Changes v Bombers

[Vader]

What are your thoughts on two subs? One more that can only be used if there is an injury.

Having a player who can only be substituted in the event of injury is problematic, because it means that you'll have a player who may not get to play at all in that round. This is already an issue when we play on Sundays and the SANFL team plays on Saturday, because of the need to hold back a player in case of emergencies. To have a 2nd player who doesn't get a game would be a major problem.

I don't have a problem with reducing the number of players who can be interchanged (i.e. going from 3+1 to 2+2). Historically the interchange bench existed only as a source of injury replacements. Even during our premiership years of 97 & 98 the interchange was still only used sparingly. It's only been the last decade or so where it has been used tactically, with players rotating through the interchange every few minutes. It's hard to argue that the game has improved as a result of tactical interchanging, given the flooding & clogging that occurs as a result.

We know that the substitute rule has had a high degree of success in reducing the disadvantage suffered by teams losing a single player to injury. I would be very interested to see a study done to determine the frequency with which teams lose multiple players and the degree of disadvantage that they experience as a result, given that the interchange cap also serves to limit the disadvantage.

 

[azza77]

Just found it on the SANFL channel.

Around the 24min 25sec mark. Dumb from Crouchy...

Why cant our own god damn club provide highlights like this of the SANFL side from week to week.

 

[1990crow]

No I think the balance is right now. Its very rare a team will have more than 1 injury a game.

What about if there's an early injury and a sub is made, and then another injury happens

Having a player who can only be substituted in the event of injury is problematic, because it means that you'll have a player who may not get to play at all in that round. This is already an issue when we play on Sundays and the SANFL team plays on Saturday, because of the need to hold back a player in case of emergencies. To have a 2nd player who doesn't get a game would be a major problem.

I don't have a problem with reducing the number of players who can be interchanged (i.e. going from 3+1 to 2+2). Historically the interchange bench existed only as a source of injury replacements. Even during our premiership years of 97 & 98 the interchange was still only used sparingly. It's only been the last decade or so where it has been used tactically, with players rotating through the interchange every few minutes. It's hard to argue that the game has improved as a result of tactical interchanging, given the flooding & clogging that occurs as a result.

We know that the substitute rule has had a high degree of success in reducing the disadvantage suffered by teams losing a single player to injury. I would be very interested to see a study done to determine the frequency with which teams lose multiple players and the degree of disadvantage that they experience as a result, given that the interchange cap also serves to limit the disadvantage.

I like this suggestion. Makes sure the game is even for the entirety of the game even with two injuries. Plus, teams have been using the interchange to get their players to have the ability to sprint/run hard for however long they are on the ground for. Take away this and the game will slow down a great deal and I think it would become more open with players unable to move into their defensive positions which would hopefully result in a higher scoring game which I know is pretty much what everyone wants other than the coaches.

 

[azza77]

Jenkins is one of the biggest, strongest players in our side.

I've said it a million times - when you're that big, and that strong, even if you're having a shit day and nothing is going your way, you can still impact the contest.

He doesn't - he rarely crashes packs or throws his weight around.

If he can sort that out, he'll be one of the premier forward in the competition.

Exactly. Im a huge fan of the Jenkonian and am in no way writing him off after some sub par performances, but he seriously needs to work on his ability to compete in the contest. He's having some bad games and thats to be expected, but it's his work in the contest that really has me frustrated at times. At one point in the North game someone kicked a sky ball to the goal square and Jenkins was so worried about his man, that he literally turned in a full 360 on the spot and completely missed the ball. All he had to do was hold his position and then bring the ball to ground for our on-coming runners. It was truly terrible and and a face palm moment. He's had a few more of these as well recently.

He's 100kgs FFS. All he has to do is create a legitimate contest. He's not going to in every contest, but what he really needs to do is put as much physical pressure on his opponent as possible, and force the ball to ground, rather than allowing an intercept mark and then the instant rebound.

We need to start firing this guy up more before games. Walker is so good and protecting the space where the ball will drop, he really needs to teach Jenkins a thing or 2 about that as Jenkins is significantly bigger and will be just as capable. He also needs to start going all for nothing in 2v1 and just throw himself at the contest, jump onto the shoulders of a few defenders, I dont care just do something with his enormous frame.

We just need more contests full stop. No more of this 'it's too hard attitude' when he becomes out-positioned by the slightest of margins.

 

[Crows Dynasty]

I get it that players like Truck and Pods aren't going to be part of our next premiership team, so it seems like a good idea to leave them out and get games into younger players.

However they are not just in the team because they are better or more experienced than the younger ones. They are partly there to teach the younger ones. Everyone knows that Truck is coming to the end of his career. One reason for selecting him each week - despite his slowness compared to an alternative player - is to squeeze as much knowledge and on-field coaching out of him and into the likes of Talia, Brown and Laird as quickly as possible while he is still able to.

I don't want us to finish eighth and lose in the first week either. But I can understand why they continue to play Truck despite his limitations.

They'll never admit it but in many ways we are in a transition season and of course finishing as high as possible during that time is important to teach the younger players good winning habits. It's just that it also gets us a crap draft pick.

To make the 8 and get some finals experience into our youngsters would be gold. And it could become 2 finals games , as the likelihood is that we would get to play the Kangaroos - who must be dreading playing us and would shudder at the thought of Kerridge kicking a goal with his every kick!

Play the team that will get us to make the finals, and we gain finals experience at the very worst. Perhaps play Hartigan for a run of some of our easier games - but lets do everything we can to sure up our position first.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

In - Jet
Out - Martin.

 

[mcday]

Why cant our own god damn club provide highlights like this of the SANFL side from week to week.

They do provide highlights, every single week. I just assume putting up a video of Crouch getting reported wasn't a priority, since, you know, it isn't exactly a highlight.

 

[azza77]

They do provide highlights, every single week. I just assume putting up a video of Crouch getting reported wasn't a priority, since, you know, it isn't exactly a highlight.

A 90 second video of a few passages of play is hardly highlights. Would love to see extended highlights every week considering this is our own reserve side now.

 

[Jack is Back]

To make the 8 and get some finals experience into our youngsters would be gold. And it could become 2 finals games , as the likelihood is that we would get to play the Kangaroos - who must be dreading playing us and would shudder at the thought of Kerridge kicking a goal with his every kick!

Play the team that will get us to make the finals, and we gain finals experience at the very worst. Perhaps play Hartigan for a run of some of our easier games - but lets do everything we can to sure up our position first.

I have the impression that you weren't around in 1991 to watch the Crows.

Winning flags is all that matters. We are facing our 16th straight year as a failure.

"The Adelaide Football Club, we love to be ordinary"

 

[Kraven]

Could we possibly go unchanged?

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Could we possibly go unchanged?

Cameron would surely return if fit?

He's part of the best 22, though he needs to keep performing or he could get squeezed out if it comes down to a choice between he and Wright in coming weeks.

We need to stagger the inclusions to not risk 4 potentially underdone blokes all at once.

This week Cameron, then Crouch and Lynch, followed by Hendo after that. It's possible Crouch's indiscretion may have pushed both he and Hendo back a week.

 

[Bailey01]

Could we possibly go unchanged?

Charlie in for Martin is improving the team

 

[Amato]

Could we possibly go unchanged?

Cameron will be over his groin complaint and Matt Crouch just couldn't get near it. M. Crouch should come out and it will be a head to head with Cameron and Martin to avoid the sub.

 

[Bailey01]

Cameron will be over his groin complaint and Matt Crouch just couldn't get near it. M. Crouch should come out and it will be a head to head with Cameron and Martin to avoid the sub.

Leave Matt in and drop Martin

 

[Crows Dynasty]

I have the impression that you weren't around in 1991 to watch the Crows.

Winning flags is all that matters. We are facing our 16th straight year as a failure.

"The Adelaide Football Club, we love to be ordinary"

I've been there for the whole journey. I know that occasionally some clubs will jag a premiership from nowhere. But conventional wisdom says get the players finals experience and they become hardened for future tilts at the flag. So it is half a doz of one or 6 of the other. Do we
a.. not play Pods, and Rutten, risk not making finals, get a slightly better draft order, so that Harto and 3rd tall will be better in 2015 (a few more games under their belt), and possibly make finals next year and crash out for lack of finals experience, or
b... play Pods and Rutten for most of season, possibly jag a final and a slim chance to go deep into finals, ('97) (gaining finals experience for 22 players) and have a better chance in finals series the following year, (with 2 less experienced players in the squad in 2015 being Harto and 3rd tall).
c... other options.

I chose option b. You sound like you chose option a. Each to their own.
I'm an optimistic guy and always reckon there's always a chance if you make the 8, however slim. If we get North Melbourne in a first final, then our chances go up significantly.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Subs are the worst.

Cap interchange at 25 a quarter and get rid of the subs.

And allow 4 changes during quarter breaks and you have 112 a game. Still think just have the emergencies available as the subs.

 

[Jack is Back]

I've been there for the whole journey. I know that occasionally some clubs will jag a premiership from nowhere. But conventional wisdom says get the players finals experience and they become hardened for future tilts at the flag. So it is half a doz of one or 6 of the other. Do we
a.. not play Pods, and Rutten, risk not making finals, get a slightly better draft order, so that Harto and 3rd tall will be better in 2015 (a few more games under their belt), and possibly make finals next year and crash out for lack of finals experience, or
b... play Pods and Rutten for most of season, possibly jag a final and a slim chance to go deep into finals, ('97) (gaining finals experience for 22 players) and have a better chance in finals series the following year, (with 2 less experienced players in the squad in 2015 being Harto and 3rd tall).
c... other options.

I chose option b. You sound like you chose option a. Each to their own.
I'm an optimistic guy and always reckon there's always a chance if you make the 8, however slim. If we get North Melbourne in a first final, then our chances go up significantly.

Option B has been a significant factor in our 16 years of failure.

Poort Poower are top but they are still willing to play a second round draft choice (Impey) who would be kicking around the dew in the Crow magoos.

Playing in the 2012 finals did a lot for the development of the following players;

Doughty, Tippett, Callinan, Johncock, Vince, Riley, Porplyzia, Shaw, Luke Thompson and Petrenko. None of these players will be in our next premiership team and neither will Truck, JPod, Thommo and Reilly.

Now I am not suggesting that we drop Thommo, he is much much better than the next midfielder in line but is JPod much better than Jenkins or is Rutten much better than Hartigan?

Your like the Board and the administration of the Adelaide Football Club. You would like us to win another flag but you are unwilling to suffer any pain to get there.

 

[Crows Dynasty]

Alastair Lynch, great player in twilight of his career won premiership 2001-3 aged 33, 34 and 35 years! He was a legend of course, but those last three years amplified his greatness significantly. JPod can still play a role . We are not in the lofty company of Brisbane 2001-3, but older players can still make a big impact.

I would love to get finals experience into Crouches (Matt and Brad), Cameron, Kerridge, Jenkins, Brown, Lynch, Laird, Lyons, Grigg, (up to 10 finals debutants)
and more experience into Walker, Betts, Douglas, Jacobs, Thompson, Sloane , Dangerfield, Jaensch, Wright, Tals. DMac, Otten, Smith, Hendo,

Perhaps only JPod Reilly and Truck the only ones who won't feature much beyond this season.
Getting finals games into these 10 young players, and into the other guys could set us up for next year!.

And by the way it is ok to hold differing opinions!

 

[Schulzycrow]

Cameron will be over his groin complaint and Matt Crouch just couldn't get near it. M. Crouch should come out and it will be a head to head with Cameron and Martin to avoid the sub.

Didn't get 20 possessions did however stick 7 tackles and was good with his pressure on the ball carrier. His rising star round he was running around in the backline into the middle picking up cheap possessions. Last week he was in the guts, he should stay in another week, maybe sub. Cameron if fit comes straight back in on the fast deck of Docklands.

 

[hellboy1975]

Your like the Board and the administration of the Adelaide Football Club. You would like us to win another flag but you are unwilling to suffer any pain to get there.

If the complaining on this board is anything to go by, we've had plenty of pain over the last half a dozen years.

While we're still working on a spot in the finals, the team must be a balance of younger and experienced players.

 

[andrevich]

Cant wait to see Brad Crouch back, could be the missing link in the midfield that could propel us to another level.

As long as he straightens out his disposal and decision making ... way too often he will boot it straight to opposition without lowering his eyes or over-kick on his shorter to mid range passes . It will be the difference between him being a very good ball winner and an out and out star .

 

[J_Crow]

He's 100kgs FFS. All he has to do is create a legitimate contest. He's not going to in every contest, but what he really needs to do is put as much physical pressure on his opponent as possible, and force the ball to ground, rather than allowing an intercept mark and then the instant rebound.

You can take the boy out of basketball but you can't take basketball out of the boy.

 

[andrevich]

So uhh who is the leading goal kicker for Adelaide.

RankName GamesTotal

1Josh Jenkins1022
2Eddie Betts1221
3James Podsiadly1215
4Patrick Dangerfield1212
5Richard Douglas98
5Taylor Walker58

Real shame some of the garbage you say.
Jenkins will beat any opponent he gets over 40 metres, He'd be top of the goal ladder in a decent forward entry team.

We are not using him properly ! we should utilize his pace , strength and agility around the ground .
Have him as our kick to option on the wing or from kick ins going 2nd man up next to Jacobs using Jacobs as a block .
Then create space and let him run his man into our forward fifty toward goal , he will win his fair share .
Quick spell in the ruck and the odd rest in the goal square but he feeds off being involved .

 

[simmo97]

Option B has been a significant factor in our 16 years of failure.

Poort Poower are top but they are still willing to play a second round draft choice (Impey) who would be kicking around the dew in the Crow magoos.

Playing in the 2012 finals did a lot for the development of the following players;

Doughty, Tippett, Callinan, Johncock, Vince, Riley, Porplyzia, Shaw, Luke Thompson and Petrenko. None of these players will be in our next premiership team and neither will Truck, JPod, Thommo and Reilly.

Now I am not suggesting that we drop Thommo, he is much much better than the next midfielder in line but is JPod much better than Jenkins or is Rutten much better than Hartigan?

Your like the Board and the administration of the Adelaide Football Club. You would like us to win another flag but you are unwilling to suffer any pain to get there.

you say we need some pain but is making the finals and finishing between 6th to 8th compared to missing the finals and finishing 9th or 10th really going to be experiencing pain. It depends more on who is playing in the remaining games and having a good off season in the trade/free agency and draft period.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Doughty, Tippett, Callinan, Johncock, Vince, Riley, Porplyzia, Shaw, Luke Thompson and Petrenko. None of these players will be in our next premiership team and neither will Truck, JPod, Thommo and Reilly.

I don't think it's entirely consistent with your argument to use Tippett, Riley, Shaw, L. Thompson or Petrenko.