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[The Sloane Ranger]

Pets inclusion was a must and his value should not be measured by DT points

For those who oppose Pet's inclusion I encourage you to watch last weeks game and see how easy it was for an average side to stroll the footy out of our forward 50

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Pets inclusion was a must and his value should not be measured by DT points

For those who oppose Pet's inclusion I encourage you to watch last weeks game and see how easy it was for an average side to stroll the footy out of our forward 50

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Pets inclusion was a must and his value should not be measured by DT points

Ok (and i do agree that he should not be measured that way) but fir the sake of the discussion, how should he be measured?

For those who oppose Pet's inclusion I encourage you to watch last weeks game and see how easy it was for an average side to stroll the footy out of our forward 50

One doesn't equal the other but because JP wasn't doing those things before he was dropped. He was not demonstrating that forward pressure or sticking tackles that hold the ball in the area.

I'm not suggesting his selection this week was tokenism but he wasn't doing those things before you are listing and was dropped for a reason.

 

[BACCS]

Im getting a little sick of you calling out mods for their posting style and decisions.
Consider this a warning.

Attack vaders comment, I dont like it either, but lay off the 'mods should/shouldnt do xyz'.
If you have serious issues with anyones moderating please contact an admin.

Fair enough.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Pets inclusion was a must and his value should not be measured by DT points

For those who oppose Pet's inclusion I encourage you to watch last weeks game and see how easy it was for an average side to stroll the footy out of our forward 50

And for those who advocate it, I encourage you to watch the Carlton game and see the same thing.

 

[CrowCro]

You think Brodie Martin should be South Australian of the Year.

Does only yours and Vaders opinion have to count. As Cornesy would sahy- have you played the game!!!! I believe we are not utilising a good talent. Under Sando he has played in only in a defensive role and as a sub. For any football follower would know that he is an attacking player that needs to play onball or wing or up forward

 

[Allefgib]

Ok (and i do agree that he should not be measured that way) but fir the sake of the discussion, how should he be measured?



One doesn't equal the other but because JP wasn't doing those things before he was dropped. He was not demonstrating that forward pressure or sticking tackles that hold the ball in the area.

I'm not suggesting his selection this week was tokenism but he wasn't doing those things before you are listing and was dropped for a reason.

Afl player rankings indicate pets is doing fairly well...

 

[Bob Neil]

Afl player rankings indicate pets is doing fairly well...

And yet our eyes tell us differently...

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Afl player rankings indicate pets is doing fairly well...

So we drop players for no reason then?

 

[cmndstab]

Does only yours and Vaders opinion have to count. As Cornesy would sahy- have you played the game!!!! I believe we are not utilising a good talent. Under Sando he has played in only in a defensive role and as a sub. For any football follower would know that he is an attacking player that needs to play onball or wing or up forward

Didn't you just call for him to be played as a defensive forward?

Literally 40 of your last 80 posts have been about Brodie Martin. You must understand why it's starting to sound like a broken record.

 

[Vader]

One of your more reprehensible posts. To suggest that a player would be picked just to add a racial characteristic to the team is beyond stupid and more than a little bit suggestive.

You back-pedalled on your 'Petrenko is utter rubbish' stance while he was in good form. After a poor stretch, you're now pretending that you never resiled from that hard-line. Unlike you, Sanderson has never said anything that indicates he is at all ambivalent about Petrenko. The simple fact is, he rates him, consistently speaks highly of his contributions, and believes that the defensive forward role is vital. That is the reason he is back in the side.

Petrenko's good form lasted about 3 months. After that the status quo was resumed and his form in the second half of the 2012 season varied from poor to abysmal (after he injured his shoulder leading into the finals). His form in 2013 has not returned to anything remotely resembling what he showed at the start of 2012. His form was so poor that he was quite rightly dropped back to the SANFL.

I understand that his SANFL performances have been good. That's nice. You'd hope all 60-game AFL footballers would be dominant at that level. I fail to see any reason why he should have been selected this week - other than the fact that it's Indigenous Round, the team is wearing the colours of the aboriginal flag, and Pets is the only aboriginal player on our list who is currently close to being selected. It would be obscene and more than a little tactless for Adelaide to select an all-white team while wearing the colours of the aboriginal flag, so in comes the token aboriginal player, right on cue.

He is not being selected on form. Wright's worst this season is still better than Petrenko's best. His selection is tokenism at it's worst. Feel free to bag me out for it, but I'm not going to shy away from calling a spade a bloody shovel. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then as far as I'm concerned it's a duck - political correctness be damned.

I have no problem with the AFL having a round dedicated to celebrating the contributions that Aboriginal players have made to the game. We have Women's Round, Rivalry Round, Land Rights for Gay Whales Round.. what's one more themed round? They're all equally pointless in my eyes and as such an "Indigenous Round" is no different from any of the others. What I do object to is the selection of a player because of his race, at the expense of a better performing player, purely to save face because the AFL has chosen to theme this as an "Indigenous Round".

 

[Dandy_GO]

Last year, when we were absolutely shocking against North, Petrenko was the player who looked like getting us back into the game.
I suspect he plays smaller grounds better than large ones. His endurance isn't great, and he tends to get lost. At Etihad, where players have a little less space to work with, he can provide more pressure. His only real standout talent is his willingness to put his body in hard, so hopefully he'll be able to shake North's defence up a little.
I'm happy with the change. Wright has been pretty average all year.

Edit: Okay maybe I was remembering a 2010 game or something, because his last two against North have been statistically really bad. I have a strong memory of him really turning it on against them in a losing game. Doesn't feel like 3 years ago! Even that game doesn't look great. Can anyone else remember a game against North at the dome where he looked like turning the game on its head? I guess individual pressure acts are hard to record.

 

[Vader]

That isn't an opinion, that's a downright insult to Indigenous Round.

I have no problem with Indigenous Round as such. I think all of the themed rounds are a joke.

What I do have a problem is with the clubs feeling obliged to select at least one aboriginal player in the team to play this round, whether or not those selections can be justified on the basis of form & performance. Petrenko's selection cannot be justified, thus it is clearly a case of tokenism to satisfy the needs of political correctness.

Pardon me for wishing to see the club's best 22 players available selected each week, rather than the best 21 plus a token aboriginal. This isn't post-apartheid South Africa, where the national cricket team selectors were forced to select a black player for every game. This is the AFL where aboriginal players are actually over-represented on AFL team lists, relative to their population in the wider community. Adelaide currently has four aboriginal players on it's senior list - Johncock, Tambling, Petrenko and Ellis-Yolmen. It's unfortunate that none of them are currently performing well enough to be selected at present, but that's life. Last year Johncock played - and (from memory) was given the honour of attending the coin toss at the start of the game. This year none of them are worthy of selection as of this point in time. We shouldn't be selecting one of them, ahead of a more deserving player, simply because it's Indigenous Round.

 

[Elite Crow]

Harper stated we laid 5 tackles in our forward line last week, so when Harper says we picked Petrenko to apply defensive pressure you don't believe him?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Harper stated we laid 5 tackles in our forward line last week, so when Harper says we picked Petrenko to apply defensive pressure you don't believe him?

So if he doesn't lay an acceptable amount if tackles today, does he get dropped?

 

[Elite Crow]

So if he doesn't lay an acceptable amount if tackles today, does he get dropped?

If it was up to me he has to tackle, create goals and kick goals. Just like any small forward should be expected to do. We need one in our side, unfortunately we are not blessed in that department.

 

[Marlin01]

That was pathetic. I said "After the siren!"

Hahahaha.

 

[Lawrst]

So anyone upset with the Pets selection?

 

[cmndstab]

I wouldn't say he was great, but he wasn't terrible either - and rose to the occasion at the right time!

 

[JP Sauce]

So anyone upset with the Pets selection?

Take out the last minute and he was average, but it's hard to complain about his game now.

 

[moogerfooger]

You're right we're better. And we proved that last year. We've also proven we're better than Adelaide quite a few times. I'm not trying to be a smartarse but if the shoe fits.

clearly, the shoe fits.

 

[Vader]

So anyone upset with the Pets selection?

How would you feel about his game if the siren had blown 2 minutes earlier, while we were still 6pts down and Pets' last gasp heroics never happened?

A player's game should be judged by how they performed over the entire 120 min, not just the last 2 min.

 

[dylan123]

A player's game should be judged by how they performed over the entire 120 min, not just the last 2 min.

Try tell that to champion data with how they award their SC points!!

That said, Petrenko was at least getting more of the ball then he had been recently for the Crows, finishing with 15 touches and 4 shots on goal, hard to complain about that.

He only had 1 tackle and didn't help stop how quickly North rebounded out of our F50 yet I felt he did enough yesterday to hold his spot (seeing as he's held it for much less).

 

[Godallblighty]

Petrenko's good form lasted about 3 months. After that the status quo was resumed and his form in the second half of the 2012 season varied from poor to abysmal (after he injured his shoulder leading into the finals). His form in 2013 has not returned to anything remotely resembling what he showed at the start of 2012. His form was so poor that he was quite rightly dropped back to the SANFL.

I agree. The point was that during his period of good form, you backed off on your not-afl-standard-will-not-play-fifty-games-etc. Now you're pretending that you held the line all the way through.

I fail to see any reason why he should have been selected this week - other than the fact that it's Indigenous Round, the team is wearing the colours of the aboriginal flag, and Pets is the only aboriginal player on our list who is currently close to being selected.

You mean you don't agree with the reason he was selected ie we needed defensive pressure in our forward line and Sanderson quite plainly and explicitly has said over and over again that he rates Petrenko's contribution in that regard. To claim that it is because of some loony, positive-discrimination conspiracy theory is deluded.

Wright's worst this season is still better than Petrenko's best.

In your opinion. Which is wrong. However, I will certainly grant you that Wright has consistently played at a higher average than Petrenko.

I have no problem with the AFL having a round dedicated to celebrating the contributions that Aboriginal players have made to the game. We have Women's Round, Rivalry Round, Land Rights for Gay Whales Round.. what's one more themed round? They're all equally pointless in my eyes

You clearly do have a problem with it. There is a point to themed rounds. First and foremost, it is a successful marketing device to focus attention on the AFL's product. Secondly, some of the themes do actually address a social need, like indigenous disadvantage, or the role of women. Or raise the profile of memorials like Anzac Day.

What I do object to is the selection of a player because of his race, at the expense of a better performing player, purely to save face because the AFL has chosen to theme this as an "Indigenous Round".

You have absolutely no evidence that this is what occurred and no sensible person would think it was the case. The only possible factoring of 'Indigenous Round' into the selection might have been that Pets may have been predicted to have a bit of extra motivation to really perform well but I would be dumbfounded if that carried any real weight at the selection table.

This is just a stupid assertion and, when it comes down to it, a bit offensive.

 

[Dacksaredown]

Bought tickets just to see Matty Wright's 50th (I think he's on 49)? and he was dropped. shit.
was supposed to go down into the rooms too, which would have been awesome but we couldn't
find it even though we had a guy who works for Adelaide trying to get us there.

Even though Petrenko stuffs up a lot he has speed and that's all it takes when the game's on the
line and half the players are rooted. Porplyzia was also great as well, added some class to the
forward line when he came on.

when it comes to Wright though, I think they should just leave him in the forward pocket/half forward flank.
this tagging or midfielder business isn't his style. Hoping he can get back in soon.