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[Wood_Duck]

Look at Doughty's stats more touches and more tackles, same with Mcleod, ha When is 29 touches a bad game? (Im talking about VB) Moran got as many tackles as Petrenko, and Moran isnt expected to pressure and tackle as much as Petrenko. Ok Douglas was useless.

He played his 7th career game, hes 19 years old, he will have good games and bad games and has a 10-15 year future with the club. I would not drop him and keep players with 50-100 games experience and no excuse for their current performances.

 

[Klug]

Absolutely amazed that anyone would consider dropping Petrenko, who has been one the best tackling, hard at it players we have had in our team all year.

If people consider Petrenko should get the axe based form, then you would have to drop Goody, McLeod, Rutten, Van Berlo, Douglas, Doughty, Moron before him...gee we're running out of players!

 

[NTRabbit]

Absolutely amazed that anyone would consider dropping Petrenko, who has been one the best tackling, hard at it players we have had in our team all year.

If people consider Petrenko should get the axe based form, then you would have to drop Goody, McLeod, Rutten, Van Berlo, Douglas, Doughty, Moron before him...gee we're running out of players!

Look at the substance, not the flash. He's been hard at it, but he's not winning the ball, and today even his tackling was down on his average.

Small forwards these days must be high on their frontal pressure, but by the same token, you can't just pick them to play based on that pressure - they still have to win the ball by contest, by free kick or by crumb, and they still have to kick goals, and Petrenko just hasn't been doing that.

 

[Dandy_GO]

Were we at the same game today? Threw his body in to the contest, worked his guts out. Is only one of a few that kicks it long out of a clearance. I have that much confidence to suggest he would've had more kicks than handpasses, so your referenece to him always handpassing is crap. Also, we have about 18 other players that continously put teammates under pressure from a handpass

Bang on.
I actually thought Douglas was good today. Didn't get enough of the ball, but he used it better than the vast majority of the team. A solid game.
I probably shouldn't be, but I was bloody surprised to find him being bagged again. There were several players who were so much worse.

 

[brent-83]

For what its worth, I think Doughty is having a horror year and he made some mistakes today but you realise he was matched against Griffin and pretty much nullified him for the day?

VB was horrible. Easily one of the worst, regardless of getting 29 touches or 290. Turnover merchant.

Knights, Walker, Tippett and Dangerfield can hold their head high, I don't know many others that can. Thommo was great in the first half and Reilly needs to be in the midfield, he is not a defender.

Don't even get me started on McLeod. He has been a disgrace after round 1. A coach just needs to put someone on him that won't give him 100 yards of free space and he can be sure McLeod won't work hard to break it or even go against it. It is really disappointing see a player of his calibre and a leader at our club put in efforts like this.

 

[pjcrows]

The reason why they haven't given Sellar more than a token debut by now is pretty obvious.

 

[NTRabbit]

Bang on.
I actually thought Douglas was good today. Didn't get enough of the ball, but he used it better than the vast majority of the team. A solid game.
I probably shouldn't be, but I was bloody surprised to find him being bagged again. There were several players who were so much worse.

To be fair, I thought Douglas played a much better game than he did the last 2 weeks, calling him terrible was unfair.

To be honest though, it wasn't going to be all that hard to improve on those dreadful last 2 games.

 

[Brenton Davy]

Moran, Mcleod, Doughty, van Berlo, Douglas.

There's 5

It's not all about stats peanut, I'd rather Petenko get 6 touches and chase, tackle, go hard at the packs and pressure his opponent than the efforts of the above listed guys today. One tall blonde headed ponce in particular.

Sorry, but .....

Eddie Hocking thread

 

[WALL-e]

I'd like to see Symes stay.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Just shows we all see the game differently

Thought Van Berlo was in that middle group of players that played just OK

My worst player ward today goes to Symes .......who is clearly not in last years form and is struggling

Out: Symes, Goodwin (ankle) and Moran

In: Bock, Jacky, Griffin (Maric hasn't served his penanace yet )

And Griffin has?! Griffin was dropped this week because of the soft, piss poor performance he put in last week. This was confirmed by the club. At least Maric has some sort of presence around the ball. His 2 replacements have been underwhelming overall.

This was much improved effort on last week but one deplorable quarter cost us a game of footy. I thought all of our senior players were well down. Edwards had a big last quarter to cover up his average game. McLeod touched it once at quarter time and just looks to be disinterested out there. A lot of pointing and not enough work rate. Goodwin has been deplorable the last 2 weeks.

Moran was just Couldn't tap, found a bit of the ball but had no idea what to do with it, so indecisive on whether to handball or kick and by the time he makes up his mind, the option is gone and he still manages to pick the wrong option regardless.

And on van Berlo, he is struggling big time. Sure he gets enough of the ball but god he makes some ridiculous decisions. His worst game for quite some time. Vince wasn't all that good either.

I think our problem this year hasn't necessarily been that our oldies aren't having great impacts or that our kids are inconsistent. Its the middle tier players that are all having a down year overall. Doughty, Reilly, van Berlo, Mackay (although still young but struggling), Symes, Maric, Douglas, Rutten, Stevens, etc are all having a quieter years that we should expect from them. Add to that inconsistent form of Goodwin and McLeod and you almost have half your team down on form. They kids have been reasonably consistent for the kids. Tippett has been a shining light (was bad in the first round), Walker has probably been the most inconsistent. Dangerfield has been pretty consistent as has been Otten. Petrenko has played a lot of different roles and despite only 6 possessions today I thought he at least had some presence in the forward line.

If these guys that are down on form and confidence can get back to their standard and maybe even improve a bit more we would be a LOT better off.

 

[noddy]

Just shows we all see the game differently

Thought Van Berlo was in that middle group of players that played just OK

My worst player ward today goes to Symes .......who is clearly not in last years form and is struggling

Out: Symes, Goodwin (ankle) and Moran

In: Bock, Jacky, Griffin (Maric hasn't served his penanace yet )

Couple of weeks ago i said we couldn't afford both of Symes & Doughty in the same 22, now i will add Douglas to that list & say we cannot not afford to play any 2 of them in the same 22.

Players that dive on the ball & turn it over on a regular basis are a dime a ton what we need is enough ballgetters who can actually deliver the bloody ball.

Those that want to drop Rutten & Mcleod need to get serious as macca while not at his brilliant best was at least serviceable & Truck wasn't too bad either with an improvement on previous weeks form.

Skills is what's killing us & has been for a few years now.

Moran should have another week.

 

[smoovy]

I don't think Moran is a ruckman. He is better off as a tall forward. I forget the game last year he had when he was on fire up forward, kicked at least 4. He can actually take a good grab. I think at the moment he can do a serviceable job up forward if we wanted to leave Tippet in the ruck.

Moran's stuff in the first quarter was pretty damn good, he just totally went out of the game after that.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

And Griffin has?! Griffin was dropped this week because of the soft, piss poor performance he put in last week. This was confirmed by the club. At least Maric has some sort of presence around the ball. His 2 replacements have been underwhelming overall.

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Sorry was that an "official" club response

Assuming Griffin was ill and the reason he didn't line up for Centrals .......and the illness was the reason for his omission .....aren't you adding color to the situation

The club has never been backwards in dropping any player on performance .....there's absolutely no reason for Craig & the club to sugarcoat Griffins omission

That said I still think he will come back next week over Maric

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Moran should have another week.

rest assured he will get another week ......with the Bloods

 

[noddy]

Sorry was that an "official" club response

Assuming Griffin was ill and the reason he didn't line up for Centrals .......and the illness was the reason for his omission .....aren't you adding color to the situation

The club has never been backwards in dropping any player on performance .....there's absolutely no reason for Craig & the club to sugarcoat Griffins omission

That said I still think he will come back next week over Maric

According to JR on thursday Griffin was out regardless of any illness.

 

[noddy]

rest assured he will get another week ......with the Bloods

If Griffin can get 2 weeks why not Moran ?

& don't say because ones a pom.

Plus i should also add that he did get involved with a bit of push & shove with Lake.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If Griffin can get 2 weeks why not Moran ?

& don't say because ones a pom.

No because Morans Rucking efforts were EVEN WORSE than Griffins

TWT but to me what I have seen of Maric in the SANFL since being dropped still shows him to lack a fierce agressive approach to the game .......something he was doing last season

Griffin over Maric for me ATS

 

[Stiffy_18]

Sorry was that an "official" club response

Assuming Griffin was ill and the reason he didn't line up for Centrals .......and the illness was the reason for his omission .....aren't you adding color to the situation

The club has never been backwards in dropping any player on performance .....there's absolutely no reason for Craig & the club to sugarcoat Griffins omission

That said I still think he will come back next week over Maric

The only person that is sugarcoating Griffin's omission here is you. John Reid on Thursday on 5AA said that Griffin wasn't dropped because of tonsillitis, he was dropped because they were unhappy with his game against Port. Now that is as clear a message as you are going to get from the club. And when asked further by Cornes about the omission it was pretty clear by Reid's response that he was dropped for his soft as butter performance in the showdown.

 

[NTRabbit]

I don't think Moran is a ruckman. He is better off as a tall forward. I forget the game last year he had when he was on fire up forward, kicked at least 4. He can actually take a good grab. I think at the moment he can do a serviceable job up forward if we wanted to leave Tippet in the ruck.

Moran's stuff in the first quarter was pretty damn good, he just totally went out of the game after that.

I don't think he's a ruckman either, I think he's a tall utility who can also ruck a little in an emergency - a bit of an indictment on Griffin and Maric that we've had to call him up as ruckman number four when the emergency is not a pair of injuries.

Fair to say we'll be looking for a ruckman or two in the coming rookie draft, just in case.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The only person that is sugarcoating Griffin's omission here is you. John Reid on Thursday on 5AA said that Griffin wasn't dropped because of tonsillitis, he was dropped because they were unhappy with his game against Port. Now that is as clear a message as you are going to get from the club. And when asked further by Cornes about the omission it was pretty clear by Reid's response that he was dropped for his soft as butter performance in the showdown.

Yep granted I don't hear Adelaide media ......it just means we have two underperforming ruckman in Maric & Griffin

So one will get the nod this week ..... I just said I would go with Griffin

 

[relapse]

His tackling is great.

Today it was less so. Couple that with everything else, and well, there you go. Replace him with Jacky, I say.



Jacky is not a tall, and I have him in for Petrenko.

Funny you say that, because I see Gill and Shirley both on our list next year, but I don't see Sellar.

Shirley is gone, if you have a guy nearing 30 that cant get a game coming out of contract it would be ridiculous to give him a contract extension. The truth is that Shirley is an honest trier and that's about it he has always reminded me of Stewie Cochrane an expendable honest trier, not a match winner but can give you a serviceable game on his day. Gill is another one, a younger version of Ian Perrie who is only being retained solely because we currently dont have the forward line depth.

I know that to you Gill and Shirley should be in the side long before someone like Walker or Dangerfield etc, but really Shirley is finished IMO and his non selection for most games this year is a display of that. Going forward I think we can only afford one of either Doughty or Shirley after this year. I believe both are coming out of contract and I expect one will more than likely get a one year deal while the other will be delisted so I think Doughty will be there, but Shirley wont. Whether Gill is retained depends on how Hentschel goes injury wise for the remainder of the year.

I think if it came down to Sellar V Shirley to be on the list of 2010 I would pick Sellar even if he doesnt get a game this year.

 

[JunX]

I think Moran was Ok, better than griffin, and I have always said he should be a tall forward, not a ruck.

Out - Stevens, Douglas
In - Maric, Jacky

 

[-CG-]

Bang on.
I actually thought Douglas was good today. Didn't get enough of the ball, but he used it better than the vast majority of the team. A solid game.
I probably shouldn't be, but I was bloody surprised to find him being bagged again. There were several players who were so much worse.

Agree

Hopefully Bock can come in and one of Maric and Griffin have to be brought in.

Stevens hasn't done much in the past few weeks so he should warrant a dropping.

 

[Elite Crow]

Everyone all over BigFooty has been saying we need to go backwards in order to rebiuld. A couple of early away wins papered over the cracks, but its obvious that the old guys are too old and too far past their best. As much as I hated (and still do) Paul Keating, paraphrase him with:

"It's the slump we had to have"

Deal with it. Its highly unlikely we will see finals action this year and I don't like watching them lose, but thats the reality of sport, be it AFL, cricket, NRL, Soccer, etc. No-one stays on or near the top forever, especially in the AFL's false equalisation rationale with salary caps and drafts etc.

2 years time I reckon we will looking extremely good for a flag, just not yet.

Fair call, except for the flag in two years. The problem is the players who are the next oldest after our veterans arent that good or in danger of being delisted themselves. Players such as shirley, doughty, stevens. In normal circumstances these guys would be leading the club to a premiership in 2 years but they are incapable.
Therefore we will have even more juniors playing in 2 years time than we have today. Assuming these juniors are talented, they should complement a core group of our current promising juniors. We are more likely to be a premiership contender when Tippett, Walker, Danger, Otten etc have played for about 5 years straight together, say 2014.

What is also going against us being contenders in 2 years is the competition. Teams like Geelong, St Kilda, Hawthorn and WB will still be strong and Carlton will be around the mark.

Sorry if I have depressed anyone, Im now going into the shed to start the car.

 

[Elite Crow]

Agree

Hopefully Bock can come in and one of Maric and Griffin have to be brought in.

Stevens hasn't done much in the past few weeks so he should warrant a dropping.

They reckon Bocks out for 3-4