Review Cats defeat gallant Pies by 6 points to get into another PF

[catempire]

Yeah, it's terrible.

The way it is adjudicated in the English PL is much better - referee spots a foul, raises their arm and points to make it known they've seen it, and then they watch the play unfold. There's a fair bit of leeway for the resulting attack to break down, and if it does within that period the whistle is blown and the ball comes back. That length of time is somewhat arbitrary, but it otherwise works well.

I'm not sure how well that would translate to our game - obviously the upside would take some time to adjust to, as in seeing infringements and signalling them but not whistling.

There's potentially other issues...

Safety, given Aussie Rules is more of a collision sport. Some guy feels a high tackle and stops, only for play to continue while advantage is assessed and they get flattened totally unprepared for it

And the complication of 50 metre penalties - a free kick is seen but not whistled, and the defender knocks the ball out ruining the advantage and in theory giving away a 50. You'd probably have instances of a lot of grey areas where playing to prevent the advantage also technically gives away a 50... and players doing so on the basis "I didn't hear the whistle so assumed advantage was on".

There is a lot more grey in umpiring Aussie Rules that makes officiating certain things difficult - prior opportunity, insufficient intent, advantage etc.

So I don't think it's as simple as the EPL approach. The current method is probably the only truly workable one.

I dunno if it’s that big a deal, there’s advantage in collision sports like rugby too.

I just think they AFL has been too fearful about giving the advantaged team an… er… advantage. I’d be inclined to just loosen it up slightly as an incremental step. Start by saying we are not going to call the first possession after an infringement back unless the “advantaged” has been disadvantaged. I really can’t see any downside in that.

 

[Hinkley29]

Even that is dramatised a bit. He took us to a GF and tried to change what was at that time, a losing culture.

The club was on its knees at the end of 1999, and then he shat on the place as he left. I know that I am probably misremembering and my emotions are playing tricks on me, but that is how I feel. I also know that it was not all his doing, and there was probably a lot of stuff that was out of his control, but he was the public face of the club at that time and he did nothing to give anyone hope.

Literally the one good thing he did for the club in 1999 was when he quit. We simply did not have the money to sack him, so we were stuck with him until Adelaide rescued us from Ayres purgatory.

 

[barmy44]

I dunno if it’s that big a deal, there’s advantage in collision sports like rugby too.

I just think they AFL has been too fearful about giving the advantaged team an… er… advantage. I’d be inclined to just loosen it up slightly as an incremental step. Start by saying we are not going to call the first possession after an infringement back unless the “advantaged” has been disadvantaged. I really can’t see any downside in that.

All fair points... I guess it's less the collision nature of Aussie Rules and more that is 360° and highly dynamic. We have so much more happening off the ball during phases of play.

Rugby and association football are more focused on the ball carrier, and a foul in football is usually an obvious pull back or ankle clip. In rugby, it's the ball carrier.

Aussie Rules has the added complications of not just preventing the attacking team from being disadvantaged, but also preventing too big an advantage when the ball spills from an obvious high tackle and everyone stops except one guy. And sometimes it isn't even the guy who got tackled high who has the free, because a player elsewhere was already being held before it...

We see players thinking they have a free when they don't or confused over who has the free in every game.

I just see Aussie Rules as a sport where there is basically downside to any interpretation of these kinds ofnrules.

Agreed other sports do it far cleaner and ours is currently not fit for purpose... just don't think the way our game is either played or officiated (out of necessity) provides any simple solution. For a number of reasons.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I would. I think their coach worries they've played their grand final already - hence the comment about them lying down on the ground. And our coach is on record saying their style is "very, very hard to maintain".

I could be wrong, but I think they'll find it hard to put in another good performance next week, let alone next 2 weeks.

I agree.
I wouldn’t want to play them in a GF though. I don’t think my heart could handle another game like that.

 

[catempire]

All fair points... I guess it's less the collision nature of Aussie Rules and more that is 360° and highly dynamic. We have so much more happening off the ball during phases of play.

Rugby and association football are more focused on the ball carrier, and a foul in football is usually an obvious pull back or ankle clip. In rugby, it's the ball carrier.

Aussie Rules has the added complications of not just preventing the attacking team from being disadvantaged, but also preventing too big an advantage when the ball spills from an obvious high tackle and everyone stops except one guy. And sometimes it isn't even the guy who got tackled high who has the free, because a player elsewhere was already being held before it...

We see players thinking they have a free when they don't or confused over who has the free in every game.

I just see Aussie Rules as a sport where there is basically downside to any interpretation of these kinds ofnrules.

Agreed other sports do it far cleaner and ours is currently not fit for purpose... just don't think the way our game is either played or officiated (out of necessity) provides any simple solution. For a number of reasons.

Yeah good points. I just think some of the ambiguity and indecision is a function of the crap rule and if you had more of a bias to paying advantage players would need to adjust.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I think I was just having a panic attack for the first 15 minutes thinking "f* me not again"

To me three more quarters to get over it

Yeah the negative thoughts did come flooding in.

 

[David the Cat]

I have to say I was at ease at quarter time...

1) I have faith in this team

2) Pies had dominated yet the margin was manageable

3) I knew our time would come and so it did.


Have faith grasshoppers..this team is no ordinary group...they will always have their time in matches and hopefully longer than their opponents.

 

[Hoops]

Anyone have footage of the chicken wing tackle on Danger?

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Anyone have footage of the chicken wing tackle on Danger?

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ginnivan-chicken-wing-tackle-infuriates-dangerfield/video/aa8d755289b210ce2df8673c04598bc5

Pretty ordinary action. Should have been suspended.

 

[Finknottle]

I think the Cats will be up and about for the Prelim. Assuming Melbourne gets over Brisbane (with or without Petracca) I think they'll struggle to stay with Geelong after half time. I don't expect Petracca to play this week or next week but they might roll the dice if Melbourne get to the grand final.

 

[And_ROOS]

Melbourne is a big concern but we also have close matches with Brisbane and if Brisbane managed to get over Melbourne (who currently own them) at the MCG (where they are hot trash) then I would definitely be weary of Brissie at the G.

I completely expect Melbourne to win by 50.

 

[MacStradbroke]

He destroyed the career of Gaz I can’t him forgive for that and that’s before touching on a lot of other things

Played Gary Ablett in the twos…he ain’t welcome in Geelong.

 

[Munich]

I agree.
I wouldn’t want to play them in a GF though. I don’t think my heart could handle another game like that.

07 prelim was worse.

 

[allrighty]

Any award named after Gary Ayres can * right off.

Your Pendleburys, selwoods, camerons, neales, Olivers, daicos’s, etc should be embarrassed to accept such an award.

Great player but a (nother) dickhead

 

[Goggin Our Best]

I honestly think it’ll be a cats vs syd GF

I dont know which sides will qualify - and we have to worry about ourselves getting in their

There is no great Stand out side this year - to use a yachting term- it is as wide open as the Sydney Heads - the flag race this year

But Collingwood - if they are not flat after their defeat - then they should easily account for Fremantle - perfect recipe for the Magpies would be to get some quick early goals - the Dockers then buckle - and Coll can put it in cruise control - and they then dont have another mentally sapping game - because they are not machines - and there will come a point where they are exhausted - eg 2020 - when we got them at the Gabba in that final - after they beat W/Coast in a cliff hanger

But if they eliminate Freo - then id give them some chance against the Swans - they have got a great record v Syd in Syd - but i know it is alot better at that ANZ ground . And if you asked Syd who theyd want to play in a PF at present - i think theyd pick Coll last - this year they are the Plucky Pies - ive been financially involved - so iv watched them - they were dead in the water against Ess - they were dead in the water against Carlton - but somehow won

I wouldnt be writing them off - but they just have to freshen up - and beat Fremantle first

 

[Cataholic]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/ginnivan-chicken-wing-tackle-infuriates-dangerfield/video/aa8d755289b210ce2df8673c04598bc5

Pretty ordinary action. Should have been suspended.

The AFL has reviewed it, and deemed there's no case to answer because there was 'insufficient force'.

So a shoulder has to be dislocated, an arm broken, before the grubbiest action in sport receives a citation??

Shouldn't the clear intent to enact the physical action be enough to force a report so the filth is eliminated from the game?

 

[And_ROOS]

07 prelim was worse.

That Joel Corey smother tho...

 

[And_ROOS]

I dont know which sides will qualify - and we have to worry about ourselves getting in their

There is no great Stand out side this year - to use a yachting term- it is as wide open as the Sydney Heads - the flag race this year

But Collingwood - if they are not flat after their defeat - then they should easily account for Fremantle - perfect recipe for the Magpies would be to get some quick early goals - the Dockers then buckle - and Coll can put it in cruise control - and they then dont have another mentally sapping game - because they are not machines - and there will come a point where they are exhausted - eg 2020 - when we got them at the Gabba in that final - after they beat W/Coast in a cliff hanger

But if they eliminate Freo - then id give them some chance against the Swans - they have got a great record v Syd in Syd - but i know it is alot better at that ANZ ground . And if you asked Syd who theyd want to play in a PF at present - i think theyd pick Coll last - this year they are the Plucky Pies - ive been financially involved - so iv watched them - they were dead in the water against Ess - they were dead in the water against Carlton - but somehow won

I wouldnt be writing them off - but they just have to freshen up - and beat Fremantle first

Kinda feels like both finals this weekend will be blowouts, but if there is an upset to happen Freo are good enough to take it up to Collingwood at the MCG. Their gameplan stacks up there, they handed an undefeated Melbourne their first loss there. Freo have strengths in the positions to offset the Pies best players, on top of having a superior ruck and forwards that can go with Moore.

But Sydney have comfortably accounted for the Pies at the SCG the other week, do the Pies have it in them to turn around a 27 point loss especially as the best players from that game (Mills, Parker, Hickey, Rowbottom) all played well against Melbourne.
And you seldom see Heeney, Warner and Franklin play 2 bad games in a row (poor V Dees, great V Pies during season).
But Pies recent record at the SCG have been two losses (27 points this year, 30 points last year) so I don't know where you get the idea they are good there.

Feel like Freo either lose by 6 goals or lose/win by under 10 points. Doesn't feel like the margin will be anywhere in the middle of that.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

07 prelim was worse.

Very similar.
07 probably worse because it was a prelim.
But there was enormous pressure on both teams to win a final they are heavy favourites for.

 

[David the Cat]

The AFL has reviewed it, and deemed there's no case to answer because there was 'insufficient force'.

So a shoulder has to be dislocated, an arm broken, before the grubbiest action in sport receives a citation??

Shouldn't the clear intent to enact the physical action be enough to force a report so the filth is eliminated from the game?

Got to say I was surprised that Ginnivan didn't cop some sort of sanction.

The "excuse" for no action is apparently "insufficient force". In my view its not the force but the action itself that should draw a sanction.

We need to rub this action out right now, before someone gets seriously injured.

 

[Munich]

The AFL has reviewed it, and deemed there's no case to answer because there was 'insufficient force'.

So a shoulder has to be dislocated, an arm broken, before the grubbiest action in sport receives a citation??

Shouldn't the clear intent to enact the physical action be enough to force a report so the filth is eliminated from the game?

Nothing to see play on

Someone will knock that slug's head off soon.

 

[Cataholic]

Got to say I was surprised that Ginnivan didn't cop some sort of sanction.

The "excuse" for no action is apparently "insufficient force". In my view its not the force but the action itself that should draw a sanction.

We need to rub this action out right now, before someone gets seriously injured.

Exactly!!

It's pathetic governance tbh.

 

[Cataholic]

Nothing to see play on

Someone will knock that slug's head off soon.

Can but hope a taste of his own medicine will cure him.

Might need a good dose of it though

 

[Vdubs]

Kinda feels like both finals this weekend will be blowouts, but if there is an upset to happen Freo are good enough to take it up to Collingwood at the MCG. Their gameplan stacks up there, they handed an undefeated Melbourne their first loss there. Freo have strengths in the positions to offset the Pies best players, on top of having a superior ruck and forwards that can go with Moore.

But Sydney have comfortably accounted for the Pies at the SCG the other week, do the Pies have it in them to turn around a 27 point loss especially as the best players from that game (Mills, Parker, Hickey, Rowbottom) all played well against Melbourne.
And you seldom see Heeney, Warner and Franklin play 2 bad games in a row (poor V Dees, great V Pies during season).
But Pies recent record at the SCG have been two losses (27 points this year, 30 points last year) so I don't know where you get the idea they are good there.

Feel like Freo either lose by 6 goals or lose/win by under 10 points. Doesn't feel like the margin will be anywhere in the middle of that.

Either team we face next week will be challenging.
In some ways, Brisbane's forward line is more functional than melbourne's, and they have multiple avenues to goal. Their Cameron is brilliant, Hipwood (who dnp v us last time iirc)could worry us, McStay was great last time we played them- and he won't be rucking, Bailey is a gun, and then there's Joe Daniher. I don't see this as a lay-down-misere for Melbourne.
Let's worry about the Prelim- after another bye - first.

 

[Mr Meow]

Either team we face next week will be challenging.
In some ways, Brisbane's forward line is more functional than melbourne's, and they have multiple avenues to goal. Their Cameron is brilliant, Hipwood (who dnp v us last time iirc)could worry us, McStay was great last time we played them- and he won't be rucking, Bailey is a gun, and then there's Joe Daniher. I don't see this as a lay-down-misere for Melbourne.
Let's worry about the Prelim- after another bye - first.

Why would we worry about our prelim first before the semis? I'll be watching both and then I'll have a whole week to get ready to watch the subsequent matches.