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Geelong's record at KP is 106-14 over the last 15 years.Yes that’s definitely the main reason we are so strong in the home and away season.
Crowd support.
Gameplay, skill, coaching, effort, fitness - they’re all more or less irrelevant.
It’s crowd support.
Geelong's record at KP is 106-14 over the last 15 years.
That includes 2-3 during covid without crowds.
So the true record is 104-11.
90% win rate.
If Geelong played all their home games at MCG or Marvel, how many games would they have won?
Answer the question, give me some analysis. What do you think?And all those wins are from crowd support.
I’m not arguing it im acknowledging it. It’s obviously crowd support.
It’s not player related.
Its probably when Richmond supporters started hating Geelong. Ottens went on to become a triple premiership player and still proudly identifies himself a 'Geelong' man, almost as though Richmond never happenedI remember fans were happy/surprised when Ottens wanted to join. The club found it hard to entice players for a long time.
Answer the question, give me some analysis. What do you think?
They've won 104 games from 115 in front of crowds at KP. How many fewer (if any) if played where all other Vic teams play?
Actually St Kilda haven't beaten Geelong at KP since 1999, losing 11 times in a row but we've beaten you plenty of times at Marvel and MCG (and not just when we were contending either)We host interstate sides at KP and Melbourne based teams who by and large we have dominated over that period: St Kilda, Bulldogs, Melbourne, North Melbourne.
Yes, agreed.We would have won the majority of those games at any of KP, MCG or Docklands during that time.
I'm not, but I think it's a small advantage, that's all. It might be the difference between finishing 2nd and 3rd some years, or 4th and 6th. I wouldn't suggest it's anything more than that. It definitely helps though. But don’t start making out as though our record would be flipped on it’s he
Yeah absolutelyWill there come a point where anyone goes ‘well you know what? They win more at home than anyone, they win more away than anyone, they make the grand final in a season where the games are played in neutral territory, maybe they are just a consistently decent side’?
Actually St Kilda haven't beaten Geelong at KP since 1999, losing 11 times in a row but we've beaten you plenty of times at Marvel and MCG (and not just when we were contending either)
Yes, agreed.
But how many less?
Of those 104 wins, 8 were by 5 points or less.
Do you think KP is worth a goal per game to Geelong?
I'm not, but I think it's a small advantage, that's all. It might be the difference between finishing 2nd and 3rd some years, or 4th and 6th. I wouldn't suggest it's anything more than that. It definitely helps though
Yeah absolutely
But ultimately they've finished top 2 on 9 occasions over the past 15 years, but only made 5 Grand Finals
So they do overachieve in the Home and Away season, or Underachieve in finals relative to Home and away. KP is surely one part of the reason. Not necessarily the whole reason but part of it
Perhaps, and the results suggest Geelong fares worse in finals at the G compared to the same H&A fixtures at the G, from earlier in the same seasons- I’d say we underperform in finals moreso than overachieve in home and away football.
Spot on. And where does culture come from? The bottom, top and middle, i.e., everyone being on the same page. Don't underestimate what Brian Cook will achieve at Carlton, what he achieved at WCE and Geelong. It's why Essendon is an abject disaster, and why Sydney is a shining light.The 'secret' to having sustained success, or getting good players to stay, is summed up in one word, CULTURE.
Essendon once had it, but not for years now.
Carlton lost it a long time ago, but are slowly getting it back.
North Melbourne had it, years ago.
Richmond finally found it after decades.
Hawthorn had/have it. They're certainly in a state of rebuilding at the moment, so time will tell.
Geelong have it.
Sydney have it.
Some clubs are developing it now. How good they get is still up for development & debate.
"Unfair" is subjective in a competition where many teams have various types of advantages and disadvantages
Which ones are fair and unfair?
It definitely helps Geelong.
20 minutes from the Great Ocean Road. Lower cost of living and relaxed beach lifestyle. Or country lifestyle going inland.
Melbourne teams can't compete with that.
Of course, the quiet life isn't for everyone. But it's a nice niche that Geelong can effectively use as a selling point to many players
Answer the question, give me some analysis. What do you think?
They've won 104 games from 115 in front of crowds at KP. How many fewer (if any) if played where all other Vic teams play?
I don't know about unfair, but it's certainly an advantage - some of the best parts of Victoria are down the ocean road.I call it the 'Moggs Creek' factor. Players love to move to Geelong to 'get away from it all.' The big smoke isn't for everyone, which is why Geelong exists. Does this give them an unfair advantage when signing free agencies? It seems like the team is a hotspot for mature players that want that Dangerfield lifestyle for their families.
I think this has definitely helped Geelong stay competitive for so long. They've been able to top up with high-quality, mature FAs on the regular.
Each to their own - a lot of people like to keep themselves entertained.A boring place to live. They sign good players because their culture is the best and always play finals.
If we played all our games at another team's home ground?Geelong's record at KP is 106-14 over the last 15 years.
That includes 2-3 during covid without crowds.
So the true record is 104-11.
90% win rate.
If Geelong played all their home games at MCG or Marvel, how many games would they have won?
Exactly. The advantage we have was leadership that had foresight and strength.What I think certain Melbourne based opposition supporters struggle with is that their clubs sold their souls, leaving their suburban grounds and making Marvel their playing ground. The AFL tried to force Geelong FC to do the same, but the hierarchy at Geelong, led by Brian Cook, recognised Geelong is not in Melbourne and refused to budge. I'm sure clubs like WB, St Kilda, Carlton, and North looked at Geelong standing firm and probably thought, "Did we sign up too quickly?"
I have no idea why a WCE supporter would be grumbling about Geelong's lifestyle factor giving the club an unfair advantage.
Geelong FC is THE only Victorian club that is immersed in a local community that lives and breathes football.