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Because they give you pain meds for it...and lets face it, they do rock
Injury Brad Crouch out for the year? #@%!
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Because they give you pain meds for it...and lets face it, they do rock
Well that depends if they go on Hass or Burton’s diagnosis.
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If the North Melbourne surgeon diagnoses this for Wayne Carey, they might have gotten a few more seasons out of him
The surgeon puts forward various treatment options with the pros and cons of each option however ultimately he decision on the preferred course of action is not just a Doctor and Club decision, Brad, his family and his management all weigh into the discussion and the decision making process
For all we know it could have been Brad himeself who initially preferred to go with a rehab option instead of surgery
We simply don’t have enough information to understand how did it get to this point
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Why are you even arguing this point? It’s clearly a recurrence. You know, that thing that keeps happening? It gets better after rest... and then, you know, recurs.
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They make me itch!
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Hard to run around with big balls.
jenny61_99
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I’m sure he’s happy to hear that. In all seriousness though his libido could be effected... damaged muscles and tendons in the area can make intercourse difficult.
It's not though. He played for a season on pain management, and hasn't been seen since, because the pain management benefits diminished over time. That's not recurrence.
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recurrence
If something is happening yet again, there's a recurrence of it. Most sports fans hope there isn't a recurrence of last year's losing season.
If you keep getting a hacking cough, then you're having a recurrence — that cough just keeps coming back. The word recurrence has to do with things that repeat or return, often at predictable times. If your dog barks at the same time every day, your neighbors might complain about the recurrence of noise.
In this case, his groin issues are a recurrence.
Come on Jen, footy's a lot more important than that
Wrong very much wrong, It not Burton never was nor has been Burton's decision, Burton has stuff up in a lot of areas but you cannot pin this one on him.
That the Problem with witch hunts, the truth sometimes is the one fact that people miss.
Surgeon advises the patent. Brad makes the Call, Injury does not progress and does not improve, Surgeon advises the next range of fixes.
Then in conjunction with advice from the Surgeon, Club Doctor, (Dr Duncan Walker) along with advice from his parents. Yes Brad parents were involved in this call. Brad then makes a call.
Australia is not the US or Europe and we have very stringent rules, follow that up with the AFLPA and their guidelines.
Clubs cannot and will not force a player against his will to have surgery, Surgeon/doctors will not and cannot force a player to have surgery on the Clubs behalf, and if they believe the Club is forcing the issue they have a duty of care to report.
The Club Pays for the Treatment and any cost involved that payment does not allow them the right to make the final decision, and any threats whether real or perceived, is not allowed.
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I can only assume as you have been banging on about, they hoped it would settle with rest.
Only time a footy player gets to properly rest is after retirement.
They have about 6 weeks approx at the end of the year then back training then a little break over Christmas then it’s back into it again.
Logic tells me if Brad gets OP from running around playing footy. What’s to stop it happening again after rest, as the problem is still there. Maybe they now think there is a tightness which might be alleviated by surgery. All depends when this surgery suggestion first arose. After GF or recently.
If he was getting by on jabs. He has logically been suggested surgery last season. It would have been at least discussed before jabs. So he should have got it done as soon as it reappeared post Christmas when it surfaced again after the rest, post grand final. It’s obvious by then it was not going away.
Oh dear. To "re-occur", there must be an occurrence. A start and an end, followed by another start. With Brad, there has been a start, but no end. The injury has been ongoing, treated with various methods but never cured or fixed. If it had been fixed and then happened again later, that would be a re-occurence.
He could get AIDS from the op too, but the chances are pretty small.
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All very interesting but that’s not what anyone is saying. If you are suggesting that Crouch and his parents (maybe) and the surgeon are the only parties involved in the decision you are naive to the extreme
If Burton is not involved in the process he should be sacked immediately. That is his role.
Nobody has the right to make a decision but Brad. That’s true in every respect in all walks of life. If I need surgery, a doctor can’t just do it without either me or my attorney’s approval. Saying the same thing for a footballer offers no value.
Brad must approve any surgery
But
Brad would not be an expert on such matters. So he’d take on the advice of those supporting him, to make a decision.
This is where Burton and the club comes in. Yes, they can’t force him against his will, but they can offer guidance as it’s their role. If Brad says no, we work towards something else. That’s the distinction.
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Probably negligible. Other risks aren't though. You'd probably still decide the surgery was worth it for the rewards, but wouldn't necessarily rush into surgery if it was thought another option would/might work.
This is a silly comment. All surgeries are decided between surgeons and patients/players. The club does not have a say on this matter because they're not in a position to make the judgment call. Players know how much pain and physical restrictions with their own body, and the surgeons know the risks/benefits involved.
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That actually happens more than you’d expect.
Where do you think, they get a steady stream of AFL umpires from?
This is the point I've been trying to make the whole time. The club are like the parents, but whether you choose to have a tonsillectomy or appendicectomy is solely between you and the surgeon. Your parents wouldn't know anything else other than "wish you all the best!"
I shouldn’t have but I did laugh
The "recurrence" here we're talking about is Brad's journey over his entire AFL career thus far.
And might I add, this "recurrence" is not guanrateed to go away post-surgery, judging from his past recurrences.
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Except you’d ask your parents because you are in a trusted relationship
Ergo, player would ask the club
Ergo, club would advise/recommend/give the benefit of wisdom and experience to aid decision making
If Crouch and the surgeon did this without any input from the club at all, that is concerning
