That's not what's being said at all. Everyone wants this sort of behaviour to cease, but quite simply it is not going to unless both parties recognise their roles in it.
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You are never 'proven innocent' - you are innocent until proven guilty.They were 'cleared' but were never proven innocent,and these latest allegations will probably be the same scenario all over again. Collingwood players cleared, without being proven innocent.
lol, of course not, but people who place responsibility for their safety in the hands of others WILL get punished. Humans have always taken advantage of each other and walking up that alley at night past the group of men dressed like LA gang members will get you robbed. Wearing or carrying expensive gear will provoke the robbery.
Equally a girl out alone, drunk or high who goes home with randoms must see that 'bad guys' might take advantage. Carping on about these guys having the responsibility not to rape is like saying the junkie walking past the empty house with open windows and a killer sound system in full view has the responsibility not to break in, of course he does, but he will anyway.
It never does, its just selling news.
It sure as hell didn't help Milne or his alleged victim.
Lose-lose situation.
Found not guilty then , same deal, same result.
couldn't agree with this more.
if i had a sister, or a daughter who was in this situation - first and foremost, i'd wanna kill the guys involved.
but at some point you have to actually ask her "what the **** were you doing going back with 5 guys at 3am?"
Not sure if its relevant in this particular case though. If she was with her boy"friend" she may have been pretty much dragged into the situation.
well its hard to comment on individual cases without knowing all the details, but i think the general rule still applies.
if her boyfriend is putting her into those situations i'd be questioning her judgement of him, but kicking his ass as well.
one point that i'm not sure people have mentioned yet in the 3AW link:
read into that what you will...
Why do many here detract from this girl supposedly being there with her boyfriend? Therefore I ask, "what were these 5 guys doing to this girl at 3am?"
I think the 'WAGS' got offended because more than a few of them probably chased Footballers at 3am until one of them stuck around.
I'm sure she is re-considering her options. Probably thought she knew him.
Not everyone is great at kicking the asses of those who are bigger and stronger.
I noticed it, and I'm sure those in this thread who are waiting for the facts to emerge before they come to their own conclusions did as well.
They were 'cleared' but were never proven innocent,
What? Do you mean weren't found 'not guilty'?
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Good work by Mitchell. I particuarly like it that he released the names the day after the deputy police comissioner said he was upset names had been circulated online, so of course the obvious thing to do is to announce them on prime time radio. Now that Mitchell has named them, every other media outlet is rushing to publish the story.
I suppose it was going to come out sooner or later. Dare say they will be stuck with this tag for the rest of their careers now, regardless of outcome, much like Milne. Hopefully it'll stop a few Pies supporters from doing the rapist chant at Saints games now...
I suppose it was going to come out sooner or later. Dare say they will be stuck with this tag for the rest of their careers now, regardless of outcome, much like Milne. Hopefully it'll stop a few Pies supporters from doing the rapist chant at Saints games now...
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Agree with Ed on the shock jock:
COLLINGWOOD president Eddie McGuire has labelled Neil Mitchell a "self-appointed, self-important windbag" after the 3AW host named the players interviewed by police regarding a sexual assault.
Premiership player Dayne Beams and teammate John McCarthy have been named as being the players who have been interviewed by police regarding a sexual assault.
Mcguire hit out at radio talk-back host Mitchell at the end of his Triple M breakfast show this morning, after the 3AW broadcaster named the duo on his program this morning.
"Collingwood Football Club, of which I am the president, has not said anything other than it will protect the rights of people," McGuire said.
"Collingwood Football Club and the players involved have openly co-operated with every situation asked of us.
"Neil mitchell is a self-appointed, self-important windbag.
"He talks of fairness? This is the hypocrisy of Neil Mitchell."
McGuire said Mitchell promoted the rights of all people to be equal in the eyes of the law "unless they're someone he wants to name."
"It is damned well irresponsible."
Mcguire also hit out at Mitchell's accusations that media outlets had been threatened with legal action by the club if they revealed the players involved.
"But to put the word 'club threat' (makes it) sound like we're bullies. It is a complete unmitigated lie and misrepresention of (the) situation."
There is more
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-over-named-pies/story-fn3dxity-1225935322578
COLLINGWOOD president Eddie McGuire has labelled Neil Mitchell a "self-appointed, self-important windbag" after the 3AW host named the players interviewed by police regarding a sexual assault.
Premiership player Dayne Beams and teammate John McCarthy have been named as being the players who have been interviewed by police regarding a sexual assault.
Mcguire hit out at radio talk-back host Mitchell at the end of his Triple M breakfast show this morning, after the 3AW broadcaster named the duo on his program this morning.
"Collingwood Football Club, of which I am the president, has not said anything other than it will protect the rights of people," McGuire said.
"Collingwood Football Club and the players involved have openly co-operated with every situation asked of us.
"Neil mitchell is a self-appointed, self-important windbag.
"He talks of fairness? This is the hypocrisy of Neil Mitchell."
McGuire said Mitchell promoted the rights of all people to be equal in the eyes of the law "unless they're someone he wants to name."
"It is damned well irresponsible."
Mcguire also hit out at Mitchell's accusations that media outlets had been threatened with legal action by the club if they revealed the players involved.
"But to put the word 'club threat' (makes it) sound like we're bullies. It is a complete unmitigated lie and misrepresention of (the) situation."
There is more
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-over-named-pies/story-fn3dxity-1225935322578
This particular case has certain elements to it that make it different from the general "stray" example, but it is still useful for people to discuss the broader topic as it needs to be addressed.
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How about you stick to the original quote you know I was responding to, in their own words. It really all continues to make sense then
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They were 'cleared' but were never proven innocent,
your not supposed to be proven innocent, your supposed to be proven guilty.
They were not charged, so they can't be found 'not guilty'.
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