Autopsy Cats lose to Lions by 9 points.

[rocker_oz33]

I think what some forget is he's been turned into a very poor ruckman because he was an absolute disaster down back. And not just for one month or two months, but two seasons.

I actually liked his move to the ruck because he just wasn't cutting it down back, but if he doesn't cut it in the middle I'm not sure what his options are. Maybe a run up forward?

O'Sullivan had as good and as impactful a game as an interceptor last week against the Saints than SDK had in almost three years.

It's a big problem and it's getting to the point where it can't continue. We look a much better side down back with Henry and Kolo over SDK.

Sam a confidence player .
Was great in 2022.

Lost the plot when he's face was smashed in and wore the batman mask.
Hasn't been the same since week in week out.

 

[smotherking]

Some of the marks by Zuthrie in this game were phenomenal. I genuinely love that man. Hard loss to take after leading comfortably but the Gabba is a bit of cauldron these days. It’s not a sprint but a marathon…

 

[TEDDY24INC]

Unacceptable that.

Yeah, they are the reigning premiers, but 26 up at half time in those conditions, with the game on our terms, to throw it away in one quarter is just not good enough.

We're almost a month into the season and we've conceded runs big runs of goals in every game. It's becoming a trend, and one not unfamiliar to us - stopping momentum.

Yep, the modern game is like that, but once our effort falls away, a game comes apart without much resistance.

Our forward line is brilliant when we're on top, but as a group, they are flat out uncompetitive when the game isn't going their way. Shannon Neale could be forgiven, but he was a non-entity for most of the game. You don't need to win every contest, but halving one or two every now and the would be nice.

Ollie Henry is in the same boat.

Jez looks disinterested. Is he injured? Either way, he doesn't look anywhere near the player of the past three years.

Brad Close was better tonight, but he and Tyson aren't having any impact.

The positives were the defence - Zach, COS and Yoshi were excellent, but once again, our better players were defenders. The contributions from the other two lines aren't cutting it right now.

Looking at our fixture for the next month concerns me. I'm confident we can beat the struggling Dees, but after that, the following four are all difficult and we could be 2-6 and barring a Brisbane-like run, finals in serious doubt.

I have my doubts on next week. Their midfield could turn back the clock and maul us. Win, I think we beat crows and hawks, lose we’re in all sorts. Saints loss was inexcusable

 

[cats_09]

I know it's not necessarily going to happen, but I kinda wouldn't mind seeing something of a statement made at the selection table - reward Wiltshire or George for their starts to the VFL season with a senior debut, but at the expense of someone seen as more of a lock in the 22/23, rather than simply for a Clark, Clohesy or Knevitt straight swap

 

[Grimoz]

Jezza Cameron is honestly one of the laziest looking blokes going around, his body language sucks these days, got his contract extension so doesnt need to try anymore it seems, same with Stengel he is hard to watch at times, just looks so bored, need some spark up forward like he was doing in 22, its dead up there at the moment.

 

[Interdimensional Bigfoot]

Some of the marks by Zuthrie in this game were phenomenal. I genuinely love that man. Hard loss to take after leading comfortably but the Gabba is a bit of cauldron these days. It’s not a spring but a marathon…

Turned out to be a fine player, doesn't worry me when Steward goes out, knowing we got him down back, still underrated too.

 

[Grimoz]

I have my doubts on next week. Their midfield could turn back the clock and maul us. Win, I think we beat crows and hawks, lose we’re in all sorts. Saints loss was inexcusable

You are dreaming if you think we beat Crows and Hawks, Crows forward line will murder our backline.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I'm not sure what our competative advantage is this year. You need at least one to leverage.

Running power is a massive issue. The way we structure really hurts it. To make things worse unless we can hold the game to completely negative, we're uncompetative at the comtest, we're suffering from a massive talent deficit.

We can't play our forward stuture with our midfield, we're using 4 players to get the value of 2.5. Which is why we were out numbered everywhere

Our advantage is our conversion inside 50 (usually). But if the supply in number and quality is crap its irrelevant.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

You are dreaming if you think we beat Crows and Hawks, Crows forward line will murder our backline.

Crows are vastly overrated. Hawks not though.

 

[#cats2021]

Sam a confidence player .
Was great in 2022.

Lost the plot when he's face was smashed in and wore the batman mask.
Hasn't been the same since week in week out.

I think everyone understands he is a confidence player, the problem is he has played with none for two (and its looking like three) seasons.

No intensity and limited impact.

For how he looked in 2022 he is nowhere near it, he's had enough time to turn it around and he just hasn't.

Not sure how much longer we are supposed to dance around the issue. It's a big problem, not kicking on and gone backwards.

 

[Lana]

Elaborate on the 4 to 2.5 comment please

A forward line containing Neale,Cameron, O.Henry and Dangerfield at the sametime won't work as they all play tall.

Only Neale is fulling the conventional role of a KPF, Cameron doesn't provide enough of a contested aerial threat, so the opposition doesn't have to defend him like a conventional KPF. Ideally they would have sent Harris Andrew to him but they don't need to, so they sent their 3rd tall. O.Henry plays tall, when he doesn't have the size or athleticism to get away with it. Andrew played through him taking advantage of the size difference knowing that O.Henry won't get involved enough in scoring chains. So even if O.Henry doesn't stay with him, Andrews doesn't have to follow. Danger as a "4th tall" can't do the repeat running especally when he is still pulling double duty as a inside mid. Which releases a rebounding defender for the otherside. They get the free player in the centre of the ground off half back that allows them to slice through us like butter on the counter, if they don't goal, they can press high knowing that Harris Andrews becomes the wall that stops our pressure kicks from congestion in our D50

 

[Cursed Cat]

Jezza Cameron is honestly one of the laziest looking blokes going around, his body language sucks these days, got his contract extension so doesnt need to try anymore it seems, same with Stengel he is hard to watch at times, just looks so bored, need some spark up forward like he was doing in 22, its dead up there at the moment.

The thing that frustrates me the most with Cameron is his reluctance to take the 1st option, ever.
There are times when he'll hold onto the pill, scan around and actually execute an incisive kick to our advantage.
However there are way too many other times when he passes up perfectly good options in the hope of pulling off something clever. It's low percentage stuff a lot of the time.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Jezza Cameron is honestly one of the laziest looking blokes going around, his body language sucks these days, got his contract extension so doesnt need to try anymore it seems, same with Stengel he is hard to watch at times, just looks so bored, need some spark up forward like he was doing in 22, its dead up there at the moment.

They need a kick up the arse .

No YouTube videos till you kick a bag Jez.

 

[thegerman]

Dude you're going to have to get rid of this app, it's crazy trying to read your posts.

Done. The Tapatalk app is totally garbage.

 

[Grimoz]

Dude you're going to have to get rid of this app, it's crazy trying to read your posts.

Maybe its in German

 

[D BRIDGE]

A forward line containing Neale,Cameron, O.Henry and Dangerfield at the sametime won't work as they all play tall.

Only Neale is fulling the conventional role of a KPF, Cameron doesn't provide enough of a contested aerial threat, so the opposition doesn't have to defend him like a conventional KPF. Ideally they would have sent Harris Andrew to him but they don't need to, so they sent their 3rd tall. O.Henry plays tall, when he doesn't have the size or athleticism to get away with it. Andrew played through him taking advantage of the size difference knowing that O.Henry won't get involved enough in scoring chains. So even if O.Henry doesn't stay with him, Andrews doesn't have to follow. Danger as a "4th tall" can't do the repeat running especally when he is still pulling double duty as a inside mid. Which releases a rebounding defender for the otherside. They get the free player in the centre of the ground off half back that allows them to slice through us like butter on the counter, if they don't goal, they can press high knowing that Harris Andrews becomes the wall that stops our pressure kicks from congestion in our D50

Mannagh is desperately missed.

He will be back next week... Not sure what happens with the above forward structure though as I doubt we will drop Henry.

Maybe Neale pulls up sore and misses with his ankle.

Maybe we can Danger playing forward and just use him in bursts in the guts/bench (we do need the midfield support).

 

[rocker_oz33]

I think everyone understands he is a confidence player, the problem is he has played with none for two (and its looking like three) seasons.

No intensity and limited impact.

For how he looked in 2022 he is nowhere near it, he's had enough time to turn it around and he just hasn't.

Not sure how much longer we are supposed to dance around the issue. It's a big problem, not kicking on and gone backwards.

He lacks mongel he's brother got it in spades.

Pity he was looking like a decent player.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

Jezza Cameron is honestly one of the laziest looking blokes going around, his body language sucks these days, got his contract extension so doesnt need to try anymore it seems, same with Stengel he is hard to watch at times, just looks so bored, need some spark up forward like he was doing in 22, its dead up there at the moment.

He is up and down, been a family joke of ours for a few years saying “Will Jezza rock up this week to play or be on the farm?”. He was great in 2022 like most were, started 2023 like a house on fire before going completely cold midway. Last year he turned it on occasionally, and so far this season he’s had 3 stinkers showing very little interest or energy.

Could be he got the flag in 22, started his family, has his farm, plus his YouTube & golf obsession and just signed a new deal, I think Jezza is just content with life, but agree that doesn’t help us as we need him firing and delivering.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Maybe its in German

Pun intended .

 

[TEDDY24INC]

A forward line containing Neale,Cameron, O.Henry and Dangerfield at the sametime won't work as they all play tall.

Only Neale is fulling the conventional role of a KPF, Cameron doesn't provide enough of a contested aerial threat, so the opposition doesn't have to defend him like a conventional KPF. Ideally they would have sent Harris Andrew to him but they don't need to, so they sent their 3rd tall. O.Henry plays tall, when he doesn't have the size or athleticism to get away with it. Andrew played through him taking advantage of the size difference knowing that O.Henry won't get involved enough in scoring chains. So even if O.Henry doesn't stay with him, Andrews doesn't have to follow. Danger as a "4th tall" can't do the repeat running especally when he is still pulling double duty as an inside mid. Which releases a rebounding defender for the otherside. They get the free player in the centre of the ground off half back that allows them to slice through us like butter on the counter, if they don't goal, they can press high knowing that Harris Andrews becomes the wall that stops our pressure kicks from congestion in our D50

To me, Cameron needs to just go back to being the big bananna full forward. Neale can play CHF and then he and danger wax FF when Cameron has a breather. Olie Henry essentially plays a foil role, which is a tough and limited role, inconsistent output is to be expected but not condoned in this role, all about effort..

 

[thegerman]

The ruck thing is funny. They won hitouts 48-39 and clearances 45-43. Considering they have clearly a stronger midfield it's hard to imagine we were beaten that badly in the ruck. But of course that's the only thing anyone around here seems to concentrate on.

SDK's problems tonight were dropping key marks, miskicks under no pressure and some fumbles. His ruck work can improve but was in no way a liability tonight.

The issue is, the missed marks and poor kicking is causing us issues. One I remember vividly is a poor kick and turnover that cost a goal. Heads dipped all around him.

 

[catscratchfever]

Some of the marks by Zuthrie in this game were phenomenal. I genuinely love that man. Hard loss to take after leading comfortably but the Gabba is a bit of cauldron these days. It’s not a sprint but a marathon…

It’s amazing to see the level he has reached considering a lot of (most?) Cats fans wanted his head on a pole just a few short years ago. Same think has happened with Mullin and Clark more recently. Just cut them a little slack and show a bit of faith in Scott and the MC - they’ve done pretty well over the long haul in terms of their list management and other choices.

 

[Vdubs]

Crows are vastly overrated. Hawks not though.

Crows, GC, and Hawks will be very hard for us to beat this year, but I'd be happy to beat the listless Demons next week- a real challenge given their likely desperate approach next week.

 

[Catsnlakers]

With the games we have coming up, we are already teetering on the edge of an absolute failure of a season and we are only 3 games in. We should beat the Demons but our next win might not come until Rd10 or 11. We look dire. Cameron is wildly out of form and needs to be parked at FF and stop having him roam because Neale just isn't ready to hold down a KPF spot on his own.

I’m pretty confident we’ll beat the Pies and Blues at the ‘G, like we did last year (yes I’m aware the Blues beat us also), but we must find one win out of the Crows and Hawks matches, on exposed form it looks unlikely, but if we do we’ll be ok, the second half of our season looks pretty good tbh, can’t complain at getting the Dons and Tigers twice from Round 14 onwards…On the actual performance tonight, my biggest frustration was with Neale & Henry, not competitive enough in the air & they need to learn to be able to get it to ground.

 

[Finknottle]

Coming back from the game. Live, looked sensational in the second, alas the wheels fell off big time.

Some observations.

• SDK isn’t working. Unsure if he’s scared or there’s something in his mind going on, but the spilled marks that are uncontested is alarming.
• some will pick on the same younger players such as Henry, Neale or Mullin; I’ll single a senior player out. Jeremy Cameron. That was by far the worst performance from a senior player I’ve seen in years. He was utterly useless.
• I thought Mullin to half time was very productive.
• without Zuth we’d have lost by 10 goals. Such a brilliant game from him.
• Holmes. Got a bit of it but by God his disposal very ordinary after half time. Several unforced errors costing us forward entries.
• Atkins tried his guts out. 14 Tackles. Just amazing.

When your midfield is up against the best, you’ve got to be on your game. We were fit the first half, alas errors and poor disposal totally overshadowed that first half.




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Cameron was fcuking awlful. He doesn't seem interested. He is extremely overpaid at the moment. The problem is, guys like Cameron, OHenry know there are no replacements for them in the VFL side. The VFL side struggled to beat the worst team in the competition today.