Changes for Round 22?

[Mego Red]

Got to be kidding on Douglas, one of the only ones who showed heart today.

You've got to cut Drumm some slack on his blind prejudice against Douglas. One time, Drummond came home after a drinking session with Pfeiffer and Meesen to find Douglas was making out with his girlfriend.

Luckily, he didn't know Jericho was also there videoing it, otherwise he'd hate him even more ...

 

[seababoon]

whoever said stevens out, unless he is injured, is just stupid.as if he'll be dropped

 

[pjcrows]

You know you're struggling when you talk about bringing in another forward to compliment Nick Gill.

 

[Drummond]

13 possesions is much better than Bryce "I am a 9 possesion superstar" Campbell!

FFS you pure hate of Douglas is childish. Maybe you need to get laid to release all that tension. If Douglas was a Norwood player you would be worshiping the ground he walks on.

Seriously dude, get some ****ing perspective

Bryce tagging and getting 55% game time compared to Douglas who gets 13 and 80% time.

Get a clue Stiffyman!

 

[SellarStardom]

Vince will come back in this week for Danger but that is the only likely in. Porplyzia is only a maybe, the likely candidate for him would be Mackay.

The Bulldogs forward line is the interesting one.
Welsh - Bassett or Massie
Hahn - As above
Johnson - Probably move Johncock back onto him
Aker - Doughty and McLeod forward.
Cooney - If he plays forward Bock

So that leaves Rutten the odd one out. Again I would put him forward, true FF, with Gill and Stevens on the CHF line. I know he has struggled but he would straighten us up. The other option is Tippett but would leave Moran out

So definite
Vince In: Danger Out

Possible
Porplyzia In: Mackay Out
Tippett??

 

[fryingpan]

Bryce tagging and getting 55% game time compared to Douglas who gets 13 and 80% time.

Get a clue Stiffyman!

Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe Douglas just has more footballing ability than Campbell?

 

[crowsup]

Bryce tagging and getting 55% game time compared to Douglas who gets 13 and 80% time.

Get a clue Stiffyman!

Drummond,
could you put up the teams YOU would have selected for the past two games?
Maybe we could have a go at dissecting your picks?
One of reasons I'm asking is because you complained when Otten was given one game only, but then queried why was Danger picked for his second game.
What is the difference in the logic?

 

[jackster83]

Vince will come back in this week for Danger but that is the only likely in. Porplyzia is only a maybe, the likely candidate for him would be Mackay.

The Bulldogs forward line is the interesting one.
Welsh - Bassett or Massie
Hahn - As above
Johnson - Probably move Johncock back onto him
Aker - Doughty and McLeod forward.
Cooney - If he plays forward Bock

So that leaves Rutten the odd one out. Again I would put him forward, true FF, with Gill and Stevens on the CHF line. I know he has struggled but he would straighten us up. The other option is Tippett but would leave Moran out

So definite
Vince In: Danger Out

Possible
Porplyzia In: Mackay Out
Tippett??

Dear God no!

Massie on Johnson
Bock on Welsh (can hurt him going the other way)
Bassett on Hahn
Doughty on Aker
Stevens as the loose man getting in the way.

 

[Mego Red]

Bryce tagging and getting 55% game time compared to Douglas who gets 13 and 80% time.

Get a clue Stiffyman!

One a midfielder, the other a small forward. Surely that needs no further explanation.

You need to start taking your medication again, Drumm - you were a really good poster there for a while, but the crazyman has come out again these last couple of weeks.

 

[Drummond]

One a midfielder, the other a small forward. Surely that needs no further explanation.

You need to start taking your medication again, Drumm - you were a really good poster there for a while, but the crazyman has come out again these last couple of weeks.

I think it's because of the Olympics. I really haven't watched anything bar the Olympics for 2 weeks. I have watched the Crows games but my focus has been on the Games. I will get back to my "old" posting self, might not be good, but better than my recent form.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Douglas has been pretty damn good this year as a defensive forward.

Averaging 12.75 touches, 3.5 tackles, and just over a goal isnt a bad effort.

 

[PCORF]

In: Vince, Porplyzia, (or Jericho, hehe just kidding)
Out: Dangerfield, Bassett

Bring back Scott Welsh!

 

[NTRabbit]

...and to think I laughed when people were posting about the Richmond and Essendon fans "eating their young" on their boards

Personally, I think Douglas has been ordinary with his skills and intensity at times during the last 5 or 6 weeks - he gives contrasting efforts, great leads, hard roving work and snapped goals one minute, then 10 minutes later a soft disposal error or weak effort at a hard ball get that results in a turnover. I don't think he'll be dropped though.

Unless there are any injuries I don't know about, or someone eg Bock fails to pull up from a knock, the only changes I see are Vince in for Mackay, and Porplyzia in for Dangerfield - or alternatively, just Vince for Dangerfield if the Medical Staff rules Porps out for another week.

We won't, and nor should we, see Walker or Petrenko in the side this year, and unless Gill is injured or rapidly falls out of favour, I think we've seen the last of Tippett for 2008 as well. The same goes for Griffin or Tippett over Moran.

I think people should get used to the idea that Craig has pretty much settled, bar injury or massive form slump, on his side for September.

 

[achancely]

There is a lot of excessive praise for Douglas on here just to counter Drummond's dislike of him.

That's dumb.

Douglas has been inconsistent, that's the reality. After the number of games he has played, you'd now be hoping for better than he is giving. A defensive forward? That's a cheap cop-out. He gets regular runs in the midfield and the fact is, what NTRabbit described is correct. He hasn't broken 20 possessions in a game this year - that's telling. Porps does it regularly, and he's been in the forward line more than Douglas.

Enough of the anti-Drummond Douglas love brigade. Realistically, he's behind where he should be (look at Mackay, or Vince, or Van Berlo) and there's no reason to hide from that.

He does some good things, but doing some good things is not enough.

FWIW, I do sympathise with Drummond on Campbell. I've been impressed by him in his limited gametime - tough, in and under and pinpoint disposal. He will still probably be delisted due to list management issues, but I think he's far from disgraced himself.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

There is a lot of excessive praise for Douglas on here just to counter Drummond's dislike of him.

That's dumb.

Douglas has been inconsistent, that's the reality. After the number of games he has played, you'd now be hoping for better than he is giving. A defensive forward? That's a cheap cop-out. He gets regular runs in the midfield and the fact is, what NTRabbit described is correct. He hasn't broken 20 possessions in a game this year - that's telling. Porps does it regularly, and he's been in the forward line more than Douglas.

Enough of the anti-Drummond Douglas love brigade. Realistically, he's behind where he should be (look at Mackay, or Vince, or Van Berlo) and there's no reason to hide from that.

He does some good things, but doing some good things is not enough.

FWIW, I do sympathise with Drummond on Campbell. I've been impressed by him in his limited gametime - tough, in and under and pinpoint disposal. He will still probably be delisted due to list management issues, but I think he's far from disgraced himself.

I don't know if it's cos you are a Glenelg supporter but you are speaking a lot of sense imo

You've hit the nail on the head re Douglas and this forum...he seriously isn't performing all that well but does do the odd inspiring cameo which gives us hope that he will become the player we hope he does. Certainly not as bad as Drummond's portrayal but seriously people have gone way overboard the other way.

Love to see a map of where he gets his possessions...as with most forwards these days, it's not as if he is stuck in the forward 50, plenty of his game is further afield.

Not getting enough of the ball and way too inconsistent with his ball-handling (sometimes a beautiful mark overhead for his size, others fumbles an easy ball leading to turnover and opposition goal) and disposal (sometimes a piercing bullet pass or great snap goal, whereas other times, usually when the pressure is on, he'll miss an absolute sitter directly in front).

Hopefully he gets more of a chance on ball next year as Edwards tapers down in that area, to prove himself. I have concerns about his ability under pressure, and his lack of explosive speed off the mark (some are very quick in the first few metres even if not pacy players...Johncock, whereas others are fast when the speed is up but don't have the explosiveness/judgement/instinct to pull away in traffic...Jericho).

We shall see...but seriously people let's get some balance...and the fact he is 21 cuts him a little slack, but if he hasn't ironed out his current problems in the next 2 years means he is only an average AFL player. Let's hope he improves to be a very good one

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Would go tall to stretch the Dogs, assuming weather reasonably OK. At times would play both Moran & Tippett forward.

Being saying for months Goody needs a rest before finals - this is the last chance & given players available makes sense.

Vince is a must return if fit.

Stiffy for me is the least deserving player at the moment. Make him fight his way back in.


In: Porplyzia, Vince, Tippett
Out. Dangerfield, Johncock, Goodwin

B: McLeod, Rutten, Bassett
HB: Massie, Bock, Doughty
C: Vince, van Berlo, Mackay
HF: Stevens, Gill, Porplyzia
F: Douglas, Moran, Edwards
R: Maric, Thompson, Shirley
I: Tippett, Symes, Reilly, Knights

 

[Jetwa5h]

So who is Geelong's QUALITY tall forward ? And if you say Mooney you are kidding yourself. How are the Cat's travelling ?

In Geelongs case a totally dominant midfield will cover a lot of deficiencies, they dominant through the corridor so any entry inside 50 is wide and under pressure, if I was a Geelong fwd with bartel, ablett, corey, ling etc lacing me out I could be quite medioce and get away with it.

on our changes for r22 I would like a bit of a rethink in our fwd 50 in the words of J.Ried when danger was first selected we have to see our options are, so lets bring in Porps , Vince, Tippet drop Stevens, Danger, and Goody I would also like to see campbell and walker also who to drop who knows maybe basset as his spot could against the doggies could be done by Massie. Rotate Moran,Tippett, Maric though FF and Bench and Ruck. Worst case scenario and we need a tall down back through Moran down back rotate Tippet and Maric through the fwds.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I can't believe people think Moran will be dropped. Ridiculous.

I'll repost this from another thread:

St. Kilda - 26 hit-outs (23% efficiency)
King - 21 (19%)
Goddard - 2 (0%)
Other - 3

Adelaide - 27 hit-outs (30% efficiency)
Maric - 13 (31%); 5 disposals, 1 mark, 77%TOG
Moran - 10 (40%); 12 disposals, 7 marks, 72%TOG
Other - 4

Interesting reading hey!

I am getting tired of the pre-conceived bias against Moran based on a couple mis-timed leaps, a couple soft frees in his early games (which ruckman isn't pinged for crap frees), and the fact he is newer to the game...i am not claiming he is an elite ruck yet but he is far, far better than the scathing reviews people have given him.

Best rucking efficiency in the match!!!!!!

His major deficit at this stage is he in not a naturally 'hard at it' player like Maric but he makes up for it in field play with good positioning, linking up, very sound skills, strong marking, AND good ruckwork which is improving every game.

Watch the play not the reputation i reckon.

 

[dplggr47]

Would go tall to stretch the Dogs, assuming weather reasonably OK. At times would play both Moran & Tippett forward.

Being saying for months Goody needs a rest before finals - this is the last chance & given players available makes sense.

Vince is a must return if fit.

Stiffy for me is the least deserving player at the moment. Make him fight his way back in.

In: Porplyzia, Vince, Tippett
Out. Dangerfield, Johncock, Goodwin

B: McLeod, Rutten, Bassett
HB: Massie, Bock, Doughty
C: Vince, van Berlo, Mackay
HF: Stevens, Gill, Porplyzia
F: Douglas, Moran, Edwards
R: Maric, Thompson, Shirley
I: Tippett, Symes, Reilly, Knights

but this game is as important as any other, because the crows would want the advantage of a home final.
...and i know Johncock has been in some poor form, but i feel the coaching staff is partly at fault with playing him up forward...which was where he was needed at the time...but it seemed to me that they were playing him out of form.

 

[Alex99]

Playing 2 weeks in a row at the Telstra Dome, Nick Gill may struggle to come up. He was struggling with his calf after the Essendon game, how did he pull up?

I wonder if we have any other injury issues after playing at the Dome 2 weeks in a row.

Goodwin back?

 

[TheLeftFist8]

For mine:

IN: Porplyzia, Vince, Tippett

OUT: Dangerfield, Douglas, Goodwin (if injured)/Reilly


I am going for the extra tall this week to improve the forward structure in the lead-up to finals. If finals weren't the next week, I'd leave Tippett out given the fact we may actually have 1 tall too many against the Dogs but i feel we need to get our side and structure settled for the next week.

That said, Vince and Porps were other definite inclusions.

The other two outs were a little more difficult. IF Goodwin would benefit from a week off then he should get it, but i doubt it will happen. Therefore, 2 unlucky players would make way along with the obvious omission in Dangerfield.

For me one of Johncock or Douglas had to go given Porps will be a permanent forward, and we need to fit some talls up there, and i prefer Johncock to stay forward and back him in to start causing damage.

Up forward he has a goal average on par with Douglas, and looking at the last game both were average with very similar stats for similar TOG though Stiffy had slighty more tackles and better disposal efficiency (though both were poor). Stiffy is still the better player and is better in defence if required. He will handle the finals pressure better than Douglas imo.

Given i wouldn't want to change the back 6 at this stage (thus they are safe) and Stevens required as the swingman, then the final decision comes down to Reilly v Mackay. Again stats are even but the glaring difference is disposal efficiency...Mackay 92% v Reilly 71%. It was a pressure game, we were woeful but Mackay was a class above and was one of the few players to attack with purpose and skill...he should stay in AND get more time on ground...he is an absolute gun, will lead our gun 2010 midfield with Thompson, VB, Vince, Danger and Porps and should get finals experience this year.

 

[NTRabbit]

but this game is as important as any other, because the crows would want the advantage of a home final.
...and i know Johncock has been in some poor form, but i feel the coaching staff is partly at fault with playing him up forward...which was where he was needed at the time...but it seemed to me that they were playing him out of form.

He was already off his best form, and was then forced to play a very different position - sure, he was a small forward when he started, but Rutten started as a Full Forward too, I would not expect him to make a successful instant transition to the opposite square either. The fact that he's a crumbing forward in an attack with little in the way of timber to feed under, and our forward entries against the Saints especially were suicidal, did not aid him at all.

With the return of both Vince and Porplyzia this week, and the menagerie of small and medium forwards the Dogs have, it's almost certain that Johncock will be returned to his best role in our defence - and hopefully, he can find some form back there as well.

 

[Porps_is_HOT_loz]

In: Vince, Porplyzia, (or Jericho, hehe just kidding)
Out: Dangerfield, Bassett

Bring back Scott Welsh!

Naa its ok.

Umm what?

Omg what?

 

[NTRabbit]

Again stats are even but the glaring difference is disposal efficiency...Mackay 92% v Reilly 71%. It was a pressure game, we were woeful but Mackay was a class above and was one of the few players to attack with purpose and skill...he should stay in AND get more time on ground...he is an absolute gun, will lead our gun 2010 midfield with Thompson, VB, Vince, Danger and Porps and should get finals experience this year.

Those stats are all well and good, but the disposal efficiency of Reilly needs to be compared with one other factor - he is far and away the longest boot in our midfield, and sometimes it's worth trading some of the short range efficiency for a player who can just roost the ball long over a midfield flood, with relatively good accuracy given the length of the kick.

 

[dplggr47]

He was already off his best form, and was then forced to play a very different position - sure, he was a small forward when he started, but Rutten started as a Full Forward too, I would not expect him to make a successful instant transition to the opposite square either. The fact that he's a crumbing forward in an attack with little in the way of timber to feed under, and our forward entries against the Saints especially were suicidal, did not aid him at all.

With the return of both Vince and Porplyzia this week, and the menagerie of small and medium forwards the Dogs have, it's almost certain that Johncock will be returned to his best role in our defence - and hopefully, he can find some form back there as well.

which is what i'm hoping for...i don't see dropping him will do any good for his confidence.

...i'm still undecided on the one other player to make way for Porpz. (Vince in for Danger).