News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[Elixuh]

What a pathetic troll you've become. Very little substance in any of your posts.

My response was commensurate to the brain dead reply from your Saints colleague. Do better.

 

[briztoon]

Hopefully they also address Sydney and Brisbane being able to double dip having full academy rights and father/son picks they get the best of both worlds it’s needs to stop

Elite Talent Program

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[BARGE ARSE]

Last time I checked the Saints have an NGA and are able to access FS talent. The mighty Sainters sob story continues to be unmatched.

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[Shagga is all Class]

Youre arguing with a Brisbane fan.

Yes, WB, North and SK and to an extent, Melbourne, are completely ignored by the afl.

They DGAF about SA or WA teams either, why cant they have academies to combat the go home factor?

The system is designed to prevent 4 teams from requiring a hard rebuild as extended periods at the bottom for any of these teams really hurt the $$$.

The Swans CEO sold Carey for 10 grand and Longmire for 60 to their ex-recruiter.

Longmire kicked 8 for NSW to beat Victoria in 1990, the first official year of the AFL.

The Swans had enough direct access to local talent back then.

The comp never needed academies, or COLAs in the first place.

 

[Yoda_]

dont know where else to put it but the Bachar Houli

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Academy is taking on an Eddie Betts Foundation side today

bit of interest with a fair number of these in our NGA. Id assume some would be eligible for Carlton, North maybe, Dogs.

ive managed to find a team list for the Bachar Houli

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side but nothing for the Eddie Betts side

anyone have ideas on where to find one ?

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

They also need to revise the list of countries and regions that count for NGA status.

If South Africans like Cam McKenzie and Neil Erasmus qualify, then players with South American or Pacific Islander heritage should be eligible too.

 

[giantroo]

dont know where else to put it but the Bachar Houli Academy is taking on an Eddie Betts Foundation side today

bit of interest with a fair number of these in our NGA. Id assume some would be eligible for Carlton, North maybe, Dogs.

ive managed to find a team list for the Bachar Houli side but nothing for the Eddie Betts side

anyone have ideas on where to find one ?

 

[Yoda_]

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got them from the broadcast too, thanks mate

 

[My_Username]

The Swans CEO sold Carey for 10 grand and Longmire for 60 to their ex-recruiter.

Longmire kicked 8 for NSW to beat Victoria in 1990, the first official year of the AFL.

The Swans had enough direct access to local talent back then.

The comp never needed academies, or COLAs in the first place.

Swans had rights to Longmire & Carey because the clubs all had zones back then.

If we went back to that we'd basically get rid of the draft and just have academies.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Swans had rights to Longmire & Carey because the clubs all had zones back then.

If we went back to that we'd basically get rid of the draft and just have academies.

Why have academies at all run by clubs?

North played the last 7 U19s Grand Finals but the AFL took player development out of the clubs hands in favour of the U18s comp and the draft equalisation model at the end of 91.

The Swans made a Grand Final by 96, Brisbane a prelim with their choice of 8 Fitzroy players at the end of that season.

On what planet did these clubs need special academy rules and Cola on top?

 

[My_Username]

Why have academies at all run by clubs?

North played the last 7 U19s Grand Finals but the AFL took player development out of the clubs hands in favour of the U18s comp and the draft equalisation model at the end of 91.

The Swans made a Grand Final by 96, Brisbane a prelim with their choice of 8 Fitzroy players at the end of that season.

On what planet did these clubs need special academy rules and Cola on top?

The planet where players kept leaving some clubs to 'go home'.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

The planet where players kept leaving some clubs to 'go home'.

Blakey stayed home from my understanding, and got to his club of choice with a 20% discount for a team regularly playing finals.

Was he going to be lost to football, if the Swans academy did not step in?

359 games at 2 clubs says otherwise.

Would go home Horne Francis have pulled some wedge into the Port academy stunt to stay as Port with a 20% discount to avoid North full stop, if he could?

Would Nathan Buckey have pulled a “I have a Collingwood postal address” stunt to get into a Collingwood academy directly if he could with a 20% discount, giving the bottom placed Bears the same Darren Jarman treatment?

The current academy rules must be pretty loose, if you can just stay home and get to your club of choice by knowing the outcome of your draft nomination.

 

[kuhni]

The planet where players kept leaving some clubs to 'go home'.

That time has been and gone, Queensland has had the highest net interstate migration numbers for a good 5 years. Destination state for lifestyle reasons.

 

[danster168]

Just have 2 comps. 1 for the Lions, Pies, Dogs and another one for all the other teams that aren't given such obvious advantages. Yes, I'm being flippant but I've said it for years, premierships don't mean anything anymore because the competition isn't equal. Or remotely close.

 

[Elixuh]

Just have 2 comps. 1 for the Lions, Pies, Dogs and another one for all the other teams that aren't given such obvious advantages. Yes, I'm being flippant but I've said it for years, premierships don't mean anything anymore because the competition isn't equal. Or remotely close.

You’re an honorary lion, Danny. You don’t mean that.

 

[hammer180]

Fatherson 3peat
Get excited

 

[danster168]

You’re an honorary lion, Danny. You don’t mean that.

I better have got some respect in the rayner thread after his 2 effective touches to 3/4 time for the record, i was 100% going for brisbane.

nothing against brisbane. its not their fault they benefited more than any other club in history (dogs not far off) . I'd be thrilled but its just not a level playing field and shame on all the people who are only seeing it now and didn't see it 10 years ago when I was dead against these rules.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

You can't expect to pay with a packet of used Twisties though as you've done the last two times and this year. I'm all for keeping the academy, it's needed for a number of reasons, but it has to be fair value for elite talent. I'd say the same thing if it involved Swans players and our academy. Keep it but pay what is fair under market conditions not some arbitrary point curve which is horrid.

It SHOULD be very tough to match a talent in the top 5 let alone in the top 1-3. Your club will need to make a call, do you want the talent or do you want to keep x (lets say a Bailey or a Hipwood, etc).

All the new system is saying is the club needs to pay the exactl equivalent of what lets say pick 3 is in a live sale. Think what Carlton gave up last year for the rights to Jagga Smith, it's doable but it's a heavy price.

Jagga (not withstanding wces poor trading) is a great example. So you stockpile picks hard for a player like annable and accept you will lose best 22 players to keep a draft hand or you let the guy in the open pool. I agree with you.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Jagga (not withstanding wces poor trading) is a great example. So you stockpile picks hard for a player like annable and accept you will lose best 22 players to keep a draft hand or you let the guy in the open pool. I agree with you.

Yep I mean whatever WCE did is well you know but at least we have a vague guide of 10&14 being worth pick 3. Up to the clubs to get that value to match a top 3 talent

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It's easier to collude rather than try to go around begging for a first on draft night. See north Melbourne how long it took for them to get Whitlock pick. The club needs ridiculous forward planning in terms of trading players for a potential new one - or just collude and tank.

The afl just needs to crack down harder on that including fining agents and de registering them so that doesnt keep happening.

 

[MisterMarcus]

I feel it's going to be hard to have a genuine sensible discussion about this, because it's just going to be seen as sour grapes from opposition supporters about "Brisbane getting too strong".

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Whatever changes are made to points scale and discounts...
It should be possible to match with the very next pick.
Even if that means the rules say: [blah blah blah] OR use the next pick.

 

[GoRoos2023]

Ditto indigenous academies. There are indigenous communities of significant disadvantage where encouraging steps to make the game accessible to them is extremely admirable.

That your dad can have played AFL at the highest level and be a high earner living in a city and going to an expensive college really shouldn't get you through the door. By way of example Fremantle not being able to get Jesse Motlop was the right result. Insane that had he been drafter a few years later that he would have been academy eligible as a player potentially lost to football.

Sydney getting Nick Blakey is the most ridiculous ones. Dad played 350 games and was an assistant coach for Sydney!

 

[mpal6]

I feel it's going to be hard to have a genuine sensible discussion about this, because it's just going to be seen as sour grapes from opposition supporters about "Brisbane getting too strong".

Nah, we can have some fair discussion as well. Considering we are looking like losing our best 22 in Ah Chee and Starcevich potentially, it'll be like us getting to an even playing field than get players for a pack of twisties as others have said.

 

[mpal6]

The afl just needs to crack down harder on that including fining agents and de registering them so that doesnt keep happening.

Mate, it's been happening forever in the "I want to stay in Victoria, don't want to be drafted interstate" story. There was no crackdown on that, let's see how AFL goes in managing it for starters.