Nope.
Like kids whose only dream is to play for the club their father played at.
They have made that easy enough for the girls to do.
Why make it impossible for some of the boys?
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Nope.
Like kids whose only dream is to play for the club their father played at.
They have made that easy enough for the girls to do.
Why make it impossible for some of the boys?
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There’s have been 12 Band 1 free agency moves so far. Of those, 9 involved the player leaving an interstate or small Victorian club.
From the 12, one went to Sydney (Buddy). One went to Brisbane (Daniher). The other 10 went to large Victorian clubs.
Free agency already massively favours large clubs, at the expense of smaller clubs. If we want a fair competition, removing compensation just takes us further away from competitive balance. The competition is already set up to benefit the priveleged few; removing compensation just adds fuel to the fire.
And before anyone says it, having the cap space is not a benefit to the club they are departing. This only applies to an extent in the NBA because clubs can trade players without their consent. Go back a decade and you see North offering monster contracts to players like Andrew Gaff and still being unable to get it over the line (or any good player for that matter). Cap space means nothing to clubs who already struggle
Why is not the simple solution if a F/S or academy player is bid on in the first round it costs that club it's pick for that round touted?
Make clubs bid on players before the round starts.
One per round.
Make clubs bid on players before the round starts.
One per round.
The first round can go to pick 20.
So in that scenario it would have been possible for Brisbane to bid on Ashcroft using their pick 18 or whatever it was.
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Which is still stops them from getting Ashcroft and Fletcher in the same draft with a bunch of nothing picks.
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If the AFL is going to modify the f/s rule to restrict them from being taken in the first round, then the only fair thing to do is to put all existing father son players currently on lists, picked in the first round back into the draft.
Elixuh
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I think FS is just a casualty of the VFL clubs complaining about academies. FS was never an issue when Geelong was winning 4 flags off the back of their FS picks etc. It has only become an issue since certain clubs have received a few FS.
But you can't change academies and maintain FS and NGA etc.
But you can't change academies and maintain FS and NGA etc.
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They're entirely different systems. Ones completely luck of the draw and the other is an absolute rort.
Clubs hand pick the best young talent in the nation and actively search through their family heritage to try and find a link to allow them into their NGAs.
Look at Port with Dougie Cochrane next year or what the Hawks attempted with Greeves this year. Just farcical stuff.
The issue is a few clubs get the benefits of all three.
The majority only get the benefit of two.
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I can’t see why we need to stop father sons from being picking in any round, if you are still paying for them with your picks.
Changes made to ensure you pay a higher grade for these in the last update as well. You’re not receiving for free.
It’s just clear that some clubs want everything for themselves. Restrain of trade will be a big discussion point, if any such block is enabled and more importantly, clubs will lose many long lasting supporters.
Changes made to ensure you pay a higher grade for these in the last update as well. You’re not receiving for free.
It’s just clear that some clubs want everything for themselves. Restrain of trade will be a big discussion point, if any such block is enabled and more importantly, clubs will lose many long lasting supporters.
Elixuh
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The issue is that isn't the argument these clubs have led with. Its dilution of the draft. After all the whining you can't have seriously thought the AFL wouldn't change it all?
The academies benefit the whole comp. I know VFL fans don't believe this. But almost without fail, supporters of VFL clubs who actually live in the northern states understand their purpose and worth to the competition. Its uncanny.
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LukeParkerno1
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Melbourne clubs can’t whinge then be up and arms they have made everything the same.
Take your pick
Take your pick
They do not benefit the whole comp.
In 2023 you got as much money given to you as the two worst Victorian Clubs.
The money you're paying for your academy is being funded in part by the rest of the league who doesn't get an equal chance to draft these players.
Elixuh
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The Lions academy is almost entirely funded by private sponsorship dollars the club raises. The Swans raise approx $1m via QBE sponsorship for their academy alone apparently. Other clubs, like yours, use that funding for their premiership program.
The question then becomes why would the Lions continue to fund this stuff to benefit other clubs, only giving further advantages to VFL clubs. How many advantages do VFL clubs need?
LukeParkerno1
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Father sons have LESS benefit though. So either remove them all for the first round OR stop complaining which one do you want? Take your pick. You can’t have your cake and want to take away the other one. It’s not fair and you know it
It's not the same though.
You have an academy, NGA and F/S to potentially draw players from.
How is that the same?
Elixuh
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How do you propose we increase talent levels coming out of NSW and Qld? You don’t even know how academies are funded.
LukeParkerno1
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So do you. You have the NGA if you don’t have an academy
Again clubs could have just stopped and let the current system be it. Blame your St Kilda’s
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Not sure why it has to be scrapped. The matching system just has to be a lot fairer. To the point of your a good team it becomes very difficult to match a bid high in the draft
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Honestly, this is benefiting the whole league... and I say that as a supporter of a club that has gotten ****-all out of the NGAs.
Sometimes, I think, the big clubs don't get that it is in the interests of a healthy competition for clubs with natural disadvantages to be given assistance. We didn't 'get it' in the 70s and 80s, and the uncompetitiveness of Melbourne, StKilda, Footscray, South and Fitzroy just about killed the competition.
The two expansion clubs in particular face the triple whammy of small crowds, having to recruit overwhelmingly from interstate, and no history. The assistance to establish a northern base will benefit the league as a whole - the gold rush of money won't always be there.
But why only father sons? Wouldnt many kids dream to play for the club they support? If thats the case just get rid of the draft, you still have a salary cap.
We had Jason Dunstall, James Hird, Paul Kelly, Nick Riewoldt, Jason Akermanis to name just a few who all came from the Northern states before Academies existed. They would all play for Brisbane, GC, Sydney or GWS if the current system was in place now.
This notion that northern academies are growing the game needs to be challenged IMO. Is there any evidence that there are more AFL level players now than there were before or that suburban comps in the northern states are more robust now?
This notion that northern academies are growing the game needs to be challenged IMO. Is there any evidence that there are more AFL level players now than there were before or that suburban comps in the northern states are more robust now?
LukeParkerno1
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All they have done is made the first round exactly that. You can still match academy, father son and nga in the second and onwards
It just means your Darcy or Daicos types aren’t set to the clubs that’s all
But why doesnt that happen now? Surely its not only father/sons that want to play for a particular club. Wouldnt any kid growing up want to play for the team they support.
Elixuh
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We've been through this argument before, someone listed all the names out for the 30 or so years prior to academies. There was an average of just under 1 player per year. That ain't gunna do it dawg, especially if we are eventually going to 20 teams.
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