 4 talls coming off a flag and knowing Lynch was coming?

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Would we have taken 4 talls coming off a flag and knowing Lynch was coming?

3 were key backs and 1 key foward

You draft these KPP looking 4-5 years ahead when all would have been ready 2022/23

So basically we would have been in a perfect position today
benefits of hindsight

 

[Bojangles17]

The draft we actually missed the most is the 2017 draft
we had picks
#17 - Jack Higgins
#20 - Callum Coleman Jones
#25 - Noah Balta
#34 - patrick Naish


Could have been
#17 - Oscar Allen (21)
#20 - Noah Balta (25)
#25 - Sam Taylor (28)
#34 - Charlie Ballard (42)

Our team would have looked so much different today

Higgo was a strange choice given our surplus of smalls at the time , ironically he took butlers spot , I expect he’ll play close to 200 games , ccj I reckon is turning the corner at norf , not too disappointed tho that samo is in his spot

 

[Profop]

We wouldn’t have been able to pick Charlie Ballard

10

Charlie Ballard

Age

24

Ht

196cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.1

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

185.6

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.6

2star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.3

2star

MG

158.9

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

156.0

3star

at 34 seeing that was a father son pick

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

We wouldn’t have been able to pick Charlie Ballard at 34 seeing that was a father son pick

Correct my bad we had pick #53 & #55 that got used to move upto get Naish

But who knows if we didnt rate Naish we may have been able to trade these 2 picks to get to -42

 

[Barnzy]

Another key forward we overlooked...yeesh

 

[Cotchy9]

How the hell did we overlook these 2 guys? If we had a young KPF kicking 4-5 at VFL we’d be creaming our pants