News AFL overhauls Academy and FS bid matching, discussing draft lockout

[LukeParkerno1]

Beyond fair that’s absolutely laughable it’s not even close to being fair. Drafts are supposed to be the number 1 tool for equalisation yet we clubs that finish at the bottom not having access to the best talent and people wonder why clubs are getting stuck in forever rebuilds . You talk about the limit of only two players that doesn’t mean a Lot if they end up being multiple top ten picks like this year

That’s why the changes are coming in boy your club loves a whinge all this despite getting how many free agents this year?There are inequalities regardless on the club. Northern clubs have more of them.

The rule coming in will limit a bid match to two picks that is it. Do you realise how much a bid at 5 would cost? Two top 15 selections, that’s very steep but it’s fair. So you are giving up a very good player OR your future 1 to get that second first in. That’s what will be the cost. The access will be there the cost is a lot steeper. It’s fair!

 

[SC_Power]

That’s why the changes are coming in boy your club loves a whinge all this despite getting how many free agents this year?There are inequalities regardless on the club. Northern clubs have more of them.

The rule coming in will limit a bid match to two picks that is it. Do you realise how much a bid at 5 would cost? Two top 15 selections, that’s very steep but it’s fair. So you are giving up a very good player OR your future 1 to get that second first in. That’s what will be the cost. The access will be there the cost is a lot steeper. It’s fair!

Maybe this is how it should happen instead.

If a club bids for one of Port Adelaide’s NGA prospects at Pick 5, and Port need to use 2 top 15 picks to match it, the two teams are required to trade the equivalent picks before matching. Port gets the pick 5, the bidding clubs get the 2 x top 15 picks, then Port uses the Pick 5 to match it. How funny would that be?

That’s not fair, right? Maybe the AFL will do it then.

 

[Ashman23]

Maybe this is how it should happen instead.

If a club bids for one of Port Adelaide’s NGA prospects at Pick 5, and Port need to use 2 top 15 picks to match it, the two teams are required to trade the equivalent picks before matching. Port gets the pick 5, the bidding clubs get the 2 x top 15 picks, then Port uses the Pick 5 to match it. How funny would that be?

That’s not fair, right? Maybe the AFL will do it then.

The AFL could do that and also go a step further. Something I've seen others suggest in this thread is the FA comp pick gets taken from the new FA's club and given to the club who lose the player rather than a magically created pick being inserting into the draft order, then every other club doesn't move back one spot.

 

[fnerd]

We aren’t keeping an academy running to get scraps

???

But I thought the role of academy’s (as repeated by basically every northern teams supporters) was all about
“Growing the game”…. “Expanding the talent pool”.. and “saving these poor young men from the ghastly grips of rugby league and or other sports”??

….. northern clubs getting continuous amounts of high end talent on the dirt cheap as a result was just a fortunate by product needed for the good of the game!!!….apparently!

So what your saying is without getting such a ridiculous competitive advantage all of a sudden the said reasons of AFL expansion presumably behind these academies were all just facade for clubs self interest ??

Well I never!!…..

 

[LukeParkerno1]

???

But I thought the role of academy’s (as repeated by basically every northern teams supporters) was all about
“Growing the game”…. “Expanding the talent pool”.. and “saving these poor young men from the ghastly grips of rugby league and or other sports”??

….. northern clubs getting continuous amounts of high end talent on the dirt cheap as a result was just a fortunate by product needed for the good of the game!!!….apparently!

So what your saying is without getting such a ridiculous competitive advantage all of a sudden the said reasons of AFL expansion presumably behind these academies were all just facade for clubs self interest ??

Well I never!!…..

Every club gets competitive advantages your club does- every WA player you can bring back. There’s inequality everywhere in every single side.

The main role of academies is simply put to reduce go home mummies boys. That’s the main role, you take out the top line of these then there’s MORE go home with a player from somewhere else.

We put millions into the academy it’s quite reasonable to expect something back in return otherwise why on earth are we doing it. The AFL does not want to run them they tried it failed.

All for having to pay the right price but they have it spot on with the upcoming changes

 

[fnerd]

Every club gets competitive advantages your club does- every WA player you can bring back. There’s inequality everywhere in every single side.

The main role of academies is simply put to reduce go home mummies boys. That’s the main role, you take out the top line of these then there’s MORE go home with a player from somewhere else.

We put millions into the academy it’s quite reasonable to expect something back in return otherwise why on earth are we doing it. The AFL does not want to run them they tried it failed.

All for having to pay the right price but they have it spot on with the upcoming changes

Yeah not going to take it further with ya LP1 as your decent poster , just makes me laugh when northern club supporters pretend otherwise as opposed to what you’ve outlined in your response.

At least the AFL finally seem to be getting serious on the issue - as for going far enough well ll just have to see -but sounds promising.

The other factors that I hope get addressed are FA compo- either get rid of it entirely or make it such that the club losing the FA best option is always to match and at least force a trade
— no more the rest of clubs paying for one clubs FA
Along with a lowering of the salary floor even from 95 down to 92, at least give the bottom clubs some genuine cash to compete with the top clubs promises of success etc

 

[Tasmanian saint]

The AFL could do that and also go a step further. Something I've seen others suggest in this thread is the FA comp pick gets taken from the new FA's club and given to the club who lose the player rather than a magically created pick being inserting into the draft order, then every other club doesn't move back one spot.

Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of free agency as you would effectively be trading a pick for them

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of free agency as you would effectively be trading a pick for them

Not at all, because the club losing the player still can't prevent the freedom of movement or the freedom of choice of all contracts.

At least in theory before free agency the pre-season draft still exists.

 

[bluebaggerjuls]

just get rid of high compo picks thus leading to more teams forcing a trade

 

[Tasmanian saint]

That’s why the changes are coming in boy your club loves a whinge all this despite getting how many free agents this year?There are inequalities regardless on the club. Northern clubs have more of them.

The rule coming in will limit a bid match to two picks that is it. Do you realise how much a bid at 5 would cost? Two top 15 selections, that’s very steep but it’s fair. So you are giving up a very good player OR your future 1 to get that second first in. That’s what will be the cost. The access will be there the cost is a lot steeper. It’s fair!

Your still getting priority access to potentially the best talent in the draft every year regardless of your ladder position that is not fair whatsoever , the new system is somewhat better but doesn’t go anywhere near far enough .

 

[thistimeforsure]

Every club gets competitive advantages your club does- every WA player you can bring back. There’s inequality everywhere in every single side.

The main role of academies is simply put to reduce go home mummies boys. That’s the main role, you take out the top line of these then there’s MORE go home with a player from somewhere else.

We put millions into the academy it’s quite reasonable to expect something back in return otherwise why on earth are we doing it. The AFL does not want to run them they tried it failed.

All for having to pay the right price but they have it spot on with the upcoming changes

Oh my lord

VIC WA and SA fans are paying for all those millions

Swans at least are middling in the handout line the rest of them … WHAT ? Take our academies away and we will stop spending millions of your money on them

OH NO

 

[sydney_gws]

What exactly will the new system be?

 

[SC_Power]

 

[Ashman23]

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Is it bad that I read them in Trump's voice?

 

[Elixuh]

Glad they’re addressing the disgusting NGA rort.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Glad they’re addressing the disgusting NGA rort.

Just streamline them and it's easy and fair. The NGA's are a bit of a 'rort' then again the matching price for all of them are. It's finding the balance that's Swann's job now. Finding a middle ground where everyone is slightly annoyed is fair.

 

[Jen2310]

When they say tightning up eligibiliity criteria, I wonder what that will entail. And how that may affect players already in your academy.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

When they say tightning up eligibiliity criteria, I wonder what that will entail. And how that may affect players already in your academy.

Stuff like both parents needing to be immigrant, not just one?
If the kid is born overseas it's not just that his parents were on temporary relocation?
Maybe kid should not have been playing footy before a certain age - ie need to be a genuine 'convert'?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Stuff like both parents needing to be immigrant, not just one?
If the kid is born overseas it's not just that his parents were on temporary relocation?
Maybe kid should not have been playing footy before a certain age - ie need to be a genuine 'convert'?

There's stories like Lin Jong whose immigrant parents, who while supportive, did not understand the nuances of Australian culture and society enough to understand how to ferry around their kid through local footy, rep squads, how to get their most out of their kid. Lin kicked the ball around with his school mates at lunch time and played in the state school competition with them (which isn't really a proper competition where you get coached etc.) until he was 14 or 15 and his mates convinced him to go down to their local club. Within a year or two he was in the TAC system, but it's easy to see how he could have been lost to AFL forever. With NGA he may have had a better AFL career. Without NGA there's almost certainly stories of just as talented footballers who couldn't convince their parents and they were lost to AFL forever, but we'll never know who they are as they're just some random Asian kid in Melbourne lost to the void.

That's what the NGA's should be for - for communities whose families are unfamiliar with the ingrained nature of footy, and are hesitant to let their kids play because they simply don't understand it or are unfamiliar. Have someone come in, explain the time commitment, explain the benefits of playing footy, all with cultural sensitivities.

The current issue you have is that there are NGA eligible players among families who are not unfamiliar with Australian culture, such as having a single parent born overseas that then moved to Australia as a child and married an Australian-born partner. They are not unfamiliar with Australian football culture any differently to a family that can trace their lineage back to the first fleet or whatever.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Glad they’re addressing the disgusting NGA rort.

Hopefully they also address Sydney and Brisbane being able to double dip having full academy rights and father/son picks they get the best of both worlds it’s needs to stop

 

[swuzzlebubble]

There's stories like Lin Jong whose immigrant parents, who while supportive, did not understand the nuances of Australian culture and society enough to understand how to ferry around their kid through local footy, rep squads, how to get their most out of their kid. Lin kicked the ball around with his school mates at lunch time and played in the state school competition with them (which isn't really a proper competition where you get coached etc.) until he was 14 or 15 and his mates convinced him to go down to their local club. Within a year or two he was in the TAC system, but it's easy to see how he could have been lost to AFL forever. With NGA he may have had a better AFL career. Without NGA there's almost certainly stories of just as talented footballers who couldn't convince their parents and they were lost to AFL forever, but we'll never know who they are as they're just some random Asian kid in Melbourne lost to the void.

That's what the NGA's should be for - for communities whose families are unfamiliar with the ingrained nature of footy, and are hesitant to let their kids play because they simply don't understand it or are unfamiliar. Have someone come in, explain the time commitment, explain the benefits of playing footy, all with cultural sensitivities.

The current issue you have is that there are NGA eligible players among families who are not unfamiliar with Australian culture, such as having a single parent born overseas that then moved to Australia as a child and married an Australian-born partner. They are not unfamiliar with Australian football culture any differently to a family that can trace their lineage back to the first fleet or whatever.

And whatever they decide there should be some ability to assess case by case.

 

[giantsully]

Hopefully they also address Sydney and Brisbane being able to double dip having full academy rights and father/son picks they get the best of both worlds it’s needs to stop

You mean like StK double dips by getting NGA picks and father/sons? Lions have done well from f/s, but not so much from the Academy, Swans vice versa. The "double dipping" has had absolutely no relevance to StK's inability to be any good.

 

[Elixuh]

Hopefully they also address Sydney and Brisbane being able to double dip having full academy rights and father/son picks they get the best of both worlds it’s needs to stop

Last time I checked the Saints have an NGA and are able to access FS talent. The mighty Sainters sob story continues to be unmatched.

 

[jo172]

There's stories like Lin Jong whose immigrant parents, who while supportive, did not understand the nuances of Australian culture and society enough to understand how to ferry around their kid through local footy, rep squads, how to get their most out of their kid. Lin kicked the ball around with his school mates at lunch time and played in the state school competition with them (which isn't really a proper competition where you get coached etc.) until he was 14 or 15 and his mates convinced him to go down to their local club. Within a year or two he was in the TAC system, but it's easy to see how he could have been lost to AFL forever. With NGA he may have had a better AFL career. Without NGA there's almost certainly stories of just as talented footballers who couldn't convince their parents and they were lost to AFL forever, but we'll never know who they are as they're just some random Asian kid in Melbourne lost to the void.

That's what the NGA's should be for - for communities whose families are unfamiliar with the ingrained nature of footy, and are hesitant to let their kids play because they simply don't understand it or are unfamiliar. Have someone come in, explain the time commitment, explain the benefits of playing footy, all with cultural sensitivities.

The current issue you have is that there are NGA eligible players among families who are not unfamiliar with Australian culture, such as having a single parent born overseas that then moved to Australia as a child and married an Australian-born partner. They are not unfamiliar with Australian football culture any differently to a family that can trace their lineage back to the first fleet or whatever.

Ditto indigenous academies. There are indigenous communities of significant disadvantage where encouraging steps to make the game accessible to them is extremely admirable.

That your dad can have played AFL at the highest level and be a high earner living in a city and going to an expensive college really shouldn't get you through the door. By way of example Fremantle not being able to get Jesse Motlop was the right result. Insane that had he been drafter a few years later that he would have been academy eligible as a player potentially lost to football.

 

[jumperfan]

Last time I checked the Saints have an NGA and are able to access FS talent. The mighty Sainters sob story continues to be unmatched.

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What a pathetic troll you've become. Very little substance in any of your posts.