Unofficial Preview Changes round 14 vs Adelaide

[Foxman98]

Baker in for McNeill.

That is all.

Did you watch the VFL?

 

[Philthy1]

Luke Kennedy laid 15 tackles in the VFL and Bevo mentioned him in a presser recently about getting a call up.

Kennedy in for McNeil.

Libba in for Treloar.

 

[lachy]

Did you watch the VFL?

Obviously with dark glasses

 

[Werewolf]

Suppose the Hawks hadn't burnt so many chances after HT and we suffered a narrow loss, who would we drop?

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Suppose the Hawks hadn't burnt so many chances after HT and we suffered a narrow loss, who would we drop?

The entire team

 

[iambrilliant]

Would love to get bus in somehow . Wonder if we would look at sending Buku forward and keeping Croft on the wing to open a spot for him

 

[iambrilliant]

I think the thing is with treloar he adds much needed experience and leadership which we’ve lacked in a few of the blowouts this year with so many young inexperienced players running around

 

[Foxman98]

Would love to get bus in somehow . Wonder if we would look at sending Buku forward and keeping Croft on the wing to open a spot for him

So we would have a forwardline then of Buku Lewis Naughty Lobb?

Again we have to be ruthless here Buku is a depth player playing his role well enough however Buss is the future and the now it sucks Buku doesn't "deserve" it but thats top level football

 

[doggiesin08]

Re Treloar, we all know he is an all Australian midfielder but calf injuries have let him down. If he can stay in shape over next couple of weeks he will get very close back to his best again. Let’s be patient before writing him off. I think he deserves a chance.

What makes you think his ability to sprint will come back over the next 2 weeks?

 

[iambrilliant]

So we would have a forwardline then of Buku Lewis Naughty Lobb?

Again we have to be ruthless here Buku is a depth player playing his role well enough however Buss is the future and the now it sucks Buku doesn't "deserve" it but thats top level football

Lobb could be a utility rotating between backline ruck and forward line . I know it’s probably too much height but don’t think buku deserves to be dropped

 

[Afro_dog]

Which ones Buku taking? We saw 2 years ago what Fogarty did to him

He’s got no hope on either 200cm+ bloke

Your Buku agenda is tiring. Ok you don't rate him. Going back to a performance from 2 years ago is funny particularly given we played against them at Adelaide Oval 6 weeks ago.

Whether you like it or not, Buku has improved. He is a better 3rd defender than Coff. He is more athletic, generates more intercepts, and can influence more marking contests when he is 3rd man up.

At the end of the day, neither of them should be dropped after Friday night. If Buss comes in we go in taller, otherwise he will wait another week. Changing winning team after that win seems unnecessary.

 

[Sharkey66]

So we would have a forwardline then of Buku Lewis Naughty Lobb?

Again we have to be ruthless here Buku is a depth player playing his role well enough however Buss is the future and the now it sucks Buku doesn't "deserve" it but thats top level football

I agree very much with this , but is this also the view of Bevo and the coaches and selectors?
Been many reports that the coaches just don't rate Buss, and selection would seem to back that up with playing a very much undersized Buku over him
Would appreciate any insight from the ITK on this board as to how Buss is rated internally.

 

[doggiesin08]

Your Buku agenda is tiring. Ok you don't rate him. Going back to a performance from 2 years ago is funny particularly given we played against them at Adelaide Oval 6 weeks ago.

Whether you like it or not, Buku has improved. He is a better 3rd defender than Coff. He is more athletic, generates more intercepts, and can influence more marking contests when he is 3rd man up.

At the end of the day, neither of them should be dropped after Friday night. If Buss comes in we go in taller, otherwise he will wait another week. Changing winning team after that win seems unnecessary.

I think Buku is better as a 3rd defender, but Coffield is better at playing as an undersized no. 1/2 defender. Against Freo for example I thought Coffield was pretty good on Treacy even though he had 6 shots, whereas I don’t think Buku is suited to that role.

The relevance for this week is who is better suited for Fogarty who regularly plays well against us.

 

[iamthehunter]

What makes you think his ability to sprint will come back over the next 2 weeks?

It may or may not. I just think he deserves a chance to show if he can over the next few weeks.

If he does get it back it would be a big bonus for the team

 

[Foxman98]

Your Buku agenda is tiring. Ok you don't rate him. Going back to a performance from 2 years ago is funny particularly given we played against them at Adelaide Oval 6 weeks ago.

Whether you like it or not, Buku has improved. He is a better 3rd defender than Coff. He is more athletic, generates more intercepts, and can influence more marking contests when he is 3rd man up.

At the end of the day, neither of them should be dropped after Friday night. If Buss comes in we go in taller, otherwise he will wait another week. Changing winning team after that win seems unnecessary.

What agenda?

I have said he is a solid depth player who would be unlucky to be dropped

The relevance of 2 years ago is the fact he still can't defend a genuine tall 1 on 1 which is what he will have to do

He averages 1.5 intercept marks a game this year Coffield averages 1.8 so no he doesn't

We won by 6 points and were dreadful in the first half so the notion that we should better our team because someone will be unlucky to be dropped is U9s level selection not AFL

 

[bobs head soup]

Who would've thought 8 weeks ago we'd be agonizing over how to squeeze in all of our taller defenders.

 

[doggiesin08]

It may or may not. I just think he deserves a chance to show if he can over the next few weeks.

If he does get it back it would be a big bonus for the team

But the starting premise of your post was that he will get back very close to his best over the next couple of weeks. That requires him getting back the ability to run at 100%, and now you’ve said that may or may not happen.

If he can run at 100% he’s a top 10 player, but if he can’t he’s a defensive liability. He should be able to prove at VFL level whether he can go full tilt or not, and I don’t think we should be leaving out a better option while we wait and see if he can.

 

[scooter600x]

But the starting premise of your post was that he will get back very close to his best over the next couple of weeks. That requires him getting back the ability to run at 100%, and now you’ve said that may or may not happen.

If he can run at 100% he’s a top 10 player, but if he can’t he’s a defensive liability. He should be able to prove at VFL level whether he can go full tilt or not, and I don’t think we should be leaving out a better option while we wait and see if he can.

He has a GPS strapped to his back, they know if he’s covering the ground better or not

 

[doggiesin08]

He has a GPS strapped to his back, they know if he’s covering the ground better or not

I’m aware players wear GPS, but not sure what point this is making or countering?

The eye test says he’s not moving with anywhere near his prior pace in either attacking or defensive phases, despite having the lowest ToG in each of the last 3 weeks. If the GPS data says differently then fair enough, but absent having that data we can only go on what we see.

 

[TiAn_]

What agenda?

I have said he is a solid depth player who would be unlucky to be dropped

The relevance of 2 years ago is the fact he still can't defend a genuine tall 1 on 1 which is what he will have to do

He averages 1.5 intercept marks a game this year Coffield averages 1.8 so no he doesn't

We won by 6 points and were dreadful in the first half so the notion that we should better our team because someone will be unlucky to be dropped is U9s level selection not AFL

You do call for Buku to get dropped basically every week.

Busslinger averages half as many intercept marks as Buku despite being 3 inches taller and getting easier defensive jobs.

How exactly does dropping Buku to bring in Busslinger make us better?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Someone for McNeil. Maybe Buss for Buku.

We can agonise over who it is until the cows come home... but we all know deep down the 2 ins based on Bevo's comments will be L.Kennedy... and Caleb May!

We'll run with English and May rucking, and Lobb plugging holes wherever he's (NOT his! ) required.

Will it be like Mars years ago, where there were 3 guys in the team who could ruck, and Bevo had Dunkley contest a CB?!

Crazy Bevo is always just beneath the surface, waiting for a chance to bamboozle everyone!

 

[Libba39]

Did you watch the VFL?

I am just going purely on what he can do, and that he's probably ahead of Gallagher.

You have suggested dropping Buku mate seriously you have NFI. Not saying he played super but the coaches aren't dropping him any time soon.

 

[Foxman98]

You do call for Buku to get dropped basically every week.

Busslinger averages half as many intercept marks as Buku despite being 3 inches taller and getting easier defensive jobs.

How exactly does dropping Buku to bring in Busslinger make us better?

That is not true at all only the last 2 weeks since Buss is fit again

Buku also averages more then JOD who is also 3 inches taller almost as if intercept marks isn't the biggest stat to use for KP defenders

Here are the 2 main ones to look at:

1 on 1 loss percentage Buku 43.3% Buss 16.7% JOD 21.1%

Spoils Buku 5.8pg Buss 10pg JOD 7.9pg

Coff vs Buku for the 3rd tall/interceptor is the battle to be looking at and for mine and I would suggest a few in here Coffs form is currently better

 

[Foxman98]

I am just going purely on what he can do, and that he's probably ahead of Gallagher.

You have suggested dropping Buku mate seriously you have NFI. Not saying he played super but the coaches aren't dropping him any time soon.

So I have "NFI" suggesting dropping the player who is bottom 5 in the entire league in his position for 1 on 1 losses yet you know so much brining in a player who was poor in the 2s because he played a couple of good games to start the season?

 

[scratchie]

That is not true at all only the last 2 weeks since Buss is fit again

Buku also averages more then JOD who is also 3 inches taller almost as if intercept marks isn't the biggest stat to use for KP defenders

Here are the 2 main ones to look at:

1 on 1 loss percentage Buku 43.3% Buss 16.7% JOD 21.1%

Spoils Buku 5.8pg Buss 10pg JOD 7.9pg

Coff vs Buku for the 3rd tall/interceptor is the battle to be looking at and for mine and I would suggest a few in here Coffs form is currently better

Busslinger 10 spoils per game?
Well to my eye that seems like a wild mushroom episode. Can you substantiate this? 10! 10!

If that’s true I think the Buss would be an automatic selection

These are not spoils but 1%s
Which is very good and included spoils. Also appears the Bus has more clangers and turnovers. But yeah I’m a little surprised