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Really? I had no idea.
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I've often wondered what would be a good way to measure recruiters ... it's not a level playing field but surely we can get an indication from the right stats?
Would something like the number of games / brownlow votes / finals for players drafted 1-10 / 11-20 etc... give an indication? Would have to be only players that are outside of academy / fs / nga ... or at least have the "special" cases separated?
I suppose the trading up / trading down count would tell a part of the story too?
Scorpus do you have this in a spreadsheet somewhere
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I reckon simple measure is how many mids have you drafted in 12 years with your first round picks. How many of your first round picks are good players and still playing.I've often wondered what would be a good way to measure recruiters ... it's not a level playing field but surely we can get an indication from the right stats?
Would something like the number of games / brownlow votes / finals for players drafted 1-10 / 11-20 etc... give an indication? Would have to be only players that are outside of academy / fs / nga ... or at least have the "special" cases separated?
I suppose the trading up / trading down count would tell a part of the story too?
Scorpus do you have this in a spreadsheet somewhere
Well right now ...
Our best two players are Dawson and Rankine - trades.
Tex was a NSW Academy pick.
Laird was a Rookie?
Michalanney a FS.
So probably only the noobs we can look at from a drafting perspective - Fog, Soligo, Rachele, Worrel, Thilthorpe, Cook, Nankervis, Berry, Taylor, Edwards, Ryan, Curtin - no current superstar AFL mids in that group yet, although Soligo is at least showing signs :-|
Many on here at the time were desperately hoping that we wouldn't pick Galluci.
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I've often wondered what would be a good way to measure recruiters ... it's not a level playing field but surely we can get an indication from the right stats?
Would something like the number of games / brownlow votes / finals for players drafted 1-10 / 11-20 etc... give an indication? Would have to be only players that are outside of academy / fs / nga ... or at least have the "special" cases separated?
I suppose the trading up / trading down count would tell a part of the story too?
Scorpus do you have this in a spreadsheet somewhere
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How about the 2019 draft?
After we took Fischer McAsey at pick 6.
Hayden Young
Caleb Serong
Liam Henry
Tom Green
Sam Flanders
Kysaiah Pickett
Will Day
Miles Bergman
Mitch Georgiades
Sam De Koning
Chad Warner
I've often wondered what would be a good way to measure recruiters ... it's not a level playing field but surely we can get an indication from the right stats?
Would something like the number of games / brownlow votes / finals for players drafted 1-10 / 11-20 etc... give an indication? Would have to be only players that are outside of academy / fs / nga ... or at least have the "special" cases separated?
I suppose the trading up / trading down count would tell a part of the story too?
Scorpus do you have this in a spreadsheet somewhere
Ladder position. Eventually everything comes down to that
Obviously you're just having a go at Ogilvie but these criteria make no sense, and would imply that Lance Franklin was a bad draft pick, since Hawthorn could have picked a mid instead, increasing the number of mids picked in the last 12 years.
Team performance has to be the primary criteria, though looking at the range of hits vs misses with some weighting to earlier picks/overall player quality would get you somewhere.
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Carlton had to over pay them to get them to Carlton
Williams on $1m per year is not great recruiting
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Did I say you couldn’t pick a gun forward with a first round pick? Hawks had a decent midfield didn’t they?
Besides Franklin fits under my criteria of a good player
Yeah - but ladder position doesn't just come down to the recruiters. Even the list can be pulled apart by a terrible culture and all your gems go to better options.
I'd love to have a measure of what each recruiter does ... I am sure the best teams ladder-wise will magically have some of the best recruiters!!
Hayward is an average to good player and to me money isn’t the big issue but the length of the contract is. We should only be offering top line players 5 plus years, not players like him. Crows said they’d be aggressive, I hope they aren’t stupid.
McCluggage or DLU are 5 plus years contract players.
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He saw McHenry and Murphy and realised he would be playing SANFL
Forward pressure comes from players that get or just miss getting the ball. Assigning a role to 'create forward pressure' is only for morons.
Would tend to agree with this. Besides, doesnt look like Hayward will leave now, particularly with a premiership a real possibility this year. Think we would be better going hard on LDU..North is one of the few clubs we can realistically say we are a better alternative to. Wouldnt be against also going after Luko..but only if he plays like he did Thursday night.
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As we have found though clubs are super keen to keep their top end and so will flex to do so.
Hayward is a significant upgrade in impact for his position (Murphy) so for NO draft capital is worth the pursuit
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LDU under contract though, I can’t see North letting him go. If he leaves next year he will trigger rd 1 compo which is going to be a top 3 pick
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I dunno..can we fail upwards by picking the wrong players in the draft and somehow still perform ok?
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Saad left Essendon at the end of 2020, who had just finished 13th at 6-1-10. Carlton finished 11th that year.
It's one you give to someone who doesn't have other strings to their bow, like a Petrenko or Murphy. Cameron may have started that way, but he quickly developed his skills beyond that and Betts defensive work was always his a part of his game, never the main or only feature.
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But Adelaide costs of living (housing particularly) would be significantly lower than Sydney. The excess cash of the deal plus the savings in that "comfortable lifestyle" put the Adelaide offer miles ahead from a pure wealth creation view.
I hope he comes for the opportunity we offer. The offer (as far as we know) makes him more wealthy in a financial sense. But if he's motivated by other distractions young men might like, Sydney might play finals more often than us but if he wants stardom, it ain't even close to the profile he would carry in Adelaide.
If you're failing upwards while picking the wrong players the players you picked can't be that bad. At some point you must have selected the good players that are helping you win - you could obviously have poor drafting for a period of time or something.
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So, McAsey and Gallucci were bad picks? Why hasn't anyone raised this until now?
