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1990crow said:
He does turn 30 this year.
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He will still have 2 to 3 years of quality left in him. We need to go all in as our window is open now.

I would prefer an A grade midfielder in the 22 to 27 age but I don’t see any being available. We need to take what we can get before our window closes, albeit slightly.
 
Crow till I die said:
You seriously would want to haggle if it was a swap option?
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Yes. I wouldn't want to give away something of small value for something worth nothing

Plus that draft pick might actually be useful in replacing some of the guys on our list

We currently have picks 18, 41, 50 and 54 to use at the draft to replace at least Crouch, Murphy and Strachan and/or to take the minimum three selections. I don't believe we have any forced rookie elevations.

Getting pick 44 off Carlton is better than using pick 50 and who knows how much further up the draft you can get with 41 + 44 than 41 + 50
 
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Crow till I die said:
Sholl will most likely be a delist - I doubt anyone is going to offer anything up for him, so if there was a chance to swap him for a currently very low value alternative, you bite their arm off for it
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He's contracted for next year and has played 79 solid games. Yes he can't crack into the firsts of the #1 team on the ladder, but he'd be a first 22 player in a number of other lower sides.

There are loads of worse players traded each year for 3rd rounders
 
1970crow said:
If I offered you the 2026 and 2027 flags with a fire sale required in 2029, what would your answer be? The goal is to win flags, sometimes risks need to be taken and sometimes they don't come off. If you refuse to go all in, you probably don't end up getting it done. I'm more than happy to roll the dice and if the end result is that we have to dump a couple of players due to a squeeze in the future, then so be it. We don't know for certain that every flag winning club wasn't sitting on a future time bomb but have managed their way out of it without resorting to a fire sale. Hell, Suns managed to get themselves in the predicament without ever having even played finals. Its likely a lot more common than you think it is.
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exactly.
I'd rather be West Coast than us. Even though they are in the trenches right now, they still have the 2018 flag to fondly remember fresh in their minds.
 
jo172 said:
It's an interesting question as to how much shit you'd put up with for a flag.

5 wooden spoons?

10?
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There's probably a number of spoons that tips you over from "tactical tanking to rebuild with solid players" to "poorly run club that can't and won't win any time soon"

North's current run is definitely in the latter category. Richmond might be in the first category. West Coast teetering.

A proper rebuild only really requires 3-4 years down the bottom of the ladder and that might not even mean 4 consecutive spoons. Any longer than that, you get closer and close to club destroying territory
 
Scorpus said:
He's contracted for next year and has played 79 solid games. Yes he can't crack into the firsts of the #1 team on the ladder, but he'd be a first 22 player in a number of other lower sides.

There are loads of worse players traded each year for 3rd rounders
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At his very best, Sholl isn't a best 22 player for us. At his very best, I presume Hollands would actually be a best 22 player for us.

It's sort of a Bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush scenario. I reckon we have the list depth and performance to be able to take these kinds of risks now.
 
DJ75 said:
We should have brought Butts back in against North.
I trust him a whole lot more than Murray in finals. Butts knows his limitations. Murray still makes crazy errors.
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I reckon Butts' performances this year have been better than Murray's. I can understand Murray holding his position, but I doubt anyone is losing any sleep worrying about him waking up with gastro.
 
119others said:
Yes if I could have guaranteed flags I would certainly do this. I am sure you can see what the issue is here though.

Reidy has recently said our intention is to create the longest possible premiership window so not sure how the backloading factors into this - and in reality lets leave it as its a little hypothetical and I am sure we will all be happy starting with one flag this year
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A long premiership window requires keeping your required players. Backloading is a list management tool that allows you to have more value on your list in the current year than value in the open market.
 
119others said:
Getting TDK, Flying Ryan and SOS (rumoured) and keeping Nas has been a very good off season so far. Anything on top of that makes it next level inc Flanders. They have recruited well the last 4-5 years and do also have some young quality in their squad.

Not a basket case club like Weagles, Kangas and Power.
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Wouldn't call the Eagles a basket case. They're just soaking up draft pics atm.
 

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119others said:
Sounds like every baby boomer politician for the last 30 years creating unsustainable debt that future generations will be crippled by! Re backloading, its not smart and removes a lot of flexibility in the future to look at picking up opportunities that may arise (ie try not to be 100% fully invested at any point). And fire sales getting cents in the dollar is a very silly list management posn to ever put yourself in
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Do we really want Oliver on 1m+ per year..


THE EIGHT WORST MIDFIELD KICKS IN THE GAME​

1.Willem Drew
2.Adam Cerra
3.Clayton Oliver
4.Tim Kelly
5. Christian Petracca
6. Jason Horne-Francis
7. Zach Merrett
8. Jack Viney
*Based on kick ratings which factor in kick difficulty

So while Xavier Lindsay, Kozzie Pickett and Harvey Langford are the future as excellent kicks, how many terrible kicks can you have in your side?

On ratings points generated from a players’ kicks, no midfielder rated lower than Viney, contracted to 2028.

Oliver did appear to cover the ground much better in the last six weeks and had four 100-ranking point games in that time.

But last year he was the 244th rated player in the AFL and this year he improved only 12 spots to 232.

Given he and Petracca are worth over $1.5m a year in the back end of their contracts, it is hard to see how other sides would believe they are of good value.
 
119others said:
Do we really want Oliver on 1m+ per year..


THE EIGHT WORST MIDFIELD KICKS IN THE GAME​

1.Willem Drew
2.Adam Cerra
3.Clayton Oliver
4.Tim Kelly
5. Christian Petracca
6. Jason Horne-Francis
7. Zach Merrett
8. Jack Viney
*Based on kick ratings which factor in kick difficulty

So while Xavier Lindsay, Kozzie Pickett and Harvey Langford are the future as excellent kicks, how many terrible kicks can you have in your side?

On ratings points generated from a players’ kicks, no midfielder rated lower than Viney, contracted to 2028.

Oliver did appear to cover the ground much better in the last six weeks and had four 100-ranking point games in that time.

But last year he was the 244th rated player in the AFL and this year he improved only 12 spots to 232.

Given he and Petracca are worth over $1.5m a year in the back end of their contracts, it is hard to see how other sides would believe they are of good value.
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Petracca and JHF at their best are a fair bit more impactful per possession than most of those mentioned there.
 

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spenze said:
Jeez it must be hard being a Bombers fan at the moment. Team going crap, the shit Scott as your coach, all your good players want out and the only person looking to sign onto a longer contract is the shit Scott
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Just as well they sacked Rutten lol...
 
Would be very keen to get a guy like Merrett in, as long as it doesn't cost us the farm. Would be a serious get and propel us further into premiership conversations.
Not against taking a punt on E Hollands too. Put strict conditions on the contract, low risk, big reward of he realises his potential here.
Less convinced on Oliver. But if Burgess has a plan for him, and can vouch for him, and if they can get the price right, I could be more interested.
 
bigman said:
Merrett is a Cobden lad, can’t see him leaving Victoria when every Vic club would want him.
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Collingwood and Geelong are the only 2 VIC teams that look likely to compete for a flag in the remainder of Merretts career. St Kilda could join the chat if all this spending actually turns into on field performance (and that's a big IF in my opinion).

EDIT: Add Hawthorn to those teams, as Per P&S
 
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Betts are off said:
Collingwood and Geelong are the only 2 VIC teams that look likely to compete for a flag in the remainder of Merretts career. St Kilda could join the chat if all this spending actually turns into on field performance (and that's a big IF in my opinion).
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Hawthorn .. lol

Be almost like someone from either Carlton or Collingwood going the other way

Has worked out ok D'Ambrosio though
 

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