Preview Changes vs North

[Dogs_R_Us]

Wallis said pretty much the same thing (wonder where he got it from ), that all was going well except for the small mistakes that the WCE took advantage of and turned into goals. He said the team still believe they can go all the way.

 

[BRWB]

Something like:

Petrie - Roberts
Waite - Hamling
Higgins - Wood
Nahas - Murphy
Harvey - Boyd
Thomas - Morris

The leg speed of their forwards could be an issue for us but with JJ and Biggs rotating through, we should be able to cover them OK.

Rough can go with Brown when he's down there.

Boyd is too slow for Harvey IMO. I'd love to see Boyd frighten the Christ out of Higgins with his ability to win contested ball. Good matchup IMO. Similar pace, similar aerially.

I know Bev hasn't tagged but Picken to Harvey just seems so much fun. Perhaps he can get Boomer rubbed out for the finals again. If not Picken then JJ.

I'd have Wood on Thomas as he is better aerially.

Murph on Nahas cause Nahas is a shit truck who Murph will destroy.

And KP wise hard to say until we know changes.

 

[cosmicr]

not sure there will be any changes other than Picken - M Boyd and Someone for the ruck.

Watched the presser and you can read a bit into it.

- The moment of pondering when asked if he was dissapointed at the blow out, thn when he asnwers there is a smirk, but something more to it than "what a stupid question.
-The passive aggressive agro at questions regarding campbell, the response wasn't really a "are you questioning my decision" but more a "are you quetioning the talent of one of my playes!" thats the vibe i got.
-The inlination that our forward line will remain as is, and it was the mids and def that failed on the day.

As well as the impression that Bevo truly believes that it was a few mistakes that gifted them goals "kept WC in the game" interesting choice of words don't you think. and the vieled hint that key injuries to campbell, grant, and morris was what let them get away and blow the game out.

The boys are not messing around when they say Bevo believes in them, even a team with only 2 players with more than 100 games.

The drink is made of distilled and refined cool-aid! lol

Edited for grammar nazis like myself.

But I generally agree with everything you say. This year whenever we have been down at quarter time, I always feel confident that Bevo will make the changes needed and motivate the players to do better in the next. And he does. I don't know what he does but it works. I feel like whatever was learned from the West Coast game will make us so much better against North.

 

[BEaston]

Out - Pearce
In - Boyd

Out - smith
In - picken

Out - grant (injured/rest)
In - Webb

Out - campbell (injured/rest)
In - Minson

Out - hamling
In - Roberts

Out - talia
In - Roughie

Out - Jong
In - hrovat

Fb: wood Roughie Morris
Hb: murph Roberts boyd
C: macrae Wallis picken
Hf: Dickson Crameri hrovat
Ff: stringer redpath hunter
R: Minson Bonti dal
Ic: Webb, JJ, Biggs, Daniel

Lots of changes but my guess is that's always been the plan.

Roughie to brown (and follows him into the ruck)
Roberts to Petrie
Morris to Waite

Wood, JJ, murph and Boyd rotate on boomer, Nahas and Higgins.

3 small defenders on the pine fronk?

 

[TiAn_]

Not applicable in any way in football.

Hawthorn reinvent every year.

You cannot wait till it is broke, then you cannot fix it. We need to continuously improve and simply put we have corageously evolved over the year and must continue to do so.

Hawthorn reinvent every year, hey? Well, since we're talking about Redpath and our forward line, lets have a look at Hawthorn's forward line.

Hawthorn Leading goalkickers

2011
Franklin
Breust
Rioli
Osborne
Smith

2012
Franklin
Breust
Roughead
Rioli
Gunston
Lewis
Hale
Puopolo
Smith

2013
Roughead
Franklin
Gunston
Breust
Hale
Rioli
Smith

2014
Roughead
Gunston
Breust
Smith
Puopolo
Hale
Rioli
Lewis

2015
Breust
Gunston
Roughead
Rioli
Puopolo
Smith

That's 5 straight years of basically the same 6-7 guys leading their goalkicking. So, yeah. That wouldn't even qualify as reinventing the wheel.

You can always find areas to improve IMO.

Sure, nobody is going to disagree with that. But my point is that replacing Redpath with Boyd isn't an improvement right now. I'd like to see them both have a run in the seniors together. THAT may be an improvement.

 

[fronkalicious]

3 small defenders on the pine fronk?

JJ, murph, Boyd, Webb, Biggs etc can all rotate through the middle. I like having clean ball users that can rotate through those areas.

 

[BEaston]

Sure, nobody is going to disagree with that. But my point is that replacing Redpath with Boyd isn't an improvement right now. I'd like to see them both have a run in the seniors together. THAT may be an improvement.

Ok, sure.

Others believe it would be an improvement, for whatever reason. You can make an argument for either.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

OUT: Talia, Morris (inj), Jong, Campbell, Pearce (seen enough), Redpath

IN: Roberts, M. Boyd, Picken, Roughead, Hrovat/Webb, T. Boyd

With Morris seemingly likely to be fit, I'll try this again.

OUT: Talia (omit.)
IN: Roberts
Not giving up on Talia but he's out of form and has been for much of the back half of the year. He needs to find confidence from somewhere and making decisions that cost the team crucial goals at AFL level is not going to help. Roberts maybe slightly underdone but I'm more confident in him at the moment.

OUT: Daniel (omit.)
IN: M. Boyd
I think Daniel's been a little hot and cold lately and he makes way this week. Should find his way back in at some point. Roarke Smith could be another option here but I liked his first game and think he'll get another go.

OUT: Jong (omit.)
IN: Picken
Jong's effort really disappointed me on the weekend. Picken comes straight back in and plays similar roles. One of the easier decisions for mine.

OUT: Campbell (inj./omit.)
IN: Roughead
Goldstein worries me a tad and I'd be tempted to bring Minson in, but I don't want to mess with the structure by playing both and I think Rough's versatility provides us with some real tactical gold. We've been pretty good at combatting the Goldstein style rucks at stoppages through ground-level adjustments this year and I'm more concerned about his presence around the ground. That makes Rough a logical choice for mine.

OUT: Pearce (omit.)
IN: Hrovat
Harsh on Pearce as he's not a defender and that was the role he was forced to play upon being brought into the game...but I saw enough, and don't think we can afford to get too cute this week - it's an important game. Rat deserves another go and is a better option than Pearce in my opinion.

OUT: Redpath (omit.)
IN: T. Boyd
Red's playing his role but to be brutally honest that role is a decoy, opening up space for others to run into. He has clear limitations and I personally believe the presence Boyd brings will be more valuable to us this week. I view North's defence as being suspect and I think Boyd is better placed to take advantage of that than Redpath. I'm not prepared to play both as I don't think it will work. Happy with Redpath's development but I view Boyd as a better option this week - particularly given that he provides more flexibility in the ruck.

Roarke gets another go. Didn't do anything overly wrong and I like his energy. Either he or Grant as sub (if not injured - if he can't play, Daniel stays in and plays as the sub).

NB: huge number of changes not reflective of me thinking we were shit on the weekend. Just think we're a fair way from our best available team at the moment and I'd like to get closer to that heading into the last couple of H&A rounds.

 

[BEaston]

JJ, murph, Boyd, Webb, Biggs etc can all rotate through the middle. I like having clean ball users that can rotate through those areas.

Fair enough. I still like one forward rotation on the bench.

Maybe we'll see Murph playing forward a bit this week.

 

[Zgope1]

IN: Picko, Boyd, Boyd, Rough, Roberts

OUT: Jong, Roarkey, TC, Redpath, Talia

So all like for like. Inside mid for an inside mid, half back for half back, two talls for two talls and a key back for a key back.

Prefer Toyd for this bout. He's very adept in the ruck which we'll need and he's too big for any NM key backs.

Rough to prong into Goldstein for the most part. Love him in centre bounces.

Jong needs a spell, Picko to compete much harder than he has. Still think we're short of a ball winner though so it could be Pearce who comes out for Picko.

Roberts exactly where he should go.

As said above, i'd think about keeping Jong since contested ball was a weakness last week and maybe i'd rather add Picko than to swap him in maybe. Also would consider playing Toyd and Red and having them share the back up ruck duties. Will keep them both fresh and Stringer and Crameri and the antithesis of liabilities on the deck so we can probably afford it.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Fair enough. I still like one forward rotation on the bench.

Maybe we'll see Murph playing forward a bit this week.

One thing I noticed last week was we didn't really throw the team about as much as we have been at times this year. stringer coming off half back and Murph going forward early and so on. I wonder if they decided to keep their powder dry, this week would be an excellent time to chuck things about a bit.

 

[TempleKelvington]

I have no idea who is in and who is out. I could give an argument for wholesale changes and then for just enough to bring in Boyd and Picken.

What I will say is that if you support Norf you'd have to be nervous, I mean they are smack in the window, so much so, that if they are not careful they could lose some fingers as it shuts down hard on them. They are an extremely experienced mature team, loaded up with mature age recruits designed to take them not just scraping into finals but to the premiership. They may well get there, but it would be a nail biting time for them right now. Seriously, could we be a less experienced less credentialed finals team if we tried? I'm enjoying the ride, who knows what happens from here.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Bev, the time for experimentation is over. Get serious, man.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Yes interesting selection this week depending injuries

Definite outs omitted

Smith, Pearce

Maybe outs omitted

Jong, Redpath

Maybe out injured/rested

Morris, Grant, Campbell, Daniel


If all this happens 8 changes

Minson for Campbell
M Boyd for Smith
Picken for Pearce
Hrovat for Daniel I backing the RAT in for a good game
T Boyd for Redpath
L Webb for Jong
Roberts for Morris
Bailey Dale for Grant

Hope some of the injuries come up and I would play Jong last chance to show us his early form

 

[lachy]

Hawthorn reinvent every year, hey? Well, since we're talking about Redpath and our forward line, lets have a look at Hawthorn's forward line.

Hawthorn Leading goalkickers

2011
Franklin
Breust
Rioli
Osborne
Smith

2012
Franklin
Breust
Roughead
Rioli
Gunston
Lewis
Hale
Puopolo
Smith

2013
Roughead
Franklin
Gunston
Breust
Hale
Rioli
Smith

2014
Roughead
Gunston
Breust
Smith
Puopolo
Hale
Rioli
Lewis

2015
Breust
Gunston
Roughead
Rioli
Puopolo
Smith

That's 5 straight years of basically the same 6-7 guys leading their goalkicking. So, yeah. That wouldn't even qualify as reinventing the wheel.



Sure, nobody is going to disagree with that. But my point is that replacing Redpath with Boyd isn't an improvement right now. I'd like to see them both have a run in the seniors together. THAT may be an improvement.

No we were talking about your comment if it is not broke don't fix it.

I pointed out this is a disastrous view in football, business to for that matter, as if you wait for it to break, it's to late to fix it

I then used Hawthorn who have completely changed their game style every year yet they have been premiers twice and runners up once.

You must continously look to improve or change to stay ahead of the pack.

Redpath has not dominated a single game and has been ok at best. Him playing till now may not mean it is broke, but it definitely could be better and Boyd after his spell in the reserves and all he offers may make us a stronger unit. Whether or not its broke is irrelevant

 

[TiAn_]

No we were talking about your comment if it is not broke don't fix it.

I pointed out this is a disastrous view in football, business to for that matter, as if you wait for it to break, it's to late to fix it

I then used Hawthorn who have completely changed their game style every year yet they have been premiers twice and runners up once.

You must continously look to improve or change to stay ahead of the pack.

Redpath has not dominated a single game and has been ok at best. Him playing till now may not mean it is broke, but it definitely could be better and Boyd after his spell in the reserves and all he offers may make us a stronger unit. Whether or not its broke is irrelevant

Your point is so vague it doesn't really apply to anything specifically being discussed here, certainly nothing I'm talking about. How do you even differentiate between "continuously looking to improve" and "adversely tinkering with something that's already working"?

Hawthorn haven't completely changed their game style every year. I have no idea what you're on about there. Even if they have and I've missed it, they've been relying on the same half-dozen forwards for 5 years, which means they're a horrible example for you to cite in support of your 'keep changing just because you're not sure if you've got it right yet' theory.

 

[ozzyoslo]

I suspect Stringer is going to kick a bag against their suspect backline. We need to refresh our midfield. Who should come in and who gets a rest?

Define a bag?

 

[ozzyoslo]

North don't have a matchup for Stringer. Thompson and Firrito are too slow and Stringer should burn him with his explosiveness. I can't see who they send to him with confidence.

I'm tipping Sammy Wright.

 

[Testekill]

Define a bag?

Something like what he's done nine times this season already

 

[ozzyoslo]

Need one more solid body in our mid this week imo. Wouldn't surprise if they come out and try to make it physical.

Guaranteed, we're playing for a finals berth.

 

[Dogsman16]

I'm tipping Sammy Wright.

Sam Wright?? Is this real life?

Has to be thompson or Spud firrito.

 

[Testekill]

I honestly had to look up who Sam Wright is.

 

[lachy]

Your point is so vague it doesn't really apply to anything specifically being discussed here, certainly nothing I'm talking about. How do you even differentiate between "continuously looking to improve" and "adversely tinkering with something that's already working"?

Hawthorn haven't completely changed their game style every year. I have no idea what you're on about there. Even if they have and I've missed it, they've been relying on the same half-dozen forwards for 5 years, which means they're a horrible example for you to cite in support of your 'keep changing just because you're not sure if you've got it right yet' theory.

Hawthorn's game style, ball movement and structure has changed substantially each year. They do this to remain a challenger.

In both football and business the minute you think you do not need to change is the minute you are starting the demise of your team or business.

Obviously this discussion is to subtle for you or you have not been involved in football to much either playing or coaching. Fair enough, you support and love the club and can have your opinion. Will disagree with you both on your premise and that it working, we should always look to improve and don't believe big Red in the team is working well, moreso others have gone to another level.

Carry on

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Geez we are a testy bunch this week. Better beat Norf

 

[immortalmike]

I honestly had to look up who Sam Wright is.

Am I the only one who can't tell any North players apart? Well except for Harvey, Ben Brown and Goldy.