List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread

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Don't think Jack Graham has ever averaged more than 20 disposals in his career but had 36 against us 3 or 4 years ago, don't think the kicking is much better than average either, i can't see the attraction, except commentators often say he is a good leader, not for me.
 

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muttley45 said:
Don't think Jack Graham has ever averaged more than 20 disposals in his career but had 36 against us 3 or 4 years ago, don't think the kicking is much better than average either, i can't see the attraction, except commentators often say he is a good leader, not for me.
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The attraction is, he dominated against us, our recruitment team always love that in a player.
 
 
Arden_Nhillites said:
I agree, he is best mates with Simpkin so hopefully culture wise will enjoy the young team. However, the main point will help us be competitive in games and allow Wardlaw and the others to learn from a winning midfielder.

If Cunners stayed a little longer it would have provided the same benefit in terms of mentoring, but Clarry provides the on-field edge we probably need to help the confidence of the players and fans.
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Look at how Sidebottom and Pendlebury have shielded the Pies young mids.
 
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Watching that mostly l think …pure fantasy land from Jay..where are his sources…back of a wheaties pack? Nah that’s to obvious…..
Sure saints might look attractive …but l look at them and think..you are supposedly going to burn that much capital on trying to get two players (it’s jays world so lm not convinced)….yet your list is top heavy with retirements fast approaching….. sounds like Scotty cool aide …..
Nah they maybe laughing at us now..but this ain’t no saints side like 2004 - 09….
They’re in for some pain and list holes…yet will have burnt that much capital into one / two players…according to muppet…
And Walter ain’t leaving GC in the near future…..
I’ll back us in and then some all the way over that problematic list..
 

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$800,000 for Zurhaar? The players and clubs who will be key to AFL’s silly season​


Marc McGowan

6–8 minutes


Richmond, Western Bulldogs and North Melbourne are among seven clubs that loom as major movers and shakers in this year’s player movement sweepstakes.

That trio joins Hawthorn, West Coast, Adelaide and St Kilda in occupying seven of the bottom eight spots on the ladder almost one-third of the way through the season while at varying stages of their list builds.

Each has big decisions to make on whether they are buyers or sellers, although some face the prospect of players choosing for them if they jump first.

The Eagles, buoyed by an injection of Harley Reid-infused optimism, project as potential buyers from two of the teams above, with ex-Tigers recruiting boss Matt Clarke now in charge of West Coast’s list.

The future for Liam Baker – who is on the Dockers’ and Eagles’ radar – and Jack Graham is interesting at Richmond; rivals should at least inquire about restricted free agent Blake Hardwick and fellow Hawk Changkuoth Jiath, whose injury history has complicated negotiations; and Cam Zurhaar’s restricted free agency situation at North promises to last many more months.

Fremantle are in a stronger position than West Coast to get a deal done for Baker, who is not a free agent, if he opts to return home, given they have three first-round selections and are already finals contenders, but player preference is usually the deciding factor in these cases.

Two list-management sources told this masthead on the condition of anonymity, to be able to speak more freely, that a club would consider paying Zurhaar as much as $800,000 a season to get him out of Arden Street.

That potential figure would, as with Ben McKay last year, prompt Brady Rawlings, Will Thursfield – newly promoted to retention manager, on top of his recruiting duties – and co. to contemplate if the compensation was irresistible.

There is no certainty on how much it would take to trigger band-one compensation, which delivers a first-round pick, since last year’s new collective bargaining agreement, which will significantly spike player wages in the seasons ahead.

One of Zurhaar’s agents, Tom McConville, of Mac’s Sports, told the AFL’s media arm: “He’s a free agent, so he’s done his time and put himself in the position to really have a good think about what he wants to do … he’s got a fair bit to weigh up, so [it is] unclear as to where it sits at the moment.”

McConville also confirmed there was “a lot” of interest in the North Melbourne forward.

The Saints commonly swing for the fences – think Jordan De Goey and Tom De Koning – and are not afraid or embarrassed to miss, with Kangaroos midfielder Luke Davies-Uniacke, a “pre-agent” this year, one of their prime targets.

Then there are Luke Beveridge’s and Sam Power’s Bulldogs.

They appear to be mired in another middle-of-the-road season, with restricted free agent and last year’s All-Australian ruckman Tim English, Bailey Smith, 2020 No.1 pick Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (who is set to stay on a two- or four-year deal) and West Australian key defender Jedd Busslinger still unsigned beyond this season.

Caleb Daniel (2026) and Jack Macrae (2027) are both contracted, but were left out or used as the substitute at times this year, which opposition clubs have not missed.

Busslinger is one of only two first-round picks from the 2022 draft – along with Sydney’s Jacob Konstanty – yet to put pen to paper on an extension after Mattaes Phillipou’s re-commitment at St Kilda.

With Tom Barrass and particularly Jeremy McGovern advanced in age, Busslinger seems a natural target for West Coast as the young gun waits to see where he fits in the Bulldogs’ plans before making a decision.

The 20-year-old, who is averaging 19 disposals and two intercept marks in the VFL this year, has not played a senior game since being the No.13 pick. It would be remiss of the Kangaroos and Hawks to not at least ask about Busslinger as well.

English’s name would be on the whiteboard in the Eagles’ war room as well.

Meanwhile, Hawthorn missed out on McKay and Esava Ratugolea last year and are still in need of key defensive help, as are North Melbourne, while the Hawks are also interested in out-of-contract Bulldog Smith.

Cat Jack Henry – another McConville client, who is expected to remain at Kardinia Park – Saint Josh Battle, Swan Lewis Melican, Giant Nick Haynes, Lion Darragh Joyce, Tiger Ben Miller, Demon Adam Tomlinson and Blue Sam Durdin are the modest free agency options for key defenders in 2024.

Battle, managed by Alex McDonald at Hemisphere Sports Management, is the pick of that group, if you exclude Henry, but has played every game for St Kilda this season and is more likely to stay.

Crows chief executive Tim Silvers has told anyone who will listen that they plan to be hyper-aggressive in the player movement space, illustrated in their willingness for Errol Gulden to tell them the length of contract he needed to jump ship.

The sole free agent Adelaide signed since Eddie Betts 11 years ago was delisted former Lion Mitch Hinge, so they are well overdue to make a splash there, although they did lure Jordan Dawson and Izak Rankine home in trades.

Sydney restricted free agent Will Hayward, from North Adelaide, looms as the obvious pivot now that Gulden stayed put for four more years, taking the All-Australian midfielder to free agency in 2028.

The question for the Crows is whether the Swan, largely a role player in red and white, is worth ponying up big money for. Sydney were displeased with their trade compensation for Dawson three years ago.

Brisbane’s restricted free agent midfielder Hugh McCluggage is also on Adelaide’s hit list as they look to upgrade their midfield stocks.

Unrestricted free agent Elliott Himmelberg is likely to join his brother Harry at the Giants, after Tom Doedee, Jake Kelly, Brad Crouch, Rory Atkins and Cam Ellis-Yolmen departed West Lakes the same way since 2019.
 
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giantroo said:



$800,000 for Zurhaar? The players and clubs who will be key to AFL’s silly season​


Marc McGowan

6–8 minutes


Richmond, Western Bulldogs and North Melbourne are among seven clubs that loom as major movers and shakers in this year’s player movement sweepstakes.

That trio joins Hawthorn, West Coast, Adelaide and St Kilda in occupying seven of the bottom eight spots on the ladder almost one-third of the way through the season while at varying stages of their list builds.

Each has big decisions to make on whether they are buyers or sellers, although some face the prospect of players choosing for them if they jump first.

The Eagles, buoyed by an injection of Harley Reid-infused optimism, project as potential buyers from two of the teams above, with ex-Tigers recruiting boss Matt Clarke now in charge of West Coast’s list.

The future for Liam Baker – who is on the Dockers’ and Eagles’ radar – and Jack Graham is interesting at Richmond; rivals should at least inquire about restricted free agent Blake Hardwick and fellow Hawk Changkuoth Jiath, whose injury history has complicated negotiations; and Cam Zurhaar’s restricted free agency situation at North promises to last many more months.

Fremantle are in a stronger position than West Coast to get a deal done for Baker, who is not a free agent, if he opts to return home, given they have three first-round selections and are already finals contenders, but player preference is usually the deciding factor in these cases.

Two list-management sources told this masthead on the condition of anonymity, to be able to speak more freely, that a club would consider paying Zurhaar as much as $800,000 a season to get him out of Arden Street.

That potential figure would, as with Ben McKay last year, prompt Brady Rawlings, Will Thursfield – newly promoted to retention manager, on top of his recruiting duties – and co. to contemplate if the compensation was irresistible.

There is no certainty on how much it would take to trigger band-one compensation, which delivers a first-round pick, since last year’s new collective bargaining agreement, which will significantly spike player wages in the seasons ahead.

One of Zurhaar’s agents, Tom McConville, of Mac’s Sports, told the AFL’s media arm: “He’s a free agent, so he’s done his time and put himself in the position to really have a good think about what he wants to do … he’s got a fair bit to weigh up, so [it is] unclear as to where it sits at the moment.”

McConville also confirmed there was “a lot” of interest in the North Melbourne forward.

The Saints commonly swing for the fences – think Jordan De Goey and Tom De Koning – and are not afraid or embarrassed to miss, with Kangaroos midfielder Luke Davies-Uniacke, a “pre-agent” this year, one of their prime targets.

Then there are Luke Beveridge’s and Sam Power’s Bulldogs.

They appear to be mired in another middle-of-the-road season, with restricted free agent and last year’s All-Australian ruckman Tim English, Bailey Smith, 2020 No.1 pick Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (who is set to stay on a two- or four-year deal) and West Australian key defender Jedd Busslinger still unsigned beyond this season.

Caleb Daniel (2026) and Jack Macrae (2027) are both contracted, but were left out or used as the substitute at times this year, which opposition clubs have not missed.

Busslinger is one of only two first-round picks from the 2022 draft – along with Sydney’s Jacob Konstanty – yet to put pen to paper on an extension after Mattaes Phillipou’s re-commitment at St Kilda.

With Tom Barrass and particularly Jeremy McGovern advanced in age, Busslinger seems a natural target for West Coast as the young gun waits to see where he fits in the Bulldogs’ plans before making a decision.

The 20-year-old, who is averaging 19 disposals and two intercept marks in the VFL this year, has not played a senior game since being the No.13 pick. It would be remiss of the Kangaroos and Hawks to not at least ask about Busslinger as well.

English’s name would be on the whiteboard in the Eagles’ war room as well.

Meanwhile, Hawthorn missed out on McKay and Esava Ratugolea last year and are still in need of key defensive help, as are North Melbourne, while the Hawks are also interested in out-of-contract Bulldog Smith.

Cat Jack Henry – another McConville client, who is expected to remain at Kardinia Park – Saint Josh Battle, Swan Lewis Melican, Giant Nick Haynes, Lion Darragh Joyce, Tiger Ben Miller, Demon Adam Tomlinson and Blue Sam Durdin are the modest free agency options for key defenders in 2024.

Battle, managed by Alex McDonald at Hemisphere Sports Management, is the pick of that group, if you exclude Henry, but has played every game for St Kilda this season and is more likely to stay.

Crows chief executive Tim Silvers has told anyone who will listen that they plan to be hyper-aggressive in the player movement space, illustrated in their willingness for Errol Gulden to tell them the length of contract he needed to jump ship.

The sole free agent Adelaide signed since Eddie Betts 11 years ago was delisted former Lion Mitch Hinge, so they are well overdue to make a splash there, although they did lure Jordan Dawson and Izak Rankine home in trades.

Sydney restricted free agent Will Hayward, from North Adelaide, looms as the obvious pivot now that Gulden stayed put for four more years, taking the All-Australian midfielder to free agency in 2028.

The question for the Crows is whether the Swan, largely a role player in red and white, is worth ponying up big money for. Sydney were displeased with their trade compensation for Dawson three years ago.

Brisbane’s restricted free agent midfielder Hugh McCluggage is also on Adelaide’s hit list as they look to upgrade their midfield stocks.

Unrestricted free agent Elliott Himmelberg is likely to join his brother Harry at the Giants, after Tom Doedee, Jake Kelly, Brad Crouch, Rory Atkins and Cam Ellis-Yolmen departed West Lakes the same way since 2019.
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Similar to my mail from a month ago that $800k-$1.0m a season is a possibility for Zurhaar.

Either way, it's close enough to Band 1 compo that we can squeeze it out of the bidding side vs trade capital they would have to give up.


We are going to go through hell and back, but if we land Band 1 compo for McKay, Zuhaar and LDU in consecutive drafts, it HAS to be the path the club looks to take to drag us out of this.

We are not getting out of this by trading for more Polecs, Williams, Stephensons, Hartungs, Walkers, Stephens and Fishers of the league.

The Smillie + Trainor combo should be what the club is setting as the goal at the end of the year.
 
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Arden_Nhillites said:
I agree, he is best mates with Simpkin so hopefully culture wise will enjoy the young team. However, the main point will help us be competitive in games and allow Wardlaw and the others to learn from a winning midfielder.

If Cunners stayed a little longer it would have provided the same benefit in terms of mentoring, but Clarry provides the on-field edge we probably need to help the confidence of the players and fans.
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He requires so much work in terms of club resources at the Dees to just keep on the park though.

There's a STRONG view within the club that having had Tarryn eat up all those resources last year and Jason the year before has been detrimental to the development of others.

Tldr physically he's a perfect fit for us, but he's not in the right place mentally or health wise.
 
DesertRoo said:
Clayton Oliver, never talked about as a leader but he certainly was the one on the ground that changed Melbournes fortunes.
he came in first year and put up ridiculous contested numbers around the ball.
Issues aside, he'd be perfect to slot into our midfield.
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I would love to go after both Oliver and McGluggage with an offer they couldnt refuse..This would set our midfield up for a lot of years to come.
Then if we could get them to commit early enough it might be enough for Zurrhar to decide to stay, it would also help with the LDU issue and might even attract some more players to want to come to North..
 
The Warlord said:
He requires so much work in terms of club resources at the Dees to just keep on the park though.

There's a STRONG view within the club that having had Tarryn eat up all those resources last year and Jason the year before has been detrimental to the development of others.

Tldr physically he's a perfect fit for us, but he's not in the right place mentally or health wise.
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If a team that is right in the middle of their premiership window is willing to offload one of their prime movers, then there's hairs all over it.



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Sphynx said:
Similar to my mail from a month ago that $800k-$1.0m a season is a possibility for Zurhaar.

Either way, it's close enough to Band 1 compo that we can squeeze it out of the bidding side vs trade capital they would have to give up.


We are going to go through hell and back, but if we land Band 1 compo for McKay, Zuhaar and LDU in consecutive drafts, it HAS to be the path the club looks to take to drag us out of this.

We are not getting out of this by trading for more Polecs, Williams, Stephensons, Hartungs, Walkers, Stephens and Fishers of the league.

The Smillie + Trainor combo should be what the club is setting as the goal at the end of the year.
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IF we did get band 1 compo for Zurhaar and ended with say 2+3 again, I would be looking to trade or split one of those picks.

Preferably for esdtablished talent.
 
I've made the internal decision that we are tanking this year for picks.

There is no other reasonable explanation.
Sphynx said:
Similar to my mail from a month ago that $800k-$1.0m a season is a possibility for Zurhaar.

Either way, it's close enough to Band 1 compo that we can squeeze it out of the bidding side vs trade capital they would have to give up.


We are going to go through hell and back, but if we land Band 1 compo for McKay, Zuhaar and LDU in consecutive drafts, it HAS to be the path the club looks to take to drag us out of this.

We are not getting out of this by trading for more Polecs, Williams, Stephensons, Hartungs, Walkers, Stephens and Fishers of the league.

The Smillie + Trainor combo should be what the club is setting as the goal at the end of the year.
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I tend to agree.

I'm almost of the believe (purely because I can't see a different logical perspective) that we are tanking this year to land those picks.


Fair to say we are 5 years away from being ultra competitive CZ will be 30, LDU pushing the same.

If we cash out this year and next, half our on-field team will be top 5 picks with the additions of Larkey AA, Powell who is looking handy, Scott who in the right position is fairly damaging etc etc etc
 
 
The Warlord said:
IF we did get band 1 compo for Zurhaar and ended with say 2+3 again, I would be looking to trade or split one of those picks.

Preferably for esdtablished talent.
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I wonder what established talent would be willing to join us that requires draft capital of that magnitude. We did very well convincing Logue to join us, and Fisher and Stevens too, but in each case, they were surplus to requirements at their previous club and it only took a pick in the 20s. To give up pick 2/3 you'd want a top 10 pick back along with an extremely good player.
 
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