Draft / Priority Picks

[Wizard]

After watching West Coast win they have pretty much lost their chance for a priority pick at the beginning of the draft which is great news for us. They only need to win once more to be out of the PP zone and they play Richmond, Melbourne and us on their run home still.
On the other hand the way we are going i can't see us winning two more games this season which then would mean we would get a PP at the end of the first round (18-20.
So with that we should get 3 picks inside the top 20 this season which is going to be very beneficial.

 

[4n20]

Yeah, it would be good if the Dees started winning a few games.

 

[Wizard]

That ain't going to happen anytime soon mate.

 

[Ogrebait]

I don't think we'll get a PP.

West Coast and Port at Subi, and Melbourne at MCG - very winnable games.

Carlton, Brisbane and Essendon at Subi are possibilities too.

The only ones I'd pencil in as losses would be the away games against Adelaide, the Bulldogs and Geelong.

 

[Sailor]

Firstly we won't get a PP as you have to have two consecutive years with less than 25% wins.
We had too many last year.
And I think the Eagles need to win 6 before they miss out but on tonight's display you would expect them to pick up another two. Unless of course they get out last year's tank.

 

[Jetau]

We will win 3 or so more games. The derby, home games against Brisbane, Carlton and Essendon are all 50/50, and we should beat Melbourne at the G.

Probably 6-16, just like last year.

 

[Dyslexic Emo]

Firstly we won't get a PP as you have to have two consecutive years with less than 25% wins.
We had too many last year.
And I think the Eagles need to win 6 before they miss out but on tonight's display you would expect them to pick up another two. Unless of course they get out last year's tank.

The PP your talking about is the !st round one whereby a team gets 2 picks in the first round, the one we are talking about is the 2nd round one whereby we would get an extra pick at the start of the 2nd round. Like the Eagles got last year ro pick up Swift.

Eagles only need 1 game to miss out on the 1st round PP

 

[mrlukey69]

freo should put pav up for trade and see if use can get a good deal maybe to players for one you need a judd abblet swan etc

 

[Ogrebait]

 

[believe_it]

I don't think we'll get a PP.

West Coast and Port at Subi, and Melbourne at MCG - very winnable games.

Carlton, Brisbane and Essendon at Subi are possibilities too.

The only ones I'd pencil in as losses would be the away games against Adelaide, the Bulldogs and Geelong.

I have fallen into this trap in the past - I may be pessimistic but I think the reality will be different . We are well over half way thru the season with only 3 wins . wc - maybe win port -loss melbourne - loss they will play their best game of the season . One win from calrton bris and essendon

 

[pinkus maximus]

hey wiz have you seen Trengove? He's been talked up in the media of late, sounds like the sort of player we should be after

 

[Ogrebait]

I've only pencilled in the losses believe_it.

I'm not suggesting pencilling in "winnable" games and "possibilities" as wins. I was just rating our chances in those games.

That said, I still think we will win at least 2 of those matches - which will ensure we don't receive a PP.

A club which finishes the season with fewer than five wins may also receive a priority draft pick. A priority pick would give that club a selection prior to the second round.

Source.

 

[Sman-21]

Dont normally condone tanking an think the AFL absolutely must fix the rule that brings the game into disrepute.

I dont want to see us dropping our good players/pretending they have injuries to help make us lose.
There is seriously no point to us winning more than 5 games.
Its the last decent draft, we desperately need some KPP an more good mids.

So any player no matter who should be dropped if they arent performing an replaced with the young guys.
Put players in the roles they will be playing in the future.
So Pav forward young midfielders in midfield.

I didnt think we could afford to tank last year because we still had such a crap culture meaning lack of effort week in week out.
Through drafting an swinging the axe its really starting to look like Harvey has just about rectified that situation.
An except for this weeks game our effort since round 4 has been great to see an with more experience they should be able to do it for 4 quarters not just 2-3 each week.

Its an absolute disgrace that due to the AFL's stupid rules we are better off losing than winning.
An it brings the game into disrepute by having teams coaches/staff actually trying to do things to sabotage their chances of winning over the final few rounds of season.
The players will always try an win no matter what thats why coaches when defending tanking always say how can you say we are tanking no player goes out there not wanting to win, once they hit that field they do everything in their power to get the win, we dont tell them not to try because we dont want to win.

Unfortunately i too think we will win 2-3 more games but im actually hoping we dont how ****ed is that im sad when we lose but i still want them to lose to get this prioritypick.
Thanks AFL

 

[E Shed]

I don't think we are much chance to win many of the games we have left. Of the ones we probably should, Melbourne have the wood on us, particularly on the G where, as we proved today, we suck a big one. Port play Subi well and have beaten us the last few times across, The Eagles are due for a derby, Brissy are flying as are Essendon. Carlton we are maybe a chance but they will be threatened with hot pokers up the clacker if they don't get the points this week.
Realistically with Pav, Rodger, Jonno, Rhys, Mayne etc sitting in the stands we simply can't put enough class / grunt out there to threaten anyone at the moment. We will be doing well to remain competitive.
As has been mentioned it would be great to see The Dees & Richmond win a few so we get pick 2. I don't want us to lose, I want to win every week, I just don't think we can.

 

[Keys]

Moo

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Where are you?

There is a thread that needs your expert attention.

 

[Moo]

Moo

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Where are you?

There is a thread that needs your expert attention.

Sure - point out the threads that condone tanking and I am all over them.

I see one that may qualify ...a long way short of what was happening on the Eages board.

Dont normally condone tanking an think the AFL absolutely must fix the rule that brings the game into disrepute.

I dont want to see us dropping our good players/pretending they have injuries to help make us lose.
There is seriously no point to us winning more than 5 games.

One extra pick is not going to undo the damage of more games like today.

I have no doubt that winning another 2 or 3 games will do far more for the develpoment of our club than taking an extra Suban or Ballanytne type.

I agree after today we may not have the actual skill set to get there, especially if Pavlich is out, however we must try to win every game we possibly can. We are fortunate in that playing our young kids also represents our greatest chance of winning.

 

[jinxd]

Firstly we won't get a PP as you have to have two consecutive years with less than 25% wins.
We had too many last year.
And I think the Eagles need to win 6 before they miss out but on tonight's display you would expect them to pick up another two. Unless of course they get out last year's tank.

Hmm... not according to the AFL website...unless I'm missing something?

How it works:
In simple terms, the NAB AFL Draft is designed to give clubs which finished lower on the ladder the first opportunity to pick the best new talent in Australia. At season's end, all clubs are allocated draft selections. The club that finished last receives the first selection, the second last team gets the second selection and so on until the premier receives the 16th selection. This is called a round of selections. A club which finishes the season with fewer than five wins may also receive a priority draft pick. A priority pick would give that club a selection prior to the second round. The drafting process takes place between seasons and has four distinct phases: the trading (exchange) period, NAB AFL Draft, NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft and NAB AFL Rookie Draft.

REF: http://www.afl.com.au/development/n...am/nabafldraft/about/tabid/13514/default.aspx

 

[Scham]

Hmm... not according to the AFL website...unless I'm missing something?


REF: http://www.afl.com.au/development/n...am/nabafldraft/about/tabid/13514/default.aspx

So he was wrong on both points...

We will get a PP if we win less than 5, and the EGirls won't if they win 5 or more (one more win).

The only difference is, if we get a PP it'll be after rd 1, if the EGirls get one it'll be befoere the first rd.

Now I get it (I think)- thanks jinxd.

 

[Kram]

I want to win games of football, I don't give a **** if end up on 5.

 

[PapaJ]

And here we are again, where fans of underperforming teams have their desire for wins on a weekend compromised buy the f****d AFL picks system

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The only ones I'd pencil in as losses would be the away games against Adelaide, the Bulldogs and Geelong.

I think you can pen the last two in, and keep the eraser well out of reach for the Adelaide one too.

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Realistically with Pav, Rodger, Jonno, Rhys, Mayne etc sitting in the stands we simply can't put enough class / grunt out there to threaten anyone at the moment. We will be doing well to remain competitive.
As has been mentioned it would be great to see The Dees & Richmond win a few so we get pick 2. I don't want us to lose, I want to win every week, I just don't think we can.

That's it EShed, I don't think we're going to have the muscle to get things done even if the system was different. As it is, there is the added thing that, as the season progresses, there will be a lot less incentive to get some of those guys rushed back in to strengthen our side - and rightly so, I don't want Pav risked on a gorne season only to take months off the end of his career.

 

[PapaJ]

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I have no doubt that winning another 2 or 3 games will do far more for the develpoment of our club than taking an extra Suban or Ballanytne type.

I agree after today we may not have the actual skill set to get there, especially if Pavlich is out, however we must try to win every game we possibly can. We are fortunate in that playing our young kids also represents our greatest chance of winning.

You make a good case Moo, I would especially say that of the Melbourne game. It is quite possible that Melb will have everything to play for (a win at that stage may well make no difference to their PP) and we will have good reason to loose (we could well be in a position where a win will give us 5 for the season), but to win with a young side at the MCG would do the group so much good ... but the consolation in loosing (that extra pick) must psychologically undermine the club overall

 

[silverscope]

... but the consolation in loosing (that extra pick) must psychologically undermine the club overall

And thats why come this time a year, someone is always "tanking" for picks apparently... its flawed in that if you win games you lose an advantage come draft time, and a pretty big one at that too.

 

[Moo]

And thats why come this time a year, someone is always "tanking" for picks apparently... its flawed in that if you win games you lose an advantage come draft time, and a pretty big one at that too.

I dont think a lot of teams tank.

This year - most clubs down the bottom are just shyte or are playing kids.

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

i agree moo, the fact is, is that richmond, melbourne, us, north melbourne and west coast are just shizen, yes it will benefit us to get more draft picks, but with the injuries that we have, on top of the fact that we still have 6-8 players who are sub-wafl players.... i dont think we are tanking, we are just playing kids...... honestly i want to win, but i really think we need the picks... i would hate to be richmond at the moment, relying on richo, cousins, bowden.... having had johnson retire, and having drafted a load of duds.... i think the tiges and north are in the worst position of the lot of us

another point, people seem unhappy with thafl draft system... i think it is quite fair. yes it sucks that it is more advantageous for us to lose (draft pick wise), but i cant see how you can make it more equitable... i mean if you bring in a lottery for the first 8 picks and you are melbourne, and you get 8th pick 3 years in a row after coming last each year, that isnt fair either.... i actually seem to be in the minority that likes the draft system

 

[The Night Shift]

I think they should introduce the lottery with the top picks, like they do in the NBA, who introduced the lottery to deal with this very problem that we're talking about in this thread.
I believe a mid season draft/trade period would be a great idea for the league, especially with more teams coming in...
Thirdly, might as well start free agency...