Carlton's list

[Beer n Skittles]

Casboult? Come on mate, smell the roses.

He's not an AFL CHF, but I don't mind him as the 2nd ruck

 

[thetradesman]

He could be one of the best contested marks in the competition, a trait thats rarely seen. Has the body to be a monster, just needs to improve (note that he already has improved leaps and bounds this season to be fairly reliable from a long distance) his kicking to an elite level and how could you not say hes a premier power forward?

Ideally he could lose some weight to gain more agility, but his output this year cant really be questioned can it? "Smell the roses" isnt really an argument is it? If he plays at the level he has the last month, hes easily top 5 power forwards in the competition.

How long has he been on your list? and his kicking is still horrific.

TOP 5? This month? no chance!

 

[Gus Poyet]

You think Menzel as a pick 9 is worth more than a 16 after playing less than 20 games…..

He got 2 touches last game… 2

But you feel free to go ahead and pay more…

Go Catters

That's 2 more touches than his brother who you keep giving contracts to despite having 0 touches.

 

[JuddsABlue]

How long has he been on your list? and his kicking is still horrific.

TOP 5? This month? no chance!

Hes been on our list quite a while, what does that have to do with anything? If a player is on a list for 5 years without getting a game, then gets a game and plays really well, is his output discounted because he hadnt been playing previous years? Barlow spent years playing VFL for Werribee and stepped in to Fremantle and dominated, but does he have some kind of scale down because he hasnt played AFL all of his life?

I look at other monsters of the comp, Travis Cloke being the highest profile. He still cant kick at an elite level, misses shockers, and goes missing for entire games.

Kurt Tippett can hardly get out on the park and isnt really famous for leaving the F50 or doing solid ruck duties around the ground like Levi is

Tex Walker is probably better at everything except rucking and marking than Casboult

NRoo cant mark anywhere near Casboult and is just as a reliable kick, but obviously moves much better around the ground

Roughead again, not as good a mark but moves better and kicks better, easily a better player and occupies top 5

My point is, Casboult based on this years performance isnt to far behind these guys, and is better in one of the most important areas than all of them quite easily (marking obv). His kicking has improved, hes far from horrific (unless you consider Cloke horrific, but you're just a harsh judge if thats the case), and can continue to improve

No chance isnt an argument, I dont think you've paid close attention to what hes done. If he does it every week for the year out, then hes easily a top power forward in the game

 

[thetradesman]

Hes been on our list quite a while, what does that have to do with anything? If a player is on a list for 5 years without getting a game, then gets a game and plays really well, is his output discounted because he hadnt been playing previous years? Barlow spent years playing VFL for Werribee and stepped in to Fremantle and dominated, but does he have some kind of scale down because he hasnt played AFL all of his life?

I look at other monsters of the comp, Travis Cloke being the highest profile. He still cant kick at an elite level, misses shockers, and goes missing for entire games.

Kurt Tippett can hardly get out on the park and isnt really famous for leaving the F50 or doing solid ruck duties around the ground like Levi is

Tex Walker is probably better at everything except rucking and marking than Casboult

NRoo cant mark anywhere near Casboult and is just as a reliable kick, but obviously moves much better around the ground

Roughead again, not as good a mark but moves better and kicks better, easily a better player and occupies top 5

My point is, Casboult based on this years performance isnt to far behind these guys, and is better in one of the most important areas than all of them quite easily (marking obv). His kicking has improved, hes far from horrific (unless you consider Cloke horrific, but you're just a harsh judge if thats the case), and can continue to improve

No chance isnt an argument, I dont think you've paid close attention to what hes done. If he does it every week for the year out, then hes easily a top power forward in the game

I don't think it is right for you to mention those players and Casboult in the same sentence, you have mentioned guys who have pushed hard for colemans and consistently kick 50 goals a year, how many is Casboult on this year?

 

[dazbroncos]

That's 2 more touches than his brother who you keep giving contracts to despite having 0 touches.

Why you think we want him.

Go Catters

 

[JuddsABlue]

I don't think it is right for you to mention those players and Casboult in the same sentence, you have mentioned guys who have pushed hard for colemans and consistently kick 50 goals a year, how many is Casboult on this year?

Im not saying hes there yet, I'm saying hes shown that if he performs consistently at the level he has the past month and improves on a few things, he could easily do that over the course of the year

Im not saying hes better than any of those guys, or on their level (except marking), I'm saying he has the potential to do that, I dont see how you could disagree with that given what hes shown this year

 

[thetradesman]

Im not saying hes there yet, I'm saying hes shown that if he performs consistently at the level he has the past month and improves on a few things, he could easily do that over the course of the year

Im not saying hes better than any of those guys, or on their level (except marking), I'm saying he has the potential to do that, I dont see how you could disagree with that given what hes shown this year

So a guy who has kicked 6 goals in 4 weeks has shown the potential to become a top 5 power forward in the league?

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

This has been established months ago, are you just touting that line as an attempt to subtle troll or just been living under a rock the last few months?

We had several semi finals appearances with no success, we felt we needed to do something different to take the next step. People easily forget Ratten was the laughing stock of the AFL coaches panel when he was with Carlton, the same jeers of "sign Brock again" we hear in this thread we were hearing about Ratten when we lost to the GC before we sacked him

I still think we have a score group of 8 players (bolded below) we could build a flag winning team around, looking something like this using our current list

B: _______ Jameson ______
HB: Yarren Rowe Buckley
C: Gibbs ________ ________
HF: Thomas Casboult Everitt
F: Garlett Henderson Menzel
R: Warnock Murphy Cripps

With players like Kruezer, Docherty, Johnson, Graham have some value somewhere, whether it be on the ground or on the trade table

The key inclusions needs to be two players to fit into the centre with Gibbs, one ball winner and one outside runner whos a good user

Another medium sized defender who can play a defensive role

The unbolded players are up for debate on whether theyre good enough, but I think they have the potential to be. If there are better options out there though I'd be happy to explore them

couple points i'll make.
1. I've seen enough of Docherty to know he's gonna be a serious player for us.
2. garlett's afl career is on thin ice. just too mentally weak. get him out of there.
3. like carlisle at Essendon, Henderson looks far more comfortable as a backman, which makes rowe redundant.
4. warnocks uselessness around ground doesn't make up for slightly above average tap ruckmen. roll with kruezer.
5. buckley too small to be defender period. defeinitly a talent, not sure where his best position is yet though.

 

[thetradesman]

couple points i'll make.
1. I've seen enough of Docherty to know he's gonna be a serious player for us.
2. garlett's afl career is on thin ice. just too mentally weak. get him out of there.
3. like carlisle at Essendon, Henderson looks far more comfortable as a backman, which makes rowe redundant.
4. warnocks uselessness around ground doesn't make up for slightly above average tap ruckmen. roll with kruezer.
5. buckley too small to be defender period. defeinitly a talent, not sure where his best position is yet though.

To small? LOL, no such thing as to small.

 

[passmark]

couple points i'll make.
1. I've seen enough of Docherty to know he's gonna be a serious player for us.
2. garlett's afl career is on thin ice. just too mentally weak. get him out of there.
3. like carlisle at Essendon, Henderson looks far more comfortable as a backman, which makes rowe redundant.
4. warnocks uselessness around ground doesn't make up for slightly above average tap ruckmen. roll with kruezer.
5. buckley too small to be defender period. defeinitly a talent, not sure where his best position is yet though.

I agree Buckley will have a tough time of it as a defender unless he's playing on the truly small ones. He might find himself as a run with on-baller, but again, only on the smaller mids.

Has he got the tricks to be a forward? not sure. He's quick enough, but that's about it.

The coach rates him, so he's half way home to wherever he ends up.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

I agree Buckley will have a tough time of it as a defender unless he's playing on the truly small ones. He might find himself as a run with on-baller, but again, only on the smaller mids.

Has he got the tricks to be a forward? not sure. He's quick enough, but that's about it.

The coach rates him, so he's half way home to wherever he ends up.

maybe could be used as like puopolo in that small forward frontal pressure role...

 

[TheWeapon]

This has been established months ago, are you just touting that line as an attempt to subtle troll or just been living under a rock the last few months?

We had several semi finals appearances with no success, we felt we needed to do something different to take the next step. People easily forget Ratten was the laughing stock of the AFL coaches panel when he was with Carlton, the same jeers of "sign Brock again" we hear in this thread we were hearing about Ratten when we lost to the GC before we sacked him

I still think we have a score group of 8 players (bolded below) we could build a flag winning team around, looking something like this using our current list

B: _______ Jameson ______
HB: Yarren Rowe Buckley
C: Gibbs ________ ________
HF: Thomas Casboult Everitt
F: Garlett Henderson Menzel
R: Warnock Murphy Cripps

With players like Kruezer, Docherty, Johnson, Graham have some value somewhere, whether it be on the ground or on the trade table

The key inclusions needs to be two players to fit into the centre with Gibbs, one ball winner and one outside runner whos a good user

Another medium sized defender who can play a defensive role

The unbolded players are up for debate on whether theyre good enough, but I think they have the potential to be. If there are better options out there though I'd be happy to explore them

Henderson in bold at full forward? Surely he plays his best footy in defence.

Here's what I'd like to see Carlton line up as next week:

B Buckley Jamison Simpson
HB Yarran Henderson Carrazzo
C Thomas Gibbs Walker
HF Judd Casboult Everitt
F Robinson Kreuzer Menzel
R Warnock Murphy Bell
Int Cripps Docherty Graham Sub Holman

 

[Old Dark Blues]

Buckley is the same height as Murphy, Garlett, Armfield, Ellard, Temay etc.

He was moved INTO the back line to find his place. Was struggling elsewhere.

He was providing Carlton with line breaking run out of defence - Yarrans role, which allowed Yarran to move forward.

His role is quite settled for mine.

 

[passmark]

maybe could be used as like puopolo in that small forward frontal pressure role...

Yeah maybe. Puopolo is a bit of a beast in that area, not sure that Dylan could be identical, but he doesn't have to be a battering ram to keep the ball in.

.........and FMD we need it. Without Eddie (and/or Jeffy) our front guys are as slow as buggery.

 

[passmark]

Buckley is the same height as Murphy, Garlett, Armfield, Ellard, Temay etc.

He was moved INTO the back line to find his place. Was struggling elsewhere.

He was providing Carlton with line breaking run out of defence - Yarrans role, which allowed Yarran to move forward.

His role is quite settled for mine.

No doubt.
But I've also no doubt he will get carved up eventually by teams looking to isolate him.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Buckley is the same height as Murphy, Garlett, Armfield, Ellard, Temay etc.

He was moved INTO the back line to find his place. Was struggling elsewhere.

He was providing Carlton with line breaking run out of defence - Yarrans role, which allowed Yarran to move forward.

His role is quite settled for mine.

I don't think he's as tall as murphy or armfield. but that not withstanding I wouldn't feel comfortable any of those in defence either. do any top teams have a sub-6ft player in defence at all? we don't want yarran forward, we want yarran back breaking lines. maybe a few years in gym Buckley could be a decent midfielder...

 

[Gone Critical]

He could be one of the best contested marks in the competition, a trait thats rarely seen. Has the body to be a monster, just needs to improve (note that he already has improved leaps and bounds this season to be fairly reliable from a long distance) his kicking to an elite level and how could you not say hes a premier power forward?

Ideally he could lose some weight to gain more agility, but his output this year cant really be questioned can it? "Smell the roses" isnt really an argument is it? If he plays at the level he has the last month, hes easily top 5 power forwards in the competition.

If he plays at the same level he has in the last month he is nowhere near an top 5 power forward. Power forwards kick goals. Levi has kicked 6 goals in the last 4 weeks. Which admittedly is good for him. 9 goals for the year, if he keeps this up he will just fall short of 20 for the year.

In 2014 which you seem to think he is threatening to break out he has only kicked more than 1 goal in a game once, 4 v hawks. In fact that game makes up nearly half his total for the year. This year he has failed to goal in 5 matches and scored 1 in 5 matches. In 2013 he did have a game where he scored more than 1 goal. Had 2 of them in 2012

Your power forward has scored more than 1 goal a game in his career 4 times. Hopefully for Carlton he improves but he is no where threatening the level you are painting for him.

 

[etsal1]

Every club has youth but compared to other clubs, Carlton's young players are in short supply.

You look at players like Kane Lucas & Matthew Watson and wonder what is going on with Carlton's development of young players.

Why don't you look at players like Buckley, Docherty & Menzel?

Because it's more convenient to look at Lucas & Watson.

Your alias isn't fooling anyone.

 

[passmark]

Casboult was diabolical up until this season.

He couldn't run out a game, in fact he was cooked well before half time most of the time up until this year.

His fitness is better (still not great) and his footy is improving. We know he can mark and we know he has trouble kicking.

I also know our current forward entry system would render some of the games greats useless.

But I'm happy for him to get better, he will, maybe only a bit, but I'm not sure he needs to much more.

Unfortunately he won't ever have the game sense that Roughy has. Roughy is as good when the ball hit's the ground as a guy half his size, that's the "bit" Cas probably will never have, so in that regard he might end up just being a "good" forward.

I'll take that for now.

 

[etsal1]

Buckley was always going to star.

And Curnow was awesome before Malthouse arrived.


Lets take a look at Graham, Temay, Watson, .....ooops. But yeah - lets just keep on playing Brock.

HEre's a tip - you know that Menzel bloke, absolute natural star - wants out.

Didn't get a kick on Sunday, sorry 2. Almost same stats as Blair, sub at 3/4 time.

Why ? Game plan.

Not the only one.

Bookmarking this post for when Menzel signs a 3 year deal in the coming weeks.

 

[Gone Critical]

Other point re top power forwards is they are the major focus in the area they play in. Teams put a big amount of planning into stopping them. When a ball enters a Hawthorn, Collingwood, Richmond etc forward line the opposition and crowd will immediately be looking where the power forward is, they engender fear in the opposition for what they can do if they get loose.

Casboult has never played under those conditions. He doesn't create any anxiety currently for the opposition brains trust. Til he does don't bother comparing him to Roughy et al

 

[etsal1]

He's not an AFL CHF, but I don't mind him as the 2nd ruck

For a rookie pick he is still miles ahead of top 10 pick Vickery.

 

[James44]

Unfortunately he won't ever have the game sense that Roughy has. Roughy is as good when the ball hit's the ground as a guy half his size, that's the "bit" Cas probably will never have, so in that regard he might end up just being a "good" forward.

Casboult has improved this season and is a great contested mark. He has major limitations though and as long as he plays within those, he will be a player slightly below a Chris Dawes or a Tom Lynch level.

A good auxiliary forward who can have spells in the ruck.

It will be interesting to see where Carlton finish this year. You will beat St. Kilda and it wouldn't surprise if you won another game.

That probably means you won't have access to Wright, Durdin, McCartin or Goddard if those below address their KPP needs.

If you do, it will be at least 3/4 years where you can expect the ilk of this type to be hitting their straps.

 

[what did you say]

Watson is 29 and still has at least three years left with the likes of Heppell looking very much able to take over within that time.

Fletcher's been gone every year since 2009 and isn't even that important any more. Hooker and Hurley are our two KPD.

Stanton's 28 and would be fifth in line in our midfield behind Watson, Heppell, Goddard and Zaharakis.

No youth coming through? LOL. Heppell, Carlisle, Zach Merrett, Jackson Merrett, Marty Gleeson, Patrick Ambrose on top of Daniher and that's just our proven young talent off the top of my head.

Essendon's list is vastly superior to Carlton's.

deary me ambrose 23 years old avg 12.5 touchs a game, carlisle who is also 23 an has been out of form all year,yes had a ripper year last year but atm middle of the road player like carltons Henderson...
the merretts bro yes are good wingers an half forward players but stars? na
heppell yes a star!

howett,hardingham,melksham,Dempsey,myers there all in there prime an like carltons group not going anywhere near a flag anytime soon, blues have matched the top teams this year, finished on a par with you last year.. just crazy to say bombers list is so much better then blue truth is there both on a par! crap middle of the road going no where