Brexit - The UK referendum on leaving the EU - Reneging, reshmeging!

[The Warlord]

Missed in the headlines today is the opinion of the man responsible for policing the British side of the border, PSNI Chief Constable Simon Byrne



The context for this interview is the recent Continuity IRA bomb attack in the vicinity of the border which was targeted at police.

At least no-deal will create plenty of fodder for the Murder Mile.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Why do the lib dems hate Corbyn more than they hate Brexit? Their leader spends more time crapping on about Corbyn than she does about anything else. Isnt stopping brexit their whole platform?

Because Corbyn is a two faced lying a-hole, who's tanking of Lab's remain campaign is a key reason this cluster * is happening

 

[Steinfreo]

Because Corbyn is a two faced lying a-hole, who's tanking of Lab's remain campaign is a key reason this cluster fu** is happening

Of course he wants remain, but he has to cater to the old R-words that have voted labour their whole lives but are so smooth brained that they want a hard brexit as well. Hes got to keep them happy, so he doesnt go out and say big 'R' remain, he has to say 'keep everything on the table' to placate the large contingent of labour voting brexiters.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Of course he wants remain, but he has to cater to the old R-words that have voted labour their whole lives but are so smooth brained that they want a hard brexit as well. Hes got to keep them happy, so he doesnt go out and say big 'R' remain, he has to say 'keep everything on the table' to placate the large contingent of labour voting brexiters.

He doesn't want remain, he is a Brexit fan and only "supported" remain because it was lab policy

 

[Steinfreo]

He doesn't want remain, he is a Brexit fan and only "supported" remain because it was lab policy

I dont think so, if theres an early election Corbyn will get a new referendum, knowing full well a remain will win, then go cap in hand to EU.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I dont think so, if theres an early election Corbyn will get a new referendum, knowing full well a remain will win, then go cap in hand to EU.

Lol, his effort getting another vote has been as staged as his Remain support in the referendum

He wants Brexit because the EU doesn't embrace his socialist market control policies. Pretending otherwise is delusional

 

[donkeypunchd]

One would be excused for pitying Boris when reading articles like the below. It’s behind a paywall but the initial paragraph gives a flavour of the content :

Boris Johnson has been warned by senior Brexiteers including David Davis that they might not support his exit deal if he only succeeds in stripping out the Northern Ireland backstop.
David Davis, the former Exiting the European Union secretary, told The Telegraph's Chopper's Brexit Podcast that Mr Johnson would also have agree not to pay the full £39billion Brexit bill and set a time limit on the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.

He’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. I wonder has the buyers remorse set in yet

Brexiteer Tories warn Boris Johnson that stripping out the Northern Ireland backstop is not enough to win their support

Boris Johnson has been warned by senior Brexiteers including David Davis that they might not support his exit deal if he only succeeds in stripping out the Northern Ireland backstop.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[QuietB]

Germany and France didn't sell out Dublin this week either?

Even after Boris who only has an Arts degree but it is OK because it is about classical Greek history to it is a USEFUL Arts degree in the THE CITY went to see Merkel and Macron personally?

Is that right?

Is he the only one in the world with an arts degree who is not a lefty?

 

[The Warlord]

Of course he wants remain, but he has to cater to the old R-words that have voted labour their whole lives but are so smooth brained that they want a hard brexit as well. Hes got to keep them happy, so he doesnt go out and say big 'R' remain, he has to say 'keep everything on the table' to placate the large contingent of labour voting brexiters.

Corbyn is a long time anti-EU.

He wants Brexit so he can ... in his mind ... nationalise industry again.

 

[The Warlord]

Is that right?

Is he the only one in the world with an arts degree who is not a lefty?

He's a lefty when it suits him. See London Mayoralty.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

He's a lefty when it suits him. See London Mayoralty.

Didn't he get in by appealing to honkey battlers in the outer boroughs?

 

[HairyO]

Frankfurt has just been given a $1 trillion Euro injection from companies fleeing the City pre-Brexit, that helps.

Yet the UK has low unemployment and the economy is ticking over.

Perhaps the financial boon isnt quite as big as claimed. Imagine that. Exaggerations...

 

[donkeypunchd]

Nice little story tucked away in the back pages of the pro-Brexit tabloids:

Under contingency plans, around 300 Scottish police would be deployed to support the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) as a preliminary step.
However, if civil unrest or sectarian violence spirals, officers from forces including London’s Metropolitan police could be called on.

Great idea, deploying Scottish & English police in Ireland. It’s not like there were problems in the past with deploying British police in Ireland . Putting officers from London on the border would be an invitation to the dissident republicans to have a pop, people in England have generally only cared about Ireland where Irish issues directly affected their lives, the dissident leadership would be making the calculation that shooting a London copper would earn their cause massive publicity.

 

[Gough]

They'd care if someone Mountbattened a couple of the current generation of royals. Suddenly an Irish backstop wouldn't be so trivial.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Not paying the £39,000,000,000 divorce bill. We know Conservative voters are complete ******* fools but surely the leadership isn't - and this is an appropriate use of the word - isn't *ed enough to believe negotiations will reset after a no deal exit. The EU will want everything it did before.

 

[Mofra]

Yet the UK has low unemployment and the economy is ticking over.

Perhaps the financial boon isnt quite as big as claimed. Imagine that. Exaggerations...

Source? Interested to read something different. This suggests it's not so rosy, only two days old although does mention the job market is strong:

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

Carney said global economic momentum remained soft despite markets’ increased expectations that central banks around the world would loosen policy, but the outlook for the British economy hinged mostly on the nature and timing of Brexit.

My reading of the current situation is The City are s**t-scared of a hard Brexit, while hard core leavers won't want a soft-Brexit that keeps the UK in the single market.

As Blair said, you can have a painful Brexit or a pointless Brexit. They are the only two choices.

 

[HairyO]

Source? Interested to read something different. This suggests it's not so rosy, only two days old although does mention the job market is strong:

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

My reading of the current situation is The City are s**t-scared of a hard Brexit, while hard core leavers won't want a soft-Brexit that keeps the UK in the single market.

As Blair said, you can have a painful Brexit or a pointless Brexit. They are the only two choices.

"headed for" vs "currently".

At the moment the UK economy is going well, despite all the uncertainty. Given this, even if there is a downturn, you would assume they are in a better place to handle it than Germany which is already starting to struggle, despite all the business moving there.

 

[Total Power]

"headed for" vs "currently".

At the moment the UK economy is going well, despite all the uncertainty. Given this, even if there is a downturn, you would assume they are in a better place to handle it than Germany which is already starting to struggle, despite all the business moving there.

Huh?

Fears that the UK could be heading for its first recession in a decade have been stoked by grim official figures showing that the economy contracted in the second quarter of 2019.

Brexit uncertainty, car plant shutdowns and the running down of stock built up before the original end of March deadline for Britain’s EU exit resulted in gross domestic product shrinking by 0.2% in the three months ending in June.

News from the Office for National Statistics of the first fall in quarterly GDP in six and a half years sparked immediate speculation that a further bout of Brexit jitters leading up to the new 31 October departure date could lead to a second successive quarter of negative growth – the technical definition of a recession.



German economy, while slowing, is not contracting still.Any economy that is manufacturing in it is better placed to get out of a recession than service industries.

 

[HairyO]

Huh?

Fears that the UK could be heading for its first recession in a decade have been stoked by grim official figures showing that the economy contracted in the second quarter of 2019.

Brexit uncertainty, car plant shutdowns and the running down of stock built up before the original end of March deadline for Britain’s EU exit resulted in gross domestic product shrinking by 0.2% in the three months ending in June.

News from the Office for National Statistics of the first fall in quarterly GDP in six and a half years sparked immediate speculation that a further bout of Brexit jitters leading up to the new 31 October departure date could lead to a second successive quarter of negative growth – the technical definition of a recession.



German economy, while slowing, is not contracting still.Any economy that is manufacturing in it is better placed to get out of a recession than service industries.

Germany had negative GDP growth last quarter. So how do you get that to mean not contracting? In fact for 2019 UK and Germany are about the same GDP rates.

Manufacturing only works if people are buying.

 

[Total Power]

Germany had negative GDP growth last quarter. So how do you get that to mean not contracting? In fact for 2019 UK and Germany are about the same GDP rates.

Manufacturing only works if people are buying.

True but less than the UK.

And there is a direct relationship between manufacturing and corporate profits even affects the service sector. In recession it's even more important. Why do you think Trump complains about US having no manufacturing all the time? he is not stupid, historically , countries with the stronger manufacturing got out of recession with flying stars.

Why the manufacturing recession still matters

The U.S. economy continues to grow (albeit at a snail’s pace), but Russ discusses why investors ignore the manufacturing recession at their peril.

www.blackrockblog.com

 

[HairyO]

True but less than the UK.

And there is a direct relationship between manufacturing and corporate profits even affects the service sector. In recession it's even more important. Why do you think Trump complains about US having no manufacturing all the time? he is not stupid, historically , countries with the stronger manufacturing got out of recession with flying stars.

Why the manufacturing recession still matters

The U.S. economy continues to grow (albeit at a snail’s pace), but Russ discusses why investors ignore the manufacturing recession at their peril.

www.blackrockblog.com

Trump complains about US manufacturing because he is pandering to working class voters.

 

[Total Power]

Trump complains about US manufacturing because he is pandering to working class voters.

Half truth.America exports over half a trillion dollars in services every year and runs a service-sector trade surplus. Yet holds a massive deficit (overall) due to no manufacturing as Americans buy stuff that is made elsewhere and that is just a small bit. Trump understands economics.


You believe china is number 1 in AI for no reason?

Just How Important Is Manufacturing?

Having a strong domestic manufacturing base is vital to the United States maintaining its world leadership in innovation. That is because advanced manufacturing provides an important institutional foundation for learning and developing process skills and capabilities that are increasingly...

hbr.org

Most Americans believe factory work is mechanical, snapping together plastic parts or assembling electronic devices. No thinking required; just put in these four screws 2,400 times a day.

There certainly is a great deal of such routine manual labor going on in the world, but there is also an enormous amount of sophisticated knowledge work. Many of the jobs in the most advanced semiconductor-manufacturing plants are as complex as a lunar-landing mission. Making parts for an iPhone is a challenging mix of materials science, mechanical engineering, precision fabrication, and managing mind-boggling complexity in the supply chain. Producing biologics involves enough biochemistry, chemical engineering, and cell biology to make a graduate student wince.

Working in these plants are inventive people who are the source of important ideas for making products better or in different ways. The best factories routinely conduct scientific experiments to improve their processes, and the best factory managers are teachers and innovators as well as leaders of people.

The bottom line is if a country loses the ability or the capacity to manufacture, its innovation space will be truncated. To me, that is why we have to manufacture in the United States.

 

[Total Power]

"headed for" vs "currently".

At the moment the UK economy is going well, despite all the uncertainty. Given this, even if there is a downturn, you would assume they are in a better place to handle it than Germany which is already starting to struggle, despite all the business moving there.

Also this:

Britain is the 5th richest country in the world but has 20% of its population living in poverty - 14 million people including 4 million children.

"From 1997 to 2012 the UK was steadily reducing poverty"

I wonder how that was reversed?

This is a hell lot more than USA or Australia. There are many ways you could look at stats, US has full employment too, (by definition), the reality is something else. Many families are struggling to pay bills as they work in 2/3 part time jobs. Many have given up. Here is the truth about UK

Britain’s unemployment is ultra-low, but its wages are ultra-measly

Normally, low joblessness means high wages. No longer

www.economist.com

And real wages hasn't risen in the UK for the past couple of decades.

 

[donkeypunchd]

Interesting study, suggests that the effect of the Liverpool ‘Sun’ newspaper boycott tangibly impacted voting patterns in that constituency.

Sun boycott helped to cut Euroscepticism in Merseyside, study suggests

Most readers switched allegiance after tabloid blamed fans for tragedy

www.independent.co.uk

 

[The Warlord]

Proroguing now to just before October 31 to force the Queen's Speech into a confidence vote.

Funny way of respecting parliamentary sovereignty which was the aim of Brexit non medusala

And during the campaign Leave said no deal was never on the agenda.

What a joke.

At the same time, glad to see Britain fall apart as a political structure.

Boris delivering what Gerry Adams and Nicola Sturgeon couldn't lol.