DT 2011 Forwards Thread

[bulldogsman]

Any thoughts on Jack Anthony??

It would seem that Freo might play Pav through the middle again a bit this year and he looked in pretty good touch on Sunday.

At $220k definately could go up a good $100k and be a good 7th fwd although consistancy could be an issue.

Would not even think about it. When he comes up against good opposition... he barely gets a touch and I can't see it changing. Just doesn't have enough tricks up his sleeve to go with his lack of height and size for a KP. By the look of the draw he'll be up against some good full backs early on too...

Mark Williams is a better bet given his pre season and intra club game IMO (not that I would pick him). 60K cheaper too.

 

[Chicharito]

Hi guys I'd like some opinions please.

I have 382k exactly to spend on a forward and I'm not sure who to go with.

I currently have Franklin, Sylvia, N.Riewoldt Petrie Krakouer Mzungu (Richardson Matera Callinan)

Do I spend basically all my cash and go with Pavlich who is a proven performer?
Do I leave about 40k spare and go with Higgins who is a gun and may be underpriced, but is injury prone?
Do I go even cheaper and with for a genuine mid-pricer in Morton who finished last season brilliantly, which if he continues he's a certainty for a very handy price rise?
Do I go really cheap and risky and go with Knights who is a huge risk but potentially huge reward? That would leave me with 160k in the bank, but I'm happy with the rest of my team at this stage so that would stay in the bank.

I usually like leaving 50k-100k spare in the bank at the start of the season but if there is a year to break that trend, I feel that this year is the one.

Are there any better options out there? If yes, who are they? If no, who do you think I should go for?

Thanks guys.

 

[Papa Juggs]

Higgins looks good value at $341k.

Could be a good pick if he isn't injured.

There really isn't much there you can expect 80+ av from.

Might even be worth picking 5 premiums due to a real lack of decent midpricers unless we can be assured there's gonna be plenty of non-GC rookies getting a game in Rd1.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Should be rephrased as "if higgins doesnt get injured rather than if he isnt injured.

Im considering that structure becoz i dont rate the midpricers much in the forwards. The only ones i rate are or am confident on are petrie and knights. Petrie would be selected in the rucks with this structure aswell and 1 rookie in the forwards seem ideal for the quality there.

 

[Papa Juggs]

Considering all the forward premiums aren't 450k+ like last year I think more premiums can be done.

Didak is just over 400k

SJ, Silvia, Riewoldt, Pav and Browny are all under 400k

I guess that's thanks to the horrible year for forwards in 2010. All these players cost a bit more last time around.

Gia isn't worth 380k with his inconsistancy. One of the only forwards you will be paying over the odds for I reckon.

How about RoK? Will he bounce back to 2009 type scoring? Might be getting to the age where its better to leave him out.

 

[Wheedus]

Considering all the forward premiums aren't 450k+ like last year I think more premiums can be done.

Didak is just over 400k

SJ, Silvia, Riewoldt, Pav and Browny are all under 400k

I guess that's thanks to the horrible year for forwards in 2010. All these players cost a bit more last time around.

Gia isn't worth 380k with his inconsistancy. One of the only forwards you will be paying over the odds for I reckon.

How about RoK? Will he bounce back to 2009 type scoring? Might be getting to the age where its better to leave him out.

Bit worried about ROK - breaks the 30 rule if you select him. Then again so do Goodes and Lenny Hayes. Upside for ROK is he has durability and Swans are good selections if you're going for the League win.

 

[Jolldo87]

Bit worried about ROK - breaks the 30 rule if you select him. Then again so do Goodes and Lenny Hayes. Upside for ROK is he has durability and Swans are good selections if you're going for the League win.

The 30 rule is complete rubbish. Each situation should be judged on its own merit.

Look at Brent Harvey last year, Brad Johnson and Matthew Richardson a couple of years ago etc....

 

[Wheedus]

The 30 rule is complete rubbish. Each situation should be judged on its own merit.

Look at Brent Harvey last year, Brad Johnson and Matthew Richardson a couple of years ago etc....

Agree. That's why I mentioned Hayes.

Just got burnt by Lockyer last year. Bit gun shy this season.

 

[Borgsta]

Gee Higgins looks primed for a big year. His injuries are always scary though..... I will probably select him to start with if he remains uninjured during the PS.

On JBrown, doesn't he usually start the year slowly?

 

[DB10]

how many people are starting with Didak?

I'm a little worried and turned off by the relatively major off-season surgeries and his slower start to pre-season. of course he'll be playing in round 1 but I'd think his scoring will be affected by it. I had been thinking of starting with someone else and using Didak as an upgrade target once he is fit and firing by ~round 8 or so.

 

[The Made Guy]

Gee Higgins looks primed for a big year. His injuries are always scary though..... I will probably select him to start with if he remains uninjured during the PS.

On JBrown, doesn't he usually start the year slowly?

Not last season. He started off going BANG!, as did the Lions. Then Reiwoldt went down, and many people traded him out and brought Brown in. That was the cue for Brown to get injured and basically not score a point for the rest of the year .

I've had Higgins in two of the past three years. He's burned me both times. He's at a tempting price, but no thanks. I have the same concerns with Grimes in the backline.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Still got to worry majorly about Higgins and his injures and illness problems over the past years. He not only has illness but injuries as well and both are reoccuring types. IIRC it was something to with a thyroid gland or something involving thyroid made him sick last year and this is supposibly reoccuring and can come back.

His injures well they all evolve around hips, groins, hamstrings ect ect. All which are very much reoccuring and hard to play with just ask SJ and Juddy. I also see the dogs not improving much but im still undecided on that, i think i have them finishing 5th or 4th again. Hes always ear marked every year for midfield time but never seems to get it come real season simialr to that of Gia, they end up playing majority forward. This is mainly due the strength and the doggies seem to have a midfield that has yet to shown they can play other positions well eg: real true midfielders (Cross, Boyd mainly, even Cooney now IMO, Griffen also becoming this way). Now they also have Wallis and Liba but unsure how many games they will get but if played i think they will play onball straight up as they are very natural to this position like D.Beams did in his first year a bit.

Also if he maintains or pushes his avg to the higher 80's he could be one of those players that just never avgs enough but you have to keep as hes not worth wasting a trade on.

J.Brown can start slowly but also start firing aswell, i wouldnt really use this as a reason not to pick him. He could be fairly unique but a poor team and ageing body doesnt stack up too well for him.

I dont think Didaks injury would hurt his preseason to much, its shoulder/pectoral from what i heard so running and doing cardio stuff still wouldve been on the cards i would think. Collingwood fan who knows may have to let us know about this, but id still think the club would want him to train after the christmas break IIRC collingwood started pre season in december so they probably didnt worry with an older player like him till after chrissy. But since than id expect him to be doing cardio and fitness.

I like Didak as a pick, nice unique and i think has upside looing at his past 2 years. Midfield helps him, but saying that i think he will be more of a forward, will still play midfield time and rack em up but. The only problem is with the collingwood players (Swan, Pendles, Krakouer, Jolly, Reid, Sidebottom, Didak) all players ive considered so far, when is it to many. Can only really have 3 between your mids and forwards IMO.

 

[Blue Dimension]

Interesting to note the vast majority of teams being posted have Callinan as a cash cow on their benches. At this stage I do also but considdering many Adelaide supporters don't believe he is in the best 22... this worries me a bit.

I'm sort of hoping some other guys pop up in the next few weeks that give me more confidence to pick them.

 

[HolyRioli]

Interesting to note the vast majority of teams being posted have Callinan as a cash cow on their benches. At this stage I do also but considdering many Adelaide supporters don't believe he is in the best 22... this worries me a bit.

I'm sort of hoping some other guys pop up in the next few weeks that give me more confidence to pick them.

The scenario smacks of Podsiadly last year, which makes him an attractive early option. (Very) mature age recruit brought in to help out a forward line that misfired last year. Not a lot we can do for now, if he isn't named in Round 1 I suspect a lot of people will jump off.

 

[Taylor]

The commentary team working the dogs matches over the weekend remarked that, when fit, Higgins is in the top 15 players in the competition.

Still got to worry majorly about Higgins and his injures and illness problems over the past years. He not only has illness but injuries as well and both are reoccuring types. IIRC it was something to with a thyroid gland or something involving thyroid made him sick last year and this is supposibly reoccuring and can come back.

And now for some medical input: Thyroid patients are known to present with tendonitis and most of the injuries Higgins has had, excluding the break, have been "managable". Which in my opinion means the teams physio therapists are massaging the muscle body to release the load on the tendons, which are fatiguing because of the thyriod problems. If he had a genuine muscular tissue tear, he wouldn't be playing at all.

Now, you need to decide whether the club has known about his thyroid problem for a while and unsuccesfully managed it, OR if they have finally got a diagnosis, have developed a treatment plan and everything else associated with it (his injuries) could be a thing of the past.

He looked pretty good on the weekend.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

The commentary team working the dogs matches over the weekend remarked that, when fit, Higgins is in the top 15 players in the competition.



And now for some medical input: Thyroid patients are known to present with tendonitis and most of the injuries Higgins has had, excluding the break, have been "managable". Which in my opinion means the teams physio therapists are massaging the muscle body to release the load on the tendons, which are fatiguing because of the thyriod problems. If he had a genuine muscular tissue tear, he wouldn't be playing at all.

Now, you need to decide whether the club has known about his thyroid problem for a while and unsuccesfully managed it, OR if they have finally got a diagnosis, have developed a treatment plan and everything else associated with it (his injuries) could be a thing of the past.

He looked pretty good on the weekend.

So can the thyroid disease return or come back?? doc

How many people will jump off I.Callinan if he isnt named round 1?? after last year people will be second guessing themselves and this is where luck plays its role. IMO hes best 22 because hes ready to go, did well in NAB games and is a small crumbing forward which the crows lack and can help with Porpz pushing into the midfield which is where i believe he should now be playing with all the older crows gone.

 

[bulldogsman]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-him-a-headstart/story-e6frf9jf-1226009763752

Higgins does say he has to monitor it every few months which suggests the illness could come back. He also says he will be playing midfield and half forward.

 

[WCE_Phill]

My forward line consists of

Franklin, Didak, Sylvia, SJ, Morton,Zaharakis, Krakouer (Matra, Richo, Callinan)

Morton/Zaharikis to Gamble and (Premium or cash) or leave as is?

 

[dewey13]

My forward line consists of

Franklin, Didak, Sylvia, SJ, Morton,Zaharakis, Krakouer (Matra, Richo, Callinan)

Morton/Zaharikis to Gamble and (Premium or cash) or leave as is?

Would suggest Zaha over Gamble.

Brad Green v Sylvia c J Brown? Who can be trusted, Was Green's year a one off? Sylivia too up and down? Brown to injury prone?

 

[mezaire]

Posting this here as he is my fwd's, is anyone gone off Petrie due to his rd.1 suspension??

With 2 GC players also missing in rd. 1 in my fwd's it will mean I will have no fwd cover in rd.1.

Could swap a rookie mid for fwd but then I would have no mid cover for rd. 1.

Oh how I love DT!!!

 

[borrat]

Still got to worry majorly about Higgins and his injures and illness problems over the past years. He not only has illness but injuries as well and both are reoccuring types. IIRC it was something to with a thyroid gland or something involving thyroid made him sick last year and this is supposibly reoccuring and can come back.

His injures well they all evolve around hips, groins, hamstrings ect ect. All which are very much reoccuring and hard to play with just ask SJ and Juddy. I also see the dogs not improving much but im still undecided on that, i think i have them finishing 5th or 4th again. Hes always ear marked every year for midfield time but never seems to get it come real season simialr to that of Gia, they end up playing majority forward. This is mainly due the strength and the doggies seem to have a midfield that has yet to shown they can play other positions well eg: real true midfielders (Cross, Boyd mainly, even Cooney now IMO, Griffen also becoming this way). Now they also have Wallis and Liba but unsure how many games they will get but if played i think they will play onball straight up as they are very natural to this position like D.Beams did in his first year a bit.

Also if he maintains or pushes his avg to the higher 80's he could be one of those players that just never avgs enough but you have to keep as hes not worth wasting a trade on.

J.Brown can start slowly but also start firing aswell, i wouldnt really use this as a reason not to pick him. He could be fairly unique but a poor team and ageing body doesnt stack up too well for him.

I dont think Didaks injury would hurt his preseason to much, its shoulder/pectoral from what i heard so running and doing cardio stuff still wouldve been on the cards i would think. Collingwood fan who knows may have to let us know about this, but id still think the club would want him to train after the christmas break IIRC collingwood started pre season in december so they probably didnt worry with an older player like him till after chrissy. But since than id expect him to be doing cardio and fitness.

I like Didak as a pick, nice unique and i think has upside looing at his past 2 years. Midfield helps him, but saying that i think he will be more of a forward, will still play midfield time and rack em up but. The only problem is with the collingwood players (Swan, Pendles, Krakouer, Jolly, Reid, Sidebottom, Didak) all players ive considered so far, when is it to many. Can only really have 3 between your mids and forwards IMO.

perfect upgrade i.m.o after round 13 he will more than likely be in for me

hopefuly might be able to straight swap say a callinan or smith

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

perfect upgrade i.m.o after round 13 he will more than likely be in for me

hopefuly might be able to straight swap say a callinan or smith

I must give you credit for you optimistic outlook but that is a massive call

Didak priced around 100, can only see him scoring the same and being fairly consistant. I actually think he could even improve just no room for him in my team, although strongly considering him now as he could provide some uniqueness. Has produced some big scores past few years. Callinan (80k rookie) and Smith (didnt look anything special in NAB). I might have allowed for Krakouer and Mzungu or maybe even Richardson who look much better but even than that is very optimistic.

I need to look at his preseason and see how much that may have affected his fitness and his consistency over the past 2 years especially last year as he should play the same role. Does he stil produce low scores and become a much cheaper option.

 

[The Edukator]

How would you rate the strength of this forward line?

P.Chapman L.Franklin N.Riewoldt
M.Pavlich J.Brennan A.Krakouer R.Gamble

T.Mzungu J.Lamb I.Callinan

but lets ignore the bench players and only consider those starting on the field, unless you think starting one of the bench players would be more beneficial

 

[Tippaz]

How would you rate the strength of this forward line?

P.Chapman L.Franklin N.Riewoldt
M.Pavlich J.Brennan A.Krakouer R.Gamble

T.Mzungu J.Lamb I.Callinan

but lets ignore the bench players and only consider those starting on the field, unless you think starting one of the bench players would be more beneficial

strong on paper but...
- Chapman/Franklin/Pavlich/Mzungu all have the bye in the same round, leaving you with a guaranteed donut in rd6
- Brennan has 2 byes within first 9 rounds

 

[The Edukator]

How would you rate the strength of this forward line?

P.Chapman A.Didak N.Riewoldt
M.Pavlich J.Brennan A.Krakouer R.Gamble

T.Mzungu J.Lamb I.Callinan

but lets ignore the bench players and only consider those starting on the field, unless you think starting one of the bench players would be more beneficial

strong on paper but...
- Chapman/Franklin/Pavlich/Mzungu all have the bye in the same round, leaving you with a guaranteed donut in rd6
- Brennan has 2 byes within first 9 rounds

Okay Thanks for that. What if i swapped Didak for Franklin then.

Would you say the FWD line will get significantly weaker if i removed Chapman for Didak instead of Franklin?