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Your right at least your kitchen has enough spoonswould rather have one flag than support Richmond.
A question that Geelong need to seriously ask themselves, is what impact Kardinia Park has had on their ladder position over the past decade.
Are these top 4 finishes a bit of a false economy?
Are they really a 6-10th type team, having their win/loss artificially bloated by the advantage they get in the fixture?
If they are, then chasing guys like Steven and Higgins is folly.
Maybe it's not a finals thing as such. Maybe they're just actually that good?
St kilda kitchens must serve up a shitload of soup.Your right at least your kitchen has enough spoons
The sooner you realise its a ground issue and a coach issue, the sooner you will stop serving up the same results every year.A decade ago they were winning h&a games and premierships against all comers at all venues so your statement doesn't even make sense.
Where else should they play these games? Perhaps GC can play all their games at the GABBA and have even fewer people turning up.
A decade ago they were only getting 7 games per year at Kardinia due to being forced to play home games at Marvel while the AFL was paying it off. Awesome, we'll let Marvel tenant clubs sell of home games all over the state and country so they can make some money and just fixture Geelong in to make up the shortfall.
Top 4 finishes around the 2013 - 2014 mark were a false economy due to GC and GWS entering the competition 2 to 4 years earlier and depriving any up and comers of access to the top end talent. Imagine being a s**t side in 2010 and seeing Gold Coast coming in and having 8 of the top 13 picks, including 1, 2 and 3. Imagine being a s**t side in 2011 and seeing GWS come in and having 11 of the first 14 picks, including 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
Imagine being s**t in both those years with aspirations of hitting the draft and climbing up the ladder.
This obsession with Kardinia has really only started the last couple of years because Richmond supporters were crying. After 30+ long years they were finally starting to look decent, their fans were coming out of the woodwork after an extended hibernation and they were whinging that they had to play down there and other clubs didn't. It never really bother anyone for over half a century until they became really good and were almost unbeatable there (as well as everywhere else)
In summary, Scott is a s**t coach and Geelong aren't as good as they were back in the day, it has zero to do with where they play their home games.
A decade ago they were winning h&a games and premierships against all comers at all venues so your statement doesn't even make sense.
Where else should they play these games? Perhaps GC can play all their games at the GABBA and have even fewer people turning up.
A decade ago they were only getting 7 games per year at Kardinia due to being forced to play home games at Marvel while the AFL was paying it off. Awesome, we'll let Marvel tenant clubs sell of home games all over the state and country so they can make some money and just fixture Geelong in to make up the shortfall.
In 2008 Geelong won 21 of 22 h&a games, 8 of them were at Kardinia so that means they won the other 13 away from Kardinia. 13 wins would have seen you finish 4th on the ladder in that h&a season of 2008. In every other year since, with the exception of 2012 (would have finished 9th), 13 wins has been good enough to finish anywhere from 5th to 8th.
Top 4 finishes around the 2013 - 2014 mark were a false economy due to GC and GWS entering the competition 2 to 4 years earlier and depriving any up and comers of access to the top end talent. Imagine being a s**t side in 2010 and seeing Gold Coast coming in and having 8 of the top 13 picks, including 1, 2 and 3. Imagine being a s**t side in 2011 and seeing GWS come in and having 11 of the first 14 picks, including 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
Imagine being s**t in both those years with aspirations of hitting the draft and climbing up the ladder.
This obsession with Kardinia has really only started the last couple of years because Richmond supporters were crying. After 30+ long years they were finally starting to look decent, their fans were coming out of the woodwork after an extended hibernation and they were whinging that they had to play down there and other clubs didn't. It never really bother anyone for over half a century until they became really good and were almost unbeatable there (as well as everywhere else)
In summary, Scott is a s**t coach and Geelong aren't as good as they were back in the day, it has zero to do with where they play their home games.
Decent rucks don’t always get sold at ‘a premium’. They get sold at their market value.
This fear of paying overs crap is a lousy excuse for not fixing deficiencies in a list.
Or under their market value, we received pick 44 and 62 for Witts.
Talk about being shafted for the Gold Coasts B&F winner and co captain with the leagues most hit outs in 2019.
What others may not remember is we pretty much did this in the famous qualifying final loss against Fremantle. Dawson Simpson had actually put together a really strong month of football that year and was seriously looking like the long term post-Ottens answer, but broke his leg and was out for the year. This was also the year that Hawkins was having major problems with his back, ultimately being a late withdrawal for the final.
So you need a key forward to go with Podsiadly (who was running on fumes by this stage) and two potential rucks to at least try to make things tough for Sandilands. Instead of bringing in Trent West, who'd found his way in the dog house but could at least compete, he went with Blicavs and a young Nathan Vardy (who actually should have played up forward: they went with Josh Walker who predictably was overwhelmed and did nothing).
Trent West wasn't a star and he wasn't going to be in our best players against Fremantle, but he was a premiership ruckman. He could make Sandilands work. The ruck pairing they went with got absolutely destroyed by Lobbe and Hale so you can imagine what Sandilands in the prime of his career did to them: it was an open invitation to thump the ball 30m in any direction he chose at every ball up and it was arguably the difference that day.
Talk about not owning it and de facto chucking others under the bus. Really disappointing.Chris Scott "There was an argument either way, on balance my opinion, and I'm one of umm... about 6 or 7 people that have a say in it, I think yeah.. over the next 24 hours my assessment is we should have played him."
Does anyone else find this part funny? There's a selection panel but at the end of the day you are the head coach pal.
Personally I think their list is not a premiership list and they have done well to make Top 4 let alone minor premiers. If they won the flag it would be the weakest team to do say I can remember
As a Hawk fan it really should not be in my DNA to try and defend Chris Scott but, here it goes ....
After last year's elimination final loss to Melbourne, most footy fans would have had Geelong tumbling down the ladder in 2019. Then, when the fixture was released, presenting the Cats with a nightmare opening six rounds, most footy "experts" were predicting the Cats to quickly enter a rebuild phase. And yet, due to some terrific coaching, pre-season planning and recruitment the Cats somehow surged to the top of the ladder and won the minor premiership! Any Cats fans must have been delighted with that result.
Yes, the coaching department stuffed up badly last Friday by omitting Stanley (and Smith, and Abbott, and Fort and any recognised ruckman for that matter) against the AA ruckman, but they still only lost by less than two goals. If not for some wayward kicking in the last quarter they could have snatched a remarkable come-from-behind victory.
It seems to me that Chris Scott is marked harshly as a coach because of his annoying mannerisms and his continually frustrating babble whenever he speaks to the media, but is not given the credit for some incredible on-field performances.
Whenever the Cats win it is because of the players but whenever they lose it is because of the coach. Interestingly this is in direct contrast to my team ... whenever the Hawks win Clarko gets all the credit but when they lose it it the players' fault. Of course, neither narrative is true.
As a Hawk fan it really should not be in my DNA to try and defend Chris Scott but, here it goes ....
After last year's elimination final loss to Melbourne, most footy fans would have had Geelong tumbling down the ladder in 2019. Then, when the fixture was released, presenting the Cats with a nightmare opening six rounds, most footy "experts" were predicting the Cats to quickly enter a rebuild phase. And yet, due to some terrific coaching, pre-season planning and recruitment the Cats somehow surged to the top of the ladder and won the minor premiership! Any Cats fans must have been delighted with that result.
Yes, the coaching department stuffed up badly last Friday by omitting Stanley (and Smith, and Abbott, and Fort and any recognised ruckman for that matter) against the AA ruckman, but they still only lost by less than two goals. If not for some wayward kicking in the last quarter they could have snatched a remarkable come-from-behind victory.
It seems to me that Chris Scott is marked harshly as a coach because of his annoying mannerisms and his continually frustrating babble whenever he speaks to the media, but is not given the credit for some incredible on-field performances.
Whenever the Cats win it is because of the players but whenever they lose it is because of the coach. Interestingly this is in direct contrast to my team ... whenever the Hawks win Clarko gets all the credit but when they lose it it the players' fault. Of course, neither narrative is true.
Dude you support St Kildawould rather have one flag than support Richmond.
The Eagles will demolish them....The Cats' A game is something to behold and they're able to do it often enough throughout the H&A for which Scott should be applauded. However his failure to have a Plan B when the chips are down, is indefensible. I can't wait to see how they respond against the Eagles. I'm hoping they'll come prepared and learn their lesson from Friday.
So does he....But at the same time I do think he is hard done by.
So does he....
All the head coaches bar one know/understand the buck stops with then.
I'm one of umm... about 6 or 7 people that have a say in it...very weak comment
I am not saying he doesn’t have faults, he clearly does. He isn’t the greatest st public speaking clearly. But he gets a lot more attention then other coaches, and it is purely down to his mannerisms, not his coaching. Hinkley doesn’t get anywhere near the attention in here that Chris Scott gets for instance.
Talk about not owning it and de facto chucking others under the bus. Really disappointing.
Rubbish he was ahead of Grundy then was out injured.He was none of those things when you traded him, he was playing VFL because you have Grundy. Has really blossomed at GCS though.