Prediction Changes vs Brisbane

[Scorpus]

This is true and it is flawed thinking. Some players look great at training, silky smooth, great skills etc... They can even look great in some games against weaker opponents. Sadly they also disappear against pressure. We've probably all played with guys like that. It really shouldn't take 150+ games to see if a player has that ability or not!

Performances at training are really only important during the off-season. Coaches should place a far greater weight on in-game performances, particularly in the AFL, to decide who gets selected. To be honest, training doesn't matter if you're shit on game day.

 

[Thinker]

I would suggest that the question mark over Milera is his confidence to get the hard ball and his ability to work back in defence. It seems that defensive pressure is the issue for CEY and Grigg, and this can only be determined in game situation. Hence the benefit of SANFL and GPS data.

 

[rezagun]

I'm not saying that SANFL performances are irrelevant. What I am saying is that training form is given a much higher weighting, and it is not an issue for players to be selected despite not having played a game the previous week (either due to being the traveling emergency, or SANFL bye).

Here's the emergency lists (ignoring late changes) from the 5 weeks:
R19 - Milera, Wigg, O'Brien
R18 - Seedsman, Mackay, O'Brien
R17 - CEY, Milera, Kelly
R16 - Seedsman, Milera, Kelly
R15 - Henderson, Milera, Otten

Only once in the last 5 rounds has CEY been named on the emergency list. Having other inside mids ahead of him is probably what's keeping him out of the 22 - no argument there. It's not what's keeping him out of the 25. By all accounts he's been playing well for a while now, with the Showdown-lite being an exceptionally good performance. Given his good form, you need to ask yourself why can't he even make it onto the emergency list?

I'm happy to accept that he's been playing really well at the SANFL level. However, history shows that the selectors just don't have that much interest in him, regardless of his SANFL form. Why? You'd have to ask them.

Why do they bother with the SANFL? Good SANFL form doesn't guarantee AFL selection. Bad SANFL form does guarantee that you won't be given AFL selection. Primarily though it's about match fitness. Players get fit at training, but there's just no simulating the way that players push themselves under the adrenaline surge of the match conditions. It's also valuable for getting players used to the roles that the club wants them to play, so that they fit straight into the system if they are required at the senior level.

Wigg & O'Brien have good SANFL form, and the signals coming from the AFC are that they're close to gaining AFL selection. CEY has good SANFL form, but there's no indication from within the club that his efforts are likely to be rewarded. This is not me hating on CEY, it's the signals that the AFC are sending.

You're probably right about the selectors over-rating certain players. More to the point, I think they're much slower to revise their opinions about players than BigFooty would like them to be. I think that goes both ways - slow to recognise and reward good SANFL form in the youngsters, slow to recognise and punish bad AFL form in the veterans. I think BigFooty goes to the other extreme, being prone to knee-jerk reactions and calling for players to be dropped after only one or two poor performances.

Personally, I'm neither here nor there on CEY's possible selection this week. I don't think his inclusion would improve our team, but I don't think he'd disappoint us if he were selected. I expect him to be named on the emergency list, but not in the final 22.

Grow up and stop trying to shoot the messenger.

 

[crowsup]

What I think some people here seem to do is forget to compare the amount of possessions a player gets in the sanfl against the amount of possessions a player, playing in the same position, gets in the AFL.
Do people here really believe that CEY would actually average 29 possessions in the afl? Or that Thommo, as an example, would not average 29 possessions playing in the sanfl?

 

[thephenom]

Any chance of Hampton getting a gig this week for Mackay?

 

[Vader]

I would suggest that the question mark over Milera is his confidence to get the hard ball and his ability to work back in defence. It seems that defensive pressure is the issue for CEY and Grigg, and this can only be determined in game situation. Hence the benefit of SANFL and GPS data.

I think the question mark over Milera is his ability to get his hands on the ball, hard or not. His decision making and disposal are top notch, but he just doesn't get enough of it. That was clearly the case at AFL level, and my understanding is that he's having the same problems at SANFL level.

 

[1970crow]

Anyone who thinks we drop Atkins is insane. There are so many other players that should be on the chopping board before him it's not funny. In fact I'd probably drop about half our team before I even considered dropping Atkins.

I'd like to see him spend more time around stoppages. Keeps him in the play and he's very creative in tight with his hands. He's also one of the very, very few who can get himself through traffic which results in getting clean ball outside the pressure area without the need to go backwards. But we've got players who we can't bring ourselves to remove from that area and that can't be played anywhere else. We're a team in limbo at the moment, effectively waiting out the year.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I'd like to see him spend more time around stoppages. Keeps him in the play and he's very creative in tight with his hands. He's also one of the very, very few who can get himself through traffic which results in getting clean ball outside the pressure area without the need to go backwards. But we've got players who we can't bring ourselves to remove from that area and that can't be played anywhere else. We're a team in limbo at the moment, effectively waiting out the year.

So what you are subtly saying is that without Thompson we could play Atkins in a more inside/outside role as a prime mid?! Makes sense

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I would suggest that the question mark over Milera is his confidence to get the hard ball and his ability to work back in defence. It seems that defensive pressure is the issue for CEY and Grigg, and this can only be determined in game situation. Hence the benefit of SANFL and GPS data.

I think that's a good way of putting for Milera…I don't think he's soft but he has a certain hesitancy at times that I think will certainly resolve with experience.

Re GPS data in SANFL, is it hard to directly compare to AFL standards due to the differing game style, ball movement patterns etc? CEY is looking bloody determined and fearsome around the contest and he is springing up all over the ground from the little I can gauge on TV.

 

[1970crow]

Dude, play the ball, not the man.

I think WW dishes out enough that he can take a bit back. And I can assure you that he doesn't need anyone's help, he's more than happy to return serve himself.

 

[ThreeLeggedCrow]

Out: Jacobs , Thompson, Mackay
In: O'Brien , Wigg, Walker

If it was bad weather then I would have gone CEY .

 

[jenny61_99]

I think WW dishes out enough that he can take a bit back. And I can assure you that he doesn't need anyone's help, he's more than happy to return serve himself.

I don't care who it's aimed at... it's not necessary.

 

[dogs105]

Any truth in this talk that Thommo might be rested this week Thinker or TAFKATMS ?

 

[1970crow]

I don't care who it's aimed at... it's not necessary.

I disagree, WW revels in it.

 

[1970crow]

I would suggest that the question mark over Milera is his confidence to get the hard ball and his ability to work back in defence. It seems that defensive pressure is the issue for CEY and Grigg, and this can only be determined in game situation. Hence the benefit of SANFL and GPS data.

That concern obviously isn't applied evenly across our full inside mid brigade. Only room for one player who's yet to be seen on the defensive side of the footy while it's in general play.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Performances at training are really only important during the off-season. Coaches should place a far greater weight on in-game performances, particularly in the AFL, to decide who gets selected. To be honest, training doesn't matter if you're shit on game day.

Oh really... remember this? Neil has to go ahead and disagree with you there I'm afraid.

Neil Craig: Drop Burton? Have you seen his latest 3km time trial results? And his skin folds don’t even register. I must have spent at least an hour yesterday prodding away with the calipers trying to pinch something. Nothing! Not even a tweezer-full.

David Noble: Neil, that stuff doesn’t actually matter. It’s performance that-

Neil Craig: Look – I’ll stop you there. I’ve always said that players will be measured on their performances. You must have heard me say that a hundred times. Performance at training makes up a portion of that. A big portion. In fact the whole portion. You play how you train and no one trains better than Brett.

 

[Elite Crow]

Any chance of Hampton getting a gig this week for Mackay?

I am not sure, ask Wayne's-World

 

[Iron Crow]

Howdy fellas. New to the forum.

Just posting something that perked my attention today.

So my wife told me last night there were a couple of Adelaide players visiting the kids at the school she works at today. Turns out it was Dmac and B Crouch. One of her staff is a member and had asked Dmac if he was playing this weekend and my wife reckons he was 110% convinced he would be getting a game. So I'm thinking he was either being coy about it or he actually knows he's getting a game. I would've thought that a player in Dmac's current form would have been sweating on selection?

 

[Elite Crow]

Howdy fellas. New to the forum.

Just posting something that perked my attention today.

So my wife told me last night there were a couple of Adelaide players visiting the kids at the school she works at today. Turns out it was Dmac and B Crouch. One of her staff is a member and had asked Dmac if he was playing this weekend and my wife reckons he was 110% convinced he would be getting a game. So I'm thinking he was either being coy about it or he actually knows he's getting a game. I would've thought that a player in Dmac's current form would have been sweating on selection?

I think what Mackay meant was he wasnt injured from Parish's bump.

 

[Scorpus]

Also, Walker is expected to play

 

[Scorpus]

Judging by Jacobs and Thommo being rested, I'd go:

Out: Jacobs (ankle), Thompson (rested), Mackay (omitted)
In: O'Brien, Walker, Wigg

I suspect Mackay will not be omitted, and Wigg will not debut.

 

[MRB37]

Could have Tex back too

 

[SloaneysDanger]

So

Out: Thompson, Jacobs, Mackay
In: ROB, CEY, Tex

I think CEY should play over Wigg, he was sensational against the Magpies on the weekend and deserves a game.

 

[simmo97]

In; Walker, O'Brein
Out; Thompson, Jacobs

 

[fabs33]

Howdy fellas. New to the forum.

Just posting something that perked my attention today.

So my wife told me last night there were a couple of Adelaide players visiting the kids at the school she works at today. Turns out it was Dmac and B Crouch. One of her staff is a member and had asked Dmac if he was playing this weekend and my wife reckons he was 110% convinced he would be getting a game. So I'm thinking he was either being coy about it or he actually knows he's getting a game. I would've thought that a player in Dmac's current form would have been sweating on selection?

To be fair to Mackay he's played worse games before without being dropped so it's not surprising he's expecting to play.