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[1970crow]

Honestly, our forward line was a complete embarrassment without Walker.

If nothing else, he ensures that the structure remains and players are where they're meant to be.

We can sh*t on him, but I'm not sure I can support a team that is as bad as we were against North, and the lack of leadership in the forward line was a big part of that.

bullshit. The north effort was due to selection, all enthusiasm removed from the group. Forward line was no worse the week he missed due to injury. This excusing poor output for leadership is rubbish. Perform or get dropped, pretty simple stuff.

 

[marty36]

bullshit. The north effort was due to selection, all enthusiasm removed from the group. Forward line was no worse the week he missed due to injury. This excusing poor output for leadership is rubbish. Perform or get dropped, pretty simple stuff.

BS are performances are created from what we have available in talent which is F all

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[Mego Red]

My guess is "boomers" would be quite a sizeable minority on the Adelaide board and indeed Big Footy in general....And I doubt the majority of posters that are "shatting" on Tex and other Crows players fall into the boomer category.

I actually think the age of people on Bigfooty swings a lot older that you'd expect.

Boomer is maybe an exaggeration, but the 45+ segment here would be pretty large.

 

[Mego Red]

Not if it's against the Coach's instructions re set ups. We are about the only team in the AFL that don't aggresively look to switch the play regularly to break the oppo zones down, we're a high kick down the line type of team it seems especially with forward entries. Oppo defenders must rub their hands with glee when they see they're playing Adelaide next up.

I still think it's impossible for us to know currently whether the issues are with the instructions from coaches, or the players ability to follow them. Probably only Nicks knows.

Watching how terrible we've been at periods where senior onfield leaders have either been injured or off the ground, it does seem like there's issues with the players organising themselves on the ground.

 

[Truck25]

I still think it's impossible for us to know currently whether the issues are with the instructions from coaches, or the players ability to follow them. Probably only Nicks knows.

Watching how terrible we've been at periods where senior onfield leaders have either been injured or off the ground, it does seem like there's issues with the players organising themselves on the ground.

I don't think we can judge the game plan yet, having coached for plenty of years I know it's one thing to tell players the plan, but for them to really to get it they need to train it, and they just haven't had the ability to do that. I've heard the excuse that all teams are dealing with it, but other than Freo they have all had time to train their game plans. I think this plays a big part in the disconnect between what we want to do and what we are doing.

 

[1970crow]

I still think it's impossible for us to know currently whether the issues are with the instructions from coaches, or the players ability to follow them. Probably only Nicks knows.

Watching how terrible we've been at periods where senior onfield leaders have either been injured or off the ground, it does seem like there's issues with the players organising themselves on the ground.

You're unbelievable. You're suggesting that the only time we've had issues is when seniors were on the bench or injured. You're such a pathetic troll. It must burn you that so many have been proven right and you've been wrong all along.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I actually think the age of people on Bigfooty swings a lot older that you'd expect.

Boomer is maybe an exaggeration, but the 45+ segment here would be pretty large.

Yep. Board is rife with geezers.

 

[SellarStardom]

I genuinely want to know where the clubs sees Fog.

he doesn't appear to be a stay at home contested marker, but that is what he seems to be getting played as.

Agreed

He is an ideal 2nd or 3rd forward but has enormous potential to play more of a Petracca role running midfield and forward. People say FOG is slow, so is Patracca.

Expecting the 193 kid to be our number 1 KPF is stupid

 

[conVINCEd]

Agreed

He is an ideal 2nd or 3rd forward but has enormous potential to play more of a Petracca role running midfield and forward. People say FOG is slow, so is Patracca.

Expecting the 193 kid to be our number 1 KPF is stupid

Like Jack Riewoldt at 193cm as Richmond’s only tall forward in their 2017 Premiership side?

We do need to sort out what we’re doing with him, though. I think Walker actually detracts from him.

 

[Bay62]

Like Jack Riewoldt at 193cm as Richmond’s only tall forward in their 2017 Premiership side?

We do need to sort out what we’re doing with him, though. I think Walker actually detracts from him.

Agreed, they are too much alike. My feeling is that Fog plays better without Walker there

 

[SellarStardom]

Agreed, they are too much alike. My feeling is that Fog plays better without Walker there

The thing with FOG is that he could well play as a big bodied midfielder more like Petracca than Reiwoldt, stint up forward and in the midfielder.

My concern is the club, as per usual, will pigeon hole in that role and say "we have that covered" rather than going out and finding key forwards and allowing him to play the Petracca role

 

[CrowBloke]

Mutineer said: " My guess is "boomers" would be quite a sizeable minority on the Adelaide board and indeed Big Footy in general....And I doubt the majority of posters that are "shatting" on Tex and other Crows players fall into the boomer category. "
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Boomer is maybe an exaggeration, but the 45+ segment here would be pretty large.

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Yep. Board is rife with geezers.

... and that's a bad thing, how/why please?
I'm a 'boomer', 45+, probably qualify as a "geezer", can certainly be a Grumpy old fart (just ask my friends! ) , but have never dumped on Tex whom I've always loved as Captain and player. Still a playmaker, well, when the ball gets down there which is not often. I've only ever wanted him to not play when he's injured or not 100% (Sloane as well).

As for the age-thing, I used to be equally as dismissive of older people when I was younger, which I now regret.
Why?
It's unfair, for starters, to dismiss on the basis of age --- there are plenty of smart/dumb older people, and plenty of dumb/smart younger people.
Also, please be careful what you say about geezers, which warning you might only appreciate in 20/30/40+ years' time, when you are one . Then, you might one day be dismissed/reviled by those who have not yet been born and will not have even half your life experience.
That is, IF you have the good fortune to live that long, which I do hope for you all .

 

[Tex200]

The thing with FOG is that he could well play as a big bodied midfielder more like Petracca than Reiwoldt, stint up forward and in the midfielder.

My concern is the club, as per usual, will pigeon hole in that role and say "we have that covered" rather than going out and finding key forwards and allowing him to play the Petracca role

I think Fog is a very natural lead up forward. He should be fine given time and continuity. He’s only had 18 games, and none in a decent block.

Himmers the same - just 12 games. These 2 playing a difficult position to a poor midfield.

People wanting patience on Jones yet want Himmers delisted after 12 games when he plays are far more difficult role.

I agree though that it’s hard to justify all of Tex, Fog, Himmers and Lynch in the forward 50.

 

[Vader]

I think Fog is a very natural lead up forward. He should be fine given time and continuity. He’s only had 18 games, and none in a decent block.

Himmers the same - just 12 games. These 2 playing a difficult position to a poor midfield.

People wanting patience on Jones yet want Himmers delisted after 12 games when he plays are far more difficult role.

I agree though that it’s hard to justify all of Tex, Fog, Himmers and Lynch in the forward 50.

I think Fog's biggest problem is Matt Hass. Fog just isn't fit enough to be playing at AFL level, and is several kilograms overweight. Those problems would be relatively easily fixed if we had a competent Fitness Manager... but we have Hass.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

I think Fog's biggest problem is Matt Hass. Fog just isn't fit enough to be playing at AFL level, and is several kilograms overweight. Those problems would be relatively easily fixed if we had a competent Fitness Manager... but we have Hass.

With you and that applies to most of our players. MCrouch is inherently slow but a good accumulator. I think under a good fitness regime he would return to his 2017 form as would a few others.

 

[Vader]

With you and that applies to most of our players. MCrouch is inherently slow but a good accumulator. I think under a good fitness regime he would return to his 2017 form as would a few others.

I think it goes double for Fog, as he arrived after Hass, and has thus never had a competent Fitness Manager to work with for his entire AFL career. At least Mrouch had worked with a competent Fitness guy, and had a moderately decent fitness base, before Hass arrived and started swinging the wrecking ball through players' careers.

 

[Mutineer]

I think it goes double for Fog, as he arrived after Hass, and has thus never had a competent Fitness Manager to work with for his entire AFL career. At least Mrouch had worked with a competent Fitness guy, and had a moderately decent fitness base, before Hass arrived and started swinging the wrecking ball through players' careers.

Wonder if we could entice this bloke back across the road?

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"He is unbelievable in getting people not only fit, but motivated to be fit and stay fit and be healthy," said Agar. "He struck a note with me over a couple of chats and it really kicked me into gear to get fitter, to get moving, and luckily I have.


"He used the example of if you have a backpack and you put some extra weight in it, how much harder it is to run for a long period of time?

"In four-day cricket you're carrying that extra weight for so much longer. You can get away with it in T20 and one-day cricket but in four-day cricket it just gets you.


"He worked me hard – he makes you want to work hard because of the praise he gives you when you do work hard. We're getting paid a lot of money to do what we love and we almost owe it to the game and ourselves to be in the best condition we can be."

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Wonder if we could entice this bloke back across the road?

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South Australia bowler Wes Agar has transformed into a lean, mean, wicket-taking machine this summer…

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"He is unbelievable in getting people not only fit, but motivated to be fit and stay fit and be healthy," said Agar. "He struck a note with me over a couple of chats and it really kicked me into gear to get fitter, to get moving, and luckily I have.


"He used the example of if you have a backpack and you put some extra weight in it, how much harder it is to run for a long period of time?

"In four-day cricket you're carrying that extra weight for so much longer. You can get away with it in T20 and one-day cricket but in four-day cricket it just gets you.


"He worked me hard – he makes you want to work hard because of the praise he gives you when you do work hard. We're getting paid a lot of money to do what we love and we almost owe it to the game and ourselves to be in the best condition we can be."

We lost loyal & competent club men like Schwerdt & Bode... & replaced then with Birdbrain's clowns.

We need to bring in quality fitness staff to prepare for next season as we are the most unfit side in the AFL & it's embarrassing.

We easily have the worst football department & it shows.

Need to bring in the right supports to nurture young talent.

 

[CrowBloke]

(Drugs Are Bad Mackay? maybe this belongs in the Hass thread, started by Scorpus, but Vader's post is here. If so, please move?)

I think Fog's biggest problem is Matt Hass. Fog just isn't fit enough to be playing at AFL level, and is several kilograms overweight. Those problems would be relatively easily fixed if we had a competent Fitness Manager... but we have Hass.

*taking a deep breath* ... OK, I have been vitriolic in my criticism of Hass and have called for his dismissal many times since the "hamstring awareness" issues. However, since about March I have been keeping back relevant mitigating information which might be in his favour.
Why?
Well, it doesn't suit my criticism of Hass. Also, it comes from a private conversation and could be dismissed as hearsay, you know, "I know someone who said ...".
In March this year, I was treated for a double-muscle glute tear, R side, near the hip. The bloke who treated me is highly qualified and regarded, with connections to the Crows and knows Hass, himself. We got to talking about "THE review", Pyke's resignation, Burton, and I started to rail against Hass and calling for his dismissal. This bloke defended Hass stoutly, seriously, without outrage, calmly. He said much has happened behind closed doors that people do not know about, saying that Hass was a talented professional and not to blame. I asked, but he would not elaborate.
OK, that might be a mate defending a mate, and I pretty much dismissed it as such, but here's the thing.
What if he's right?
I do not know enough about the machinations of the Crows fitness regime, but what if it's not Hass? I keep wondering why he's still there, if he is as incompetent as I think. What if he's actually doing his best against forces beyond his control? I've thought about that, a lot. The possibility occurred to me today that Fitness Staff and Coaches can only do so much, after which it really is up to the players.
Maybe it's the players and their attitudes to training/fitness ...??
Perhaps they are being directed (at training, in the gym) but are just not doing enough work on their own time to lift themselves to the level/s required ...? Look at Mackay --- I was a fan, now not --- and say what I/you like but Mackay's problems are not fitness. He runs all day, just not to great effect/impact. Look at Keays who has had over 18 months since his last serious pre-season with Brisbane 2018/2019 --- his issue is not fitness, either. The break caused by C-19 has not diminished Keays' fitness. Talia, Doedee, Laird, Smithers, Seedsman, RoB all seem to have fitness that sees them through a game.
If it's not Hass, if those players are AFL-fit, why are the others not? and that comes down to player attitude/will/intent. Where does the Club's responsibilty for player fitness end, and the players' responsibility begin? With the C-19 break, they all had the chance to work on their fitness and I don't mean match-fitness, of course. Several of them did not, I'd say, and are clearly not AFL-fit, not running out games, and I have been quick to blame Hass.

Maybe I'm wrong; just sayin.

 

[Vader]

(Drugs Are Bad Mackay? maybe this belongs in the Hass thread, started by Scorpus, but Vader's post is here. If so, please move?)

*taking a deep breath* ... OK, I have been vitriolic in my criticism of Hass and have called for his dismissal many times since the "hamstring awareness" issues. However, since about March I have been keeping back relevant mitigating information which might be in his favour.
Why?
Well, it doesn't suit my criticism of Hass. Also, it comes from a private conversation and could be dismissed as hearsay, you know, "I know someone who said ...".
In March this year, I was treated for a double-muscle glute tear, R side, near the hip. The bloke who treated me is highly qualified and regarded, with connections to the Crows and knows Hass, himself. We got to talking about "THE review", Pyke's resignation, Burton, and I started to rail against Hass and calling for his dismissal. This bloke defended Hass stoutly, seriously, without outrage, calmly. He said much has happened behind closed doors that people do not know about, saying that Hass was a talented professional and not to blame. I asked, but he would not elaborate.
OK, that might be a mate defending a mate, and I pretty much dismissed it as such, but here's the thing.
What if he's right?
I do not know enough about the machinations of the Crows fitness regime, but what if it's not Hass? I keep wondering why he's still there, if he is as incompetent as I think. What if he's actually doing his best against forces beyond his control? I've thought about that, a lot. The possibility occurred to me today that Fitness Staff and Coaches can only do so much, after which it really is up to the players.
Maybe it's the players and their attitudes to training/fitness ...??
Perhaps they are being directed (at training, in the gym) but are just not doing enough work on their own time to lift themselves to the level/s required ...? Look at Mackay --- I was a fan, now not --- and say what I/you like but Mackay's problems are not fitness. He runs all day, just not to great effect/impact. Look at Keays who has had over 18 months since his last serious pre-season with Brisbane 2018/2019 --- his issue is not fitness, either. The break caused by C-19 has not diminished Keays' fitness. Talia, Doedee, Laird, Smithers, Seedsman, RoB all seem to have fitness that sees them through a game.
If it's not Hass, if those players are AFL-fit, why are the others not? and that comes down to player attitude/will/intent. Where does the Club's responsibilty for player fitness end, and the players' responsibility begin? With the C-19 break, they all had the chance to work on their fitness and I don't mean match-fitness, of course. Several of them did not, I'd say, and are clearly not AFL-fit, not running out games, and I have been quick to blame Hass.

Maybe I'm wrong; just sayin.

Every one of the players you named were able to build a solid base & learn good fitness habits under competent fitness staff. They are also highly motivated to do the work required to maintain that fitness level. The likes of Talia, Laird, Smith & Mackay are extremely professional in the way they prepare their bodies and maintain their fitness.

Players who aren't as well motivated (e.g. Tex & Mrouch) and those who didn't have that pre-Hass fitness base (e.g. Fog) are screwed. Yes, the senior players should be motivated, but guess what - they're human, and some of them need to be driven and directed to achieve, and Hass just isn't up to the task. You just know that Tex & Mrouch are going to have bodies like Darren Jarman & Billy Brownless as soon as they retire.

Basically, those who are super professional - well motivated and well trained in maintaining their fitness - are fine, everyone else is stuffed.

 

[Golumless]

I actually
(Drugs Are Bad Mackay? maybe this belongs in the Hass thread, started by Scorpus, but Vader's post is here. If so, please move?)

*taking a deep breath* ... OK, I have been vitriolic in my criticism of Hass and have called for his dismissal many times since the "hamstring awareness" issues. However, since about March I have been keeping back relevant mitigating information which might be in his favour.
Why?
Well, it doesn't suit my criticism of Hass. Also, it comes from a private conversation and could be dismissed as hearsay, you know, "I know someone who said ...".
In March this year, I was treated for a double-muscle glute tear, R side, near the hip. The bloke who treated me is highly qualified and regarded, with connections to the Crows and knows Hass, himself. We got to talking about "THE review", Pyke's resignation, Burton, and I started to rail against Hass and calling for his dismissal. This bloke defended Hass stoutly, seriously, without outrage, calmly. He said much has happened behind closed doors that people do not know about, saying that Hass was a talented professional and not to blame. I asked, but he would not elaborate.
OK, that might be a mate defending a mate, and I pretty much dismissed it as such, but here's the thing.
What if he's right?
I do not know enough about the machinations of the Crows fitness regime, but what if it's not Hass? I keep wondering why he's still there, if he is as incompetent as I think. What if he's actually doing his best against forces beyond his control? I've thought about that, a lot. The possibility occurred to me today that Fitness Staff and Coaches can only do so much, after which it really is up to the players.
Maybe it's the players and their attitudes to training/fitness ...??
Perhaps they are being directed (at training, in the gym) but are just not doing enough work on their own time to lift themselves to the level/s required ...? Look at Mackay --- I was a fan, now not --- and say what I/you like but Mackay's problems are not fitness. He runs all day, just not to great effect/impact. Look at Keays who has had over 18 months since his last serious pre-season with Brisbane 2018/2019 --- his issue is not fitness, either. The break caused by C-19 has not diminished Keays' fitness. Talia, Doedee, Laird, Smithers, Seedsman, RoB all seem to have fitness that sees them through a game.
If it's not Hass, if those players are AFL-fit, why are the others not? and that comes down to player attitude/will/intent. Where does the Club's responsibilty for player fitness end, and the players' responsibility begin? With the C-19 break, they all had the chance to work on their fitness and I don't mean match-fitness, of course. Several of them did not, I'd say, and are clearly not AFL-fit, not running out games, and I have been quick to blame Hass.

Maybe I'm wrong; just sayin.

I doubt it. If it was someone with a track record of success (a Walker or the dude that was at Port a while back), I'd be pliable. When the guy is at a failed fitness regime in Brisbane and Adelaide erosion of fitness coincides with the person arriving at the club... well all signs point to the problem.

If it's one or two players, then sure its random players not having the drive. Half a side and its systemic and the program is at fault. In the end, all that matters is results and right now they have been atrocious for Matt.

 

[Bay62]

The thing with FOG is that he could well play as a big bodied midfielder more like Petracca than Reiwoldt, stint up forward and in the midfielder.

My concern is the club, as per usual, will pigeon hole in that role and say "we have that covered" rather than going out and finding key forwards and allowing him to play the Petracca role

I always thought we should try JJ as a mid. Huge body, quick and fairly creative

Too late for him but maybe not for Fog

 

[Bay62]

Wonder if we could entice this bloke back across the road?

Agar following in footsteps of greatness in breakout summer | cricket.com.au

South Australia bowler Wes Agar has transformed into a lean, mean, wicket-taking machine this summer…

www.cricket.com.au

"He is unbelievable in getting people not only fit, but motivated to be fit and stay fit and be healthy," said Agar. "He struck a note with me over a couple of chats and it really kicked me into gear to get fitter, to get moving, and luckily I have.


"He used the example of if you have a backpack and you put some extra weight in it, how much harder it is to run for a long period of time?

"In four-day cricket you're carrying that extra weight for so much longer. You can get away with it in T20 and one-day cricket but in four-day cricket it just gets you.


"He worked me hard – he makes you want to work hard because of the praise he gives you when you do work hard. We're getting paid a lot of money to do what we love and we almost owe it to the game and ourselves to be in the best condition we can be."

OK so here’s the deal

Schwerdt stays with the Redbacks this year so they can win the Shield

Then he comes to the Crows for next year and we start our climb back up the ladder

Simple really

 

[Thetrader15]

Like Jack Riewoldt at 193cm as Richmond’s only tall forward in their 2017 Premiership side?

We do need to sort out what we’re doing with him, though. I think Walker actually detracts from him.

The thing is that Fog doesn't lead anywhere near enough.

Though maybe his coach has taught him not to lead.

I haven't seen too many forwards come on under Ben's tutorship.

 

[Mutineer]

Every one of the players you named were able to build a solid base & learn good fitness habits under competent fitness staff. They are also highly motivated to do the work required to maintain that fitness level. The likes of Talia, Laird, Smith & Mackay are extremely professional in the way they prepare their bodies and maintain their fitness.

Players who aren't as well motivated (e.g. Tex & Mrouch) and those who didn't have that pre-Hass fitness base (e.g. Fog) are screwed. Yes, the senior players should be motivated, but guess what - they're human, and some of them need to be driven and directed to achieve, and Hass just isn't up to the task. You just know that Tex & Mrouch are going to have bodies like Darren Jarman & Billy Brownless as soon as they retire.

Basically, those who are super professional - well motivated and well trained in maintaining their fitness - are fine, everyone else is stuffed.

Honestly how do you know who's motivated and who's not?

Talk about Vader bullshit.

The Crouch's father Phil's background is physical education, taught PE just up the road aways at Beaufort Secondary College for over 20 years and is still built like a brick outhouse, a very handy country sportsman himself as well as coaching the local footy team the Beaufort Crows for a long stretch, I think he's still involved in their list management. I really doubt either of the Crouch boys will go to seed like Darren Jarman given their sporting pursuits outside of football.

Just on Darren I used to see him regularly at the Angle Park greyhounds on thursday nights when he was playing for North Adelaide and it was common to see him with a chiko roll and a can of coke in his hand along with a fist full of betting tickets....that's probably the only thing the Crouch boys have in common with Darren off the playing field, they love a punt.