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[jackster83]

Surely that's the classic definition of a fairweather supporter?

C'mon Jen. We're an irrational, bipolar, sometimes emotionally unhinged bunch on here, but none of us are fair-weather supporters.

 

[Cap]

So why is he an emergency?

They don't want to play him, sounds like they will if injury. Shows how light on we are for KPD though.

Not saying i agree with their strategy either.

 

[Geoffa32]

Home Ground Advantage doesn't make it impossible to bottom out. Freo had seasons with less than 4 wins in the late-90s. It can be done, if your list is bad enough, and there's a solid determination to rebuild completely.

That said, this is not the year to be bottoming out, as our draft position is no longer relevant to our draft position.

Our team has failed on the big stage due to a lack of elite talent... and the reason we don't have elite talent is because we've never finished at the bottom of the ladder (and when we did, we traded that pick to North Melbourne for a player who was past his use-by date).

So how do we bottom out without tanking?

For most of their history Freo have been a rabble. As have Brisbane and GC. Even Port as bad as they have been since GF day 2007 have barely finished bottom four.


WCE dropped down the ladder, to get NicNat.

Unless our list gets as bad as Gold Coast right now it is hard to finish bottom four.

11 games at AO against interstate sides is pretty much 7 to 8 wins in the bank. That ain't getting you bottom 4.

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[OzSparrow]

So how do we bottom out without tanking?

For most of their history Freo have been a rabble. As have Brisbane and GC. Even Port as bad as they have been since GF day 2007 have barely finished bottom four.


WCE dropped down the ladder, to get NicNat.

Unless our list gets as bad as Gold Coast right now it is hard to finish bottom four.

11 games at AO against interstate sides is pretty much 7 to 8 wins in the bank. That ain't getting you bottom 4.

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If this current mob doesn't pull their collective fingers out and start playing 4 quarters of footy I see us bottoming out next year.

Our home ground fortress is looking mighty leaky.

 

[Tex200]

So how do we bottom out without tanking?

For most of their history Freo have been a rabble. As have Brisbane and GC. Even Port as bad as they have been since GF day 2007 have barely finished bottom four.


WCE dropped down the ladder, to get NicNat.

Unless our list gets as bad as Gold Coast right now it is hard to finish bottom four.

11 games at AO against interstate sides is pretty much 7 to 8 wins in the bank. That ain't getting you bottom 4.

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We’re 4-5 there this year with a supposedly good, injury free list.

With Saints and Pies to come I think at best we get 5 wins at home

 

[Glenno23]

I don't see how we'd be any worse on the ladder had we have played more games with the likes of Jones, McHenry (when he wasn't injured) Fog, Stengle etc.

I don't think anyone would have any problems with our performances as a young and inexperienced team. The issue here is we played our 4th oldest EVER team vs Bombers last week and still dished up that SHIT

And the answer those in charge have? A 32yo who is slower than most on our list (through no fault of his own) as well as 2 others who seem to be in reasonable form

There just seems to be a clear lack of forward thinking and it's been this way for a while and i reckon a lot of us have had a gut full

 

[Vader]

So how do we bottom out without tanking?

For most of their history Freo have been a rabble. As have Brisbane and GC. Even Port as bad as they have been since GF day 2007 have barely finished bottom four.


WCE dropped down the ladder, to get NicNat.

Unless our list gets as bad as Gold Coast right now it is hard to finish bottom four.

11 games at AO against interstate sides is pretty much 7 to 8 wins in the bank. That ain't getting you bottom 4.

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We emulate West Coast, who have had spells at the bottom of the ladder from time to time. From 2008-10 they finished 15th, 11th, 17th. In 2000 & 2001 they finished 13th & 14th. Nobody would describe West Coast as a rabble.

We need to accept that this is part of the cycle of success, rather than our current policy which enforces mediocrity. By staying mid-table we're not getting the draft picks good enough to gain the truly elite talent, necessary for a prolonged period at the very top. Nor are we ever bad enough to actually drop down, where the elite draft picks are to be found.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

They don't want to play him, sounds like they will if injury. Shows how light on we are for KPD though.

Not saying i agree with their strategy either.

But we are not light on KPD's - we already have 1 too many in the side!

Ridiculous...

 

[Mike Smyth]

If poeple think Tex is injured he has been for a long, long time. About 2 years I reckon. He's finished.

 

[Geoffa32]

We emulate West Coast, who have had spells at the bottom of the ladder from time to time. From 2008-10 they finished 15th, 11th, 17th. In 2000 & 2001 they finished 13th & 14th. Nobody would describe West Coast as a rabble.

We need to accept that this is part of the cycle of success, rather than our current policy which enforces mediocrity. By staying mid-table we're not getting the draft picks good enough to gain the truly elite talent, necessary for a prolonged period at the very top. Nor are we ever bad enough to actually drop down, where the elite draft picks are to be found.

Been nearly 10 years since they finished bottom 4.

A result many would say they manipulated a few times.


I would be surprised if they finished that low again given the scrutiny on tanking today.


Also think the boom bust cycle of finishing bottom four for picks is not relevant now with future pick trading and the points system for F/S and Academy players as this facilitates pick trading.

What you need is more creativity during trade week.

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[Geoffa32]

We’re 4-5 there this year with a supposedly good, injury free list.

With Saints and Pies to come I think at best we get 5 wins at home

Yep fair point. It can be done.

Just need to lose more road games against other collar dwellers.

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[Scorpus]

Been nearly 10 years since they finished bottom 4.

A result many would say they manipulated a few times.


I would be surprised if they finished that low again given the scrutiny on tanking today.


Also think the boom bust cycle of finishing bottom four for picks is not relevant now with future pick trading and the points system for F/S and Academy players as this facilitates pick trading.

What you need is more creativity during trade week.

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Claiming West Coast tanked is a bit unfair to them.

They had peaked in 2005-06 when they made two GFs and won one. They had an experienced list. Key players like Cousins, Chick, Braun, Banfield, Wirrpanda and Stenglein were just about done and Judd wanted to go home shortly after. A number of their other periphery players fell away too.

With all those players they basically had seven 200 gamers finish up around the same time. So they rebuilt the list.

 

[Deaneus!]

He wasn't named in the SANFL side so I figure they just put his name down.

First i read this as "He wasn't named in the SANFL side so I figure they just put him name." and thought, that's a bit drastic

For most of their history Freo have been a rabble. As have Brisbane and GC. Even Port as bad as they have been since GF day 2007 have barely finished bottom four.

Brisbane, who won 3 GFs in a row and came second to Port the year after?

 

[Vader]

Claiming West Coast tanked is a bit unfair to them.

They had peaked in 2005-06 when they made two GFs and won one. They had an experienced list. Key players like Cousins, Chick, Braun, Banfield, Wirrpanda and Stenglein were just about done and Judd wanted to go home shortly after. A number of their other periphery players fell away too.

With all those players they basically had seven 200 gamers finish up around the same time. So they rebuilt the list.

Adelaide has 7 players currently aged 30+ (Jenkins, Gibbs, Mackay, Otten, Betts, Jacobs, Douglas), and 3 more who are 29 (Sloane, Tex, plus Lynch who turns 29 in September). We're headed for a period with a very similar turnover.

Our situation now is slightly better than the one Craig inherited from Ayres, where Fungus Watts was the only teenager on the entire list. Craig truly did inherit a veritable Dad's Army. We failed to take true advantage of the mass retirements back then. It would be a shame to miss out again this time around.

 

[Scorpus]

Adelaide has 7 players currently aged 30+ (Jenkins, Gibbs, Mackay, Otten, Betts, Jacobs, Douglas), and 3 more who are 29 (Sloane, Tex, plus Lynch who turns 29 in September). We're headed for a period with a very similar turnover.

Our situation now is slightly better than the one Craig inherited from Ayres, where Fungus Watts was the only teenager on the entire list. Craig truly did inherit a veritable Dad's Army. We failed to take true advantage of the mass retirements back then. It would be a shame to miss out again this time around.

Yep and you can bet nearly all of those guys will be gone over a three year period like with West Coast. This year I would expect 3-5 to be moved on to start with.

Unlike West Coast we have the benefit of already holding a very high pick this year without even beginning our rebuild yet. We also have a number of players who theoretically should be ready to step up, given we had 5 first round picks not playing AFL on the weekend.

We are absolutely primed for a rebuild, the question is do we press the trigger?

 

[hey shorty]

First i read this as "He wasn't named in the SANFL side so I figure they just put him name." and thought, that's a bit drastic



Brisbane, who won 3 GFs in a row and came second to Port the year after?

I reckon Keath is one of those "He will play if we have to" but I'd guess he won't be on the plane.

 

[Geoffa32]

First i read this as "He wasn't named in the SANFL side so I figure they just put him name." and thought, that's a bit drastic



Brisbane, who won 3 GFs in a row and came second to Port the year after?

Four good years since 1988?
Most of the 90s and since 2006 they have been rubbish.

Good to see them back up though.

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[hey shorty]

Four good years since 1988?
Most of the 90s and since 2006 they have been rubbish.

Good to see them back up though.

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They had a leg up during their peak years too.

 

[Geoffa32]

Yep and you can bet nearly all of those guys will be gone over a three year period like with West Coast. This year I would expect 3-5 to be moved on to start with.

Unlike West Coast we have the benefit of already holding a very high pick this year without even beginning our rebuild yet. We also have a number of players who theoretically should be ready to step up, given we had 5 first round picks not playing AFL on the weekend.

We are absolutely primed for a rebuild, the question is do we press the trigger?

If it was me guys like Gibbs ( cut our loss) Jacobs Mackay and Dougie would be retired/delisted end of this year.

Eddie stay on for 2020.

Possibly keep Otten

Trade out Greenwood, he is at peak value now and keep CEY

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[Deaneus!]

They had a leg up during their peak years too.

Pretty much every premiership back to our back-to-back has an asterix that can explain why they got where they did

 

[Murray2503]

Yep and you can bet nearly all of those guys will be gone over a three year period like with West Coast. This year I would expect 3-5 to be moved on to start with.

Unlike West Coast we have the benefit of already holding a very high pick this year without even beginning our rebuild yet. We also have a number of players who theoretically should be ready to step up, given we had 5 first round picks not playing AFL on the weekend.

We are absolutely primed for a rebuild, the question is do we press the trigger?

That's not the question. We have no other option but to rebuild. The question is: Is Pyke and Co the right people to quickly develop a young group how to play football the right way. I highly doubt it.

 

[CrowinNT]

Hoping at least Douglas is on the plane ( in addition to Fog )
That way we can put Gooch/Jones in the SANFL middle

 

[Scorpus]

If it was me guys like Gibbs ( cut our loss) Jacobs Mackay and Dougie would be retired/delisted end of this year.

Eddie stay on for 2020.

Possibly keep Otten

Trade out Greenwood, he is at peak value now and keep CEY

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I'd be looking to do a trade similar to Deledio to GWS with one of our players.

Get a senior guy out to either a rebuilding side or a flag contender in exchange for a first round pick

 

[hey shorty]

That's not the question. We have no other option but to rebuild. The question is: Is Pyke and Co the right prople to quickly develop a young group how to play football the right way. I highly doubt it.

You back him in to do it or you sack him when the season ends.

 

[Scorpus]

That's not the question. We have no other option but to rebuild. The question is: Is Pyke and Co the right prople to quickly develop a young group how to play football the right way. I highly doubt it.

Well there is another option.

We retain Jacobs, Douglas and Mackay for another year. We retain everyone and go in with a largely unchanged senior side again, delaying the rebuild, ensuring we finish mid table while the older players we should be trading out in a rebuild lose value