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From Mohammed, an Iraqi blogger.

The website is http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com




One square kilometer.


There’s an Iraqi proverb that says “when two Iraqis sit together to talk then politics will be there”. This saying was famous during the period of pluralism Iraqis lived before the 1958 military coup and shortly after.

This saying remained suitable in all times as Iraq was, and still a zone for international conflicts that had an impact on our psyche and on our ways of thinking.

Whenever we start a conversation about something we find ourselves somehow dragged into politics, the current events and the political history of Iraq.
This rule applies also to my house, where many friends gather every night to spend some time in chatting after a tough day of work. My group of friends includes people from different segments but still I don’t doubt the good will and nature of any of them.

Although our points of view regarding the change in Iraq vary from one to another, we all believe that getting rid of Saddam was a beautiful dream that has become a reality we live in and we all believe that the transition to a new life requires sacrifice but I feel that some of them have started to lose patience when they face a problem, which is a daily routine.

As in Baghdad’s extremely hot weather these days and when the electricity goes out the house becomes hot as hell which makes you curse even yourself and I don’t blame anyone for feeling so, since we have beared a lot and we know we have probably years before electricity in Iraq becomes stable and impatience remains an original part of human nature even if a better future was obvious and awaiting remains a burden that all humans share their hate for.

But when pessimism reaches an abnormal level then I’m totally against it and I’ll fight it strongly because it will hinder work and spread despair which is the last thing we need these days.
Yesterday the course of discussion lead to a debate about the economy of Iraq and if there was a hope for it to recover and also what has been accomplished since the end of the war. Was there really a reconstruction or not? And at what rate this process is going ? Is it at the desired pace?

As friends, conversation went among us nice and rational; there was optimism and there was constructive criticism with some exceptions. Our friendly meeting included two generations; ours and my father’s (the generation that ruled Iraq for 40 years and took the chance of three generations without allowing any to take its place). As the discussion heated up , one from the old generation burst out saying “nothing happened but the worst, the war destroyed us, our fortune was robbed and the ruins are everywhere. We haven’t seen in our lives a situation worse than this...” and went on in a criticism that was so bitter to reach the grade of despair which as I said I’ve always considered as a destructive attitude that achieves nothing but hindering, delaying and even destroying our efforts to pursue our future plans. He was parroting Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiyah.

I became really angry, however I waited for him to finish then I asked him if I could answer. “Sure I want to see how you’re going to answer” he replied, putting a challenging face.
I said:

-you claimed that Iraq’s fortune was robbed an that you didn’t see a real change or any reconstruction and I will answer you with a picture that you have to see everyday because it’s within a circle of one kilometer around your house and you have to see this picture every morning while you walk out of your house for whatever business you want to do.
He looked at me and said:

-What do you mean!?

-Ok, let’s start with the first thing you see when you get out of your house . The first building you will see is that of the law institute for higher studies which was destroyed after the 9th of April. Was it destroyed by an American bomb? No, it was destroyed by criminals who carried out Saddam’s plan in “burning Iraq before handing it to the Americans” joined by some selfish people and other ignorant and simple Iraqis who didn’t understand that soon after the 9th of April all the state belongings that were Saddam’s have become all-Iraqis’ belongings. Alright, this institute was rebuilt few months later and now it functions in a way better than before and help to create a new law system that is honest and independent and to me this is another and more important addition.

Ok, now let’s move for few tens of meters and you can find the publishing house that used to publish Uday’s hateful newspaper (Babil) this one also was not destroyed by American missiles and we all remember how the thieves left it as mere walls with the vents missing their robbed air conditioners. Ok, what happened later; it’s working now with full power after it was reconstructed and now it’s printing Al-Sabah news paper that you buy every morning. To me this one was also rebuilt twice; once as building and equipments and once as a trust worthy press instead of the pathetic old propaganda machine. Now I’m going to move for only another ten meters to find the (open educational college) where teachers improve their teaching methods, this one, uncle was also not destroyed by American bombs but by the same way as the former two buildings and now we can see that it was soon reconstructed and a few days ago they celebrated the graduation of a new bunch of their students.

Ok, let’s take a look at the adjacent building which is for the transport department in the ministry of trade. We watched that building being robbed in the same way. Do I have to remind you sir that this building was rebuilt and it’s back to work?
I don’t think I have to; you see it every morning.

I’ll move for another 50 meters and cross the street where lies one of the former evil military institutes that was used to train professional butchers; it wasn’t a target for American missiles but was robbed by some sick people who left it as ruins, and you know uncle how the American unit in charge of this area turned it into a residency for students who come from other governorates to study in Baghdad. Now they have air conditioning, hot and cold water and decent bedrooms.

Ok I’m still walking within this single kilometer that you see every day and I’ll walk for another 100 meters to find the ministry of labor and social affairs; this building was not destroyed by American missiles but the thugs attacked it and ruined and robbed everything they found in it. Don’t you see this building every day with its new look after it was rebuilt and started to function again.

I’ll walk for a couple hundreds of meters in another direction to take a look at the beautiful building of the ministry of financial affairs; looting and fire caused more damage to this building than what a missile would cause, look at it now and enjoy its new look without Saddam’s portrait that was covering a whole side of the building.

Here my father tried to interrupt me but I insisted on going to the end with my speech and I added addressing everyone:
I didn’t exceed an area of one kilometer-that we all see and pass by every day-in this round. I have mentioned a lot of things but I also forgot a lot more like all the schools and public clinics that were rebuilt within this area. Now, do you still have doubts about where our oil money went?

And I’m not talking about the whole country here, have you asked yourselves why the exchange price is 1500 now instead of 2200 in Saddam’s days?

And do you think that a 100 times raise for some employees salaries doesn’t represent a part of the money you were talking about? Don’t you notice the private businesses that are starting and those that are booming?

Here one of my friends turned to our pessimist guest asking him “haven’t you turned an old dirty shop into a network gaming hall?”

Here I turned back to my father’s friend:

Isn’t this an addition to your country? And I see that you’re carrying a cell phone that rings every now and then, don’t you consider this an addition? Don’t you see that goods in Baghdad’s streets are being stockpiled and shown on the sidewalks because stores can’t hold all that stuff. Isn’t this telling you something?

Here I end my speech uncle and I’m not going to mention freedom of speech, pluralism and more than 200 newspapers and a satellite dish for nearly every house and hundreds of internet cafe’s to bring you hundreds of views instead of one.

You’re looking with one eye closed and this will do us no good , we need two eyes, two ears and an open mind if we wanted to locate mistakes and find solutions during this phase.
Giving up and whining is no criticism, it’s destruction.
If you had the chance to make some calculations for what was spent till now I’m sure that you’re going to find out that oil revenues were not enough and I’m sure that someone had given us a hand!.

I wonder who would that be? Russia? France? Germany? Or probably Syria? No, no wait, it must be Iran, right?
Then I told myself: if some Iraqis, living in Iraq, watching the changes being done under their noses fail to see the truth and still depend on the media to tell them what’s going on in their own country then how can we blame people who live thousands of miles away for thinking similarly!?

By Mohammed.
 
I thought the war was about WMDs or was liberation? Or Oil? Or 'Gee aren't we goods guys" The reason seems to cahnge week to week.
 

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Originally posted by BlueMark
I thought the war was about WMDs or was liberation? Or Oil? Or 'Gee aren't we goods guys" The reason seems to cahnge week to week.

Oh well, it's just an Iraqi blogger. No-one of any importance whatsoever.
 
Originally posted by GuruJane
Oh well, it's just an Iraqi blogger. No-one of any importance whatsoever.

Yes, and Iraqi blogger 'blogging' on a web site hosted on an American web server. I wonder what ever happened to those 'misinformation' centres that the US admitted they were setting up prior to the invasion of Iraq??

No, you don't spread propaganda, do you Jane?

Oh, I get it, Iraqi's are only important if they agree with the occupation!

Honest question Jane, are you on the CIA payroll??
 
Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
Gee, my Iraqi blogger is bigger than yours...:rolleyes:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com

My point? It's irrelevant...

The point is the AGE is not interested in any rebuilding in Iraq. GJ is making a point about the AGE. It has a focus on the politics of destruction. Not an actuality of subsequent rebuilding.
 
Originally posted by notenoughteams
The point is the AGE is not interested in any rebuilding in Iraq. GJ is making a point about the AGE. It has a focus on the politics of destruction. Not an actuality of subsequent rebuilding.

Thank you.
 
Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
Gee, my Iraqi blogger is bigger than yours...:rolleyes:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com

My point? It's irrelevant...

Interestingly Riverbend (who I log into every day) hasn't blogged since June the 18 so has made no comment whatsoever about the new Iraqi interim govt. She writes a great blog, although its pretty obvious her family were Baathists or at least Baathist beneficiaries. She doesn't like to talk much about that.
 
Originally posted by GuruJane
Interestingly Riverbend (who I log into every day) hasn't blogged since June the 18 so has made no comment whatsoever about the new Iraqi interim govt. She writes a great blog, although its pretty obvious her family were Baathists or at least Baathist beneficiaries. She doesn't like to talk much about that.
Actually she does comment on the interim govt and is none to complimentary about them.

Calls them puppets of the US amongst other things.

Smart girl.
 
Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
Actually she does comment on the interim govt and is none to complimentary about them.

Calls them puppets of the US amongst other things.

Smart girl.

Well, can you post that DD? Even the link you posted is the old June 18 one.
 

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Originally posted by GuruJane
Well, can you post that DD? Even the link you posted is the old June 18 one.

I see you haven't posted a Riverbend reference to the interim govt.

I think you were probably talking about her views on the Iraqi Governing Council?
 
Originally posted by GuruJane
I see you haven't posted a Riverbend reference to the interim govt.

I think you were probably talking about her views on the Iraqi Governing Council?
You obviously didn't read her june 18 blog.

Specifically mentions Allawi amongst others.
 
Originally posted by Dippers Donuts
You obviously didn't read her june 18 blog.

Specifically mentions Allawi amongst others.

Sorry DD, you're absolutely right. I'm intrigued she hasn't posted since now the Iraqi govt has taken over, but no doubt there is a good reason.

It's interesting that she does not seem to know who President Yawer is. Her dismissal of Allawi as being paid by the CIA is also interesting for what it doesn't mention ... Allawi being an ex Baathist who spent more than a year in hospital in London after a murder attempt by Saddam's secret police. I can't remember Riverbend ever making one negative comment about Saddam and the Baathists. I guess that's why I find her blog the most interesting of the lot of them.

I think you are wrong to dismiss this as "my blogger is better than yours" ... reading multiplicity of Iraqi blogsites imo is by far the best way to get a sense of what is really happening there as opposed to the media snapshots which inevitably focus on the violence.

Lestat derided the credibility of Iraq The Model by saying it was on an American server. But wouldn't most of the Iraqi blogsites go through US servers?? I'm an internet ignoramus, so would appreciate some info on this.
 
I dunno. I had a look at the site, and the first thing I saw was a justification of the rounding up of hundreds of suspects in the Bab Al-Sheikh and Al-Kifah neighborhoods - apperently it's ok to just go in and arrest everyone in sight because the area is well known for "drug dealing, car jacking, murders, looting and burgling ". Then it is further justified because pro-Saddam slogans had been seen on the walls there. And then a link is forged between criminal activity and organised resistance, on the basis that criminals would benefit from the chaos that resistance brings. etc etc

I think the key thing here is that it is seen as ok to go into an area renowned for crime and round people up - and that it is supposed to have the effect that "when those watch their colleagues being captured they will think twice before they continue with their crimes." Well, the justification is that the area is a criminal area, so performing the crimes is not the pretext for the arrests - living there is.

That blog had no name attached to it.

I had a look at the comments, and I couldn't find one that was in any way critical of what was posted. There was a reference to the 'Pinkos at CBS' though.

There also appears to be an unhealthy reliance on Al Sabah, an Iraqi newspaper financially under the control of Harris Corp, which is run by a US contractor. A lot of journalists at Al Sabah seem to have been very dissatisfied with the direction the newspaper has taken, and are attempting to establish their own, financially and politically independent, newspaper.

I'm not sure much of what is posted on Iraq The Model can be taken as the unadulterated truth. Ther seems to be a very pro-US, right wing slant to it.
 
While we're at it, Jane, I'd love to know why a true-leftist like yourself chose to quote a blog from a site with so many links to right-wing bloggers.
 
Originally posted by RogerC
I dunno. I had a look at the site, and the first thing I saw was a justification of the rounding up of hundreds of suspects in the Bab Al-Sheikh and Al-Kifah neighborhoods - apperently it's ok to just go in and arrest everyone in sight because the area is well known for "drug dealing, car jacking, murders, looting and burgling ". Then it is further justified because pro-Saddam slogans had been seen on the walls there. And then a link is forged between criminal activity and organised resistance, on the basis that criminals would benefit from the chaos that resistance brings. etc etc

I think the key thing here is that it is seen as ok to go into an area renowned for crime and round people up - and that it is supposed to have the effect that "when those watch their colleagues being captured they will think twice before they continue with their crimes." Well, the justification is that the area is a criminal area, so performing the crimes is not the pretext for the arrests - living there is.


I don't get this?

Aren't you aware that domestic security has been a major problem in Iraq since the war? Don't you remember that Saddam emptied the gaols of all the crooks? Don't you remember the looting the US failed to stop?

Aren't you aware that the new sovereign Iraqi govt is taking over responsibility for internal security and has to prove itself to the people?

Aren't you aware that in every poll taken in Iraq, the Iraqis have put internal security at the top of their wish list and second, that the security by provided by an Iraqi govt and an Iraqi police/security force?

What should that new govt be doing? NOT making an attempt to round up the crooks? Fair go, joe.

That blog had no name attached to it.


The name was on the end of it. Omar. As I understand it these are three Iraqi brothers and they are all dentists.

I had a look at the comments, and I couldn't find one that was in any way critical of what was posted. There was a reference to the 'Pinkos at CBS' though.


And so what does that prove?

There also appears to be an unhealthy reliance on Al Sabah, an Iraqi newspaper financially under the control of Harris Corp, which is run by a US contractor. A lot of journalists at Al Sabah seem to have been very dissatisfied with the direction the newspaper has taken, and are attempting to establish their own, financially and politically independent, newspaper.

I'm not sure much of what is posted on Iraq The Model can be taken as the unadulterated truth. Ther seems to be a very pro-US, right wing slant to it.

I never said it was the unadulterated truth!!! iraqthemodel is just a perspective. That's what all blogs are.
Reading a multiplicity of Iraqi bloggers over the entire political range gives you a reasonable idea of what is actually happening on the ground, as opposed to the western media snapshots which are always violence and terror focussed.

If you want to put iraqthemodel into its place on the political spectrum, have a look at

http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/archives/2004_06_01_hammorabi_archive.html#108742836360095559
 
Originally posted by RogerC
While we're at it, Jane, I'd love to know why a true-leftist like yourself chose to quote a blog from a site with so many links to right-wing bloggers.

Actually I came to this website via two LEFT WING websites!

Not that it matters.

Roger, ages ago I posted links to three Iraqi bloggers ... left, centre and right. No-one here showed much interest then. But now I think people are.

Since then have found another 3 or 4 (including iraqthemodel) and I read ALL of them regularly.

If I get time, I'll put up all the links.

You know, pre war ... Iraqis weren't allowed to own mobile phones. Or satellite dishes. Or connect to the internet. People found doing so were tortured and sometimes their familes were too.

The growth of information technology has absolutely taken over Iraq since Saddam and the Baathists were removed.
 
All I was saying there was that widespread rounding up of people in a designated area (which is what that sounded like to me) is not the kind of tactic I'd be praising.

You're right that Saddam released all these crooks. He also put them in there - you'd have to wonder what they're guilty of when a criminal jails them, if you know what I mean. Or is it that a madman can have a rational approach to law and order?

Apologies on the Omar thing. I saw 'by Mohammed' and 'by Ali' at the end of other posts, which were all posted by Omar, and made a duff assumption.

My little dig at the 'pinko' thing was just a suspicion that the site was pandering to Right Wing thinkers. When I'm not seeing contributions from either side of the political spectrum, I get suspicious. And I start wondering exactly who Omar, Ali and Mohammed are. Forgive me. There's been a lot of disinformation masquerading as fact lately (as Lord Butler has discovered) and I tend to get suspicious.

And I don't know where you get your links from, but I did think it odd that there were a lot of Right Wing links on the site.
 
Originally posted by RogerC
All I was saying there was that widespread rounding up of people in a designated area (which is what that sounded like to me) is not the kind of tactic I'd be praising.

You're right that Saddam released all these crooks. He also put them in there - you'd have to wonder what they're guilty of when a criminal jails them, if you know what I mean. Or is it that a madman can have a rational approach to law and order?

Apologies on the Omar thing. I saw 'by Mohammed' and 'by Ali' at the end of other posts, which were all posted by Omar, and made a duff assumption.

My little dig at the 'pinko' thing was just a suspicion that the site was pandering to Right Wing thinkers. When I'm not seeing contributions from either side of the political spectrum, I get suspicious. And I start wondering exactly who Omar, Ali and Mohammed are. Forgive me. There's been a lot of disinformation masquerading as fact lately (as Lord Butler has discovered) and I tend to get suspicious.

And I don't know where you get your links from, but I did think it odd that there were a lot of Right Wing links on the site.

Well, it could be a CIA front.

It could be Iraqis who are actually relieved there are some right wingers out there supporting their liberation from a hideous totalitarian regime.

Iraqis could even be people like us with a range of political and existential perspectives who have been at last given a voice.

I don't know. I just like reading all of them and hoping they are all real.
 
I see Mohammed the blogger doesn't mention the destruction and degradation of the infrastructure that was caused by UN sanctions and constant bombing sorties by the US and UK over the last 15 or so years. Obviously the local opportunists caused all the real destruction.
 
Originally posted by GuruJane
The growth of information technology has absolutely taken over Iraq since Saddam and the Baathists were removed.
It's cheaper and quicker to throw up satellite dishes and mobile phone towers and piggy back on the existing phone infrastructure (upgrading exchanges and so on) than it is to wire everyone up from scratch. This happened to some extent in the former communist countries in Eastern Europe (at the time ITC gear was more expensive) and some parts of Africa and India too.

We're not seeing some revolution in information technology from a world-wide perspective. It's an expected result. You'd be worried if it didn't happen with the current glut of ICT hardware and software on the world market.

But to your average Iraqi on the ground (and, obviously, less-informed-than-they-think-they-are rightie commentator) it's a revolution beyond their wildest dreams.
 

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