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[electricfeel]

Where do you guys put the likes of Sutcliffe and Sheridan at the moment?
They're a cut above the plodders, but can be really costly for us at times.

For me Sutcliffe is the sort of players who really shines when the entire team is in form - it's why he featured so much in 2013. Mind you, that may have been because we had an in-form McPharlin, Johnson, Dawson, Ibbotson, Duffield and Spurr working around him - so all he really needed to be was the foot-soldier at the right place at the right time. Being a full-time small-defender doesn't seem to be a strength, as found out in the last couple of weeks he'll get beaten everyday by a strong small/mid.

Likewise for Sheridan, except that maybe he's being played even more out of position than Sutcliffe - he'd do much better on the wing.

Sheridan has been really good. He has improved a lot and is one of the few who provides attacking run and carry. His disposal is mostly good and he has delivered some bullet passes into forward 50 on occasion.

Sutcliffe has gone backwards a bit. His kicking used to be really good but he is prone to the odd clanger now, particularly out of our defensive 50. He is not a defender at all. He should be playing on the wing or as a running half back. He should not be playing on the Stringers and Darlings.

Spurr has also been responsible for a lot of clangers coming out of defence but his intercept marking is good and so he keeps his spot in the team for now.

 

[salim malik]

Absolutely agree with your comment re Mayne.

We need another tall defender against North. I'd like it to be Collins. And I'd like us to use Dawson in the ruck to give Griff a chop out.

Yep I'd like Collins(one of the Peel best again) to CHB , release Johnno to his roving defender role and one of Suttcliffe ,Sherro to Muzungu's role. Crosier in for Mayne, sorry Chris but it's time. Griff obviously and Grey in for Suban.
B Spurr Zac D Johnno
HB Ibbo Collins Sutcliffe
C D Pearce Hill Sheridan
HF Walters A Pearce Langdon
FF Balla Pav Weller
Followers Grif Neale Fyfe
I/C Grey,Crosier,De Boer,Barlow. Tabs for De Boer to give Griff and Pearce a chop out maybe.

 

[elsleevador]

DD you are too lenient , Tab WAfl reserve.

That would do wonders for his development and confidence.

 

[wayToGo_]

Please no to bringing Tabs back in, all the reports from WAFL watchers was that his work rate was terrible, and listening to the game on radio seemed to back that opinion up. At least he can make some impact at WAFL, surely that's better for his confidence than coming in to AFL and being worst on ground (or close to) game after game? Far prefer playing a smaller forward line with a swing man like Alex Pearce. If Tabs brought the same presence and effort that Alex does then he'd be back in the team pretty quickly.

 

[Carnthedockers]

I think sutcliffe would be better suited on a wing. I think Collins or Silvagni have to play.

 

[StingBitten]

Yep I'd like Collins(one of the Peel best again) to CHB , release Johnno to his roving defender role and one of Suttcliffe ,Sherro to Muzungu's role. Crosier in for Mayne, sorry Chris but it's time. Griff obviously and Grey in for Suban.
B Spurr Zac D Johnno
HB Ibbo Collins Sutcliffe
C D Pearce Hill Sheridan
HF Walters A Pearce Langdon
FF Balla Pav Weller
Followers Grif Neale Fyfe
I/C Grey,Crosier,De Boer,Barlow. Tabs for De Boer to give Griff and Pearce a chop out maybe.

This except Apeness instead of Tabs when he's fit and I'm assuming you mean Mora for Suban when he's fit?

 

[RickSanchez]

Yep I'd like Collins(one of the Peel best again) to CHB , release Johnno to his roving defender role and one of Suttcliffe ,Sherro to Muzungu's role. Crosier in for Mayne, sorry Chris but it's time. Griff obviously and Grey in for Suban.
B Spurr Zac D Johnno
HB Ibbo Collins Sutcliffe
C D Pearce Hill Sheridan
HF Walters A Pearce Langdon
FF Balla Pav Weller
Followers Grif Neale Fyfe
I/C Grey,Crosier,De Boer,Barlow. Tabs for De Boer to give Griff and Pearce a chop out maybe.

 

[eastfreo75]

Outs: Sandilands, Suban, De Boer, Mayne, (Mzunga)

In: Griffin, Collins, Weller, Crozier (Mundy)

 

[salim malik]

This except Apeness instead of Tabs when he's fit and I'm assuming you mean Mora for Suban when he's fit?

Its next weeks game team. Apeness next year and Mora is not ready yet.

 

[Mr Fonebone]

I think sutcliffe would be better suited on a wing. I think Collins or Silvagni have to play.

Sheridan Sutcliffe and Hill are mids. Full stop.

My team for the v North would be:

Spurr-Dawson-Johnson
Ibbotson-A Pearce-Tucker
D Pearce-Sheridan-Hill
Crozier-Collins-Weller
Ballantyne-Pavlich-Walters

Griffin-Fyfe-Neale

Sutcliffe-Langdon-Barlow-Silvagni

- Sheridan is developing nicely. Time to be in the midfield
- Collins deserves a shot. Tabs has had plenty of goes.
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[wayToGo_]

I think sutcliffe would be better suited on a wing. I think Collins or Silvagni have to play.

Really? I actually hate Sutcliffe on the wing personally. Sutcliffe is a good kick and is generally a very accountable defender. I think we tend to assess defenders based on when they do a poor job occasionally rather than all the times when they do a good job. We were a bit small in defence yesterday and Sutty had to match up on players he probably isn't suited to but if we have the right line up (maybe adding Collins/Silvagni as you say) then I think he'd be very competent and most importantly provide a good kick out of defence.

 

[Wizard]

Where do you guys put the likes of Sutcliffe and Sheridan at the moment?
They're a cut above the plodders, but can be really costly for us at times.

For me Sutcliffe is the sort of players who really shines when the entire team is in form - it's why he featured so much in 2013. Mind you, that may have been because we had an in-form McPharlin, Johnson, Dawson, Ibbotson, Duffield and Spurr working around him - so all he really needed to be was the foot-soldier at the right place at the right time. Being a full-time small-defender doesn't seem to be a strength, as found out in the last couple of weeks he'll get beaten everyday by a strong small/mid.

Likewise for Sheridan, except that maybe he's being played even more out of position than Sutcliffe - he'd do much better on the wing.

Personally I think Sutcliffe is bloody awful as a defender and always has been.

 

[Scham]

If you effectively quell Harvey and Goldstein, you're 60% on the way to beating North.

I'd like to see Grey brought in for the sole purpose of stopping Harvey - whatever it takes!

Goldstein is a little more problematic. He'll be too mobile for Griff you'd think but Pearce would be the better match up for Brown so Griff will have to pull out a big one!

Dawson takes Waite

De Boer takes Del Santo

Sheridan takes Higgins

Spurr on the diver.

Silvagni on Petrie

AP on Brown

Grey on the sook

So therefore I'd drop Mayne and bring in Silvagni (or Collins or Mora)

Drop Suban and bring in Crozier

Drop Mzungu and bring in Grey

And Griff replaces Sandi

For a side that looks like:

B: APearce Dawson Spurr
HB: Ibbo Silvagni Sheridan
C: Hill Barlow Danyle
HF: Weller Jonno Walters
F: Balla Pavlich Crozier
R: Griff Neale Fyfe
Grey, Sutty, Langdon, De Boer

 

[democritus]

Outs: Mundy (inj), Sandi (inj), Suban (crab), Mayne (crab), Mzungu (crab)
Ins: DeBoer (retains his spot, need some grunt in the middle with Mundy gone), Griffin (replaces Sandi), Crozier (can actually kick), Grey (move sutcliffe/sheridan onto a wing, let a natural defender do the job on Lindsay Thomas), Tucker (shame he was held out of the Peel game, I reckon he may have demanded a call up, can provide some tidy use off half back)

 

[Carnthedockers]

Really? I actually hate Sutcliffe on the wing personally. Sutcliffe is a good kick and is generally a very accountable defender. I think we tend to assess defenders based on when they do a poor job occasionally rather than all the times when they do a good job. We were a bit small in defence yesterday and Sutty had to match up on players he probably isn't suited to but if we have the right line up (maybe adding Collins/Silvagni as you say) then I think he'd be very competent and most importantly provide a good kick out of defence.

I'm sorry, I have to disagree. I think he makes poor decisions under pressure. I agree he has a decent kick. A bit more time and space on the wing is what he needs I think.

 

[Patty_Moz]

I didnt know where to post this, so here will do! This is a great summation on the "Lyon doesnt play youth" things...From the horses mouth:
"Ross, this is the start to the season. Does that make you think more about team selection? For example playing the younger kids?

We felt Langdon and Weller played well tonight. However, there are only so many youngsters to choose from. We have lost a few of our kids over the years.

Josh Simpson, then Jayden Pitt who had some heart issues, Michael Apenes has been injured for two years and Harly Balic has a wrist injury . There are some contributing factors as to what’s underneath. The rest we have played a fair bit, Sutcliffe, Neale, Sheridan and Pearce. Basically the ones we’ve got we’ve been playing.

Connor Blakely has been the obvious one, he has had a bad big toe and he’ll return. As always we pick a team that has integrity. I don’t think the youth are missing out, contrary to the popular opinion."

Yep that's the real concern we don't really have much depth in the youth department. A lot of failed draft picks in the last 5-6 years for a number of reasons and basically no young players making it from the rookie draft apart from Hughes.

Also taken plenty of mature agers in that time who have generally been good servants but are now getting on a bit and not adding a lot this further dismisses the depth of our youth.

Changes would be pretty simple for me:
OUT: Sandi, one of Suban, Mzungu, de Boer
IN: Griffin, Crozier

 

[wayToGo_]

I'm sorry, I have to disagree. I think he makes poor decisions under pressure. I agree he has a decent kick. A bit more time and space on the wing is what he needs I think.

Yeah fair enough. Last year he had one of the better retention rates (78%) which is generally a good indication of making good decisions with your disposal (far better than just disposal efficiency). But I don't know if that has suddenly changed this year with the new game plan, maybe you are right and he will do better on a wing once he settles. I suppose we'll get a better sense now that our defensive set up seems to be finding its feet a bit more (thought they held up quite well against a quality forward line last night).

Personally I think Sutcliffe is bloody awful as a defender and always has been.

He only conceded multiple goals three times last year - I'd be pretty happy as a coach with that output from my defenders.

 

[Freomaniac]

As stated... Not a fan going into games with a sole ruck. Out Sandi, Suban, Mayne. In Griffin, Hannath, Collins/Tucker

 

[Superkoops]

As stated... Not a fan going into games with a sole ruck. Out Sandi, Suban, Mayne. In Griffin, Hannath, Collins/Tucker

Hannath is waste of time. Better to pinch with Johnson and A. Pearce. I would bring in Collins or Silvani to free up Johnson.

 

[Dump Truck]

Sutcliffe has gone backwards a bit. His kicking used to be really good but he is prone to the odd clanger now, particularly out of our defensive 50. He is not a defender at all. He should be playing on the wing or as a running half back. He should not be playing on the Stringers and Darlings.
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THIS! I've been saying for ages he's not a small defender! He is a valuable asset to our team. I see him as a rebounding defender/7th defender type like Bachar Houli for Richmond. He get's carved up by decent forwards and that kills his confidence. In 2013/14 (his best seasons) he was less accountable for forwards meaning he could be released and link up more. That's what his role needs to be.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Gidday guys and girls, I was wondering if any of you would be willing to jump on the north podcast on Thursday night?

If interested, shoot me a pm.

 

[malpaso]

As stated... Not a fan going into games with a sole ruck. Out Sandi, Suban, Mayne. In Griffin, Hannath, Collins/Tucker

Why? The Kangaroos do it, Petrie is the one that provides a chop out. We need 1 ruck and some talls (Collins and Silvagni). I'd even prefer Silvagni up forward to bring Taberner back in, Tabs simply lacks the will to compete at AFL level.

 

[Tas]

Why? The Kangaroos do it, Petrie is the one that provides a chop out. We need 1 ruck and some talls (Collins and Silvagni). I'd even prefer Silvagni up forward to bring Taberner back in, Tabs simply lacks the will to compete at AFL level.

Goldy has a big tank, he rucks for 92-95% of the game. Brown gives him a chop out for a few minutes a game but he is a key forward, is hopeless in the ruck. We would get pantsed if we had to rely on him to ruck more than a few minutes.

I think most sides would prefer to only play one ruckman if they could get around it. Gawn looks like he is going to develop a similar tank to Goldy, he was impressive today.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Yep I'd like Collins(one of the Peel best again) to CHB , release Johnno to his roving defender role and one of Suttcliffe ,Sherro to Muzungu's role. Crosier in for Mayne, sorry Chris but it's time. Griff obviously and Grey in for Suban.
B Spurr Zac D Johnno
HB Ibbo Collins Sutcliffe
C D Pearce Hill Sheridan
HF Walters A Pearce Langdon
FF Balla Pav Weller
Followers Grif Neale Fyfe
I/C Grey,Crosier,De Boer,Barlow. Tabs for De Boer to give Griff and Pearce a chop out maybe.

Agree with everything except I would like Tucker instead of Grey. I just think his skills are better, plus he was good in the NAB cup.

 

[G Mus]

I think the point of sut down back is to put extra defensive accountability on players who normally have very little ie stringer or darling, if we were on top in those games he would have been much more effective ball in hand as well as keeping them from goal