EDFL Premier Division

[Canplaythisguy]

You may be right, but saying from a 'reliable source' automatically raises doubts. Kovac is staying Keilor from what I've heard (from him). Could understand Anderson and Hicks returning as many close mates playing for EDS this season. Hicks couldn't get a kick and got dropped from 2015 campaign so not sure how much help he would be and he asks for a hell of alot more cash than his worth.
EDS need to turnover plenty of players just to compete with APW, Marby and West Coburg let alone even get in the picture with the Stathmore, AH, PV, Keilor and GV. They should be putting their energy into players 23 and under and attempting to build towards something. Strong club off the field and an excellent coach is a good start. There is plenty of very talented footballers not at the club in this age bracket that have played approx 40 games or more and would help with points cap.

I think your post is 100% spot on. But eds have 13 players that have played senior footy regularly that are under 22. Hold onto them who knows if Cronin kite sciberas stay. Shylo is only 25. The list to me needs key post players and 2 gun on ballers. With some experience. I think eds are in a better position than airport west and west coburg. Purely by the youth.

There is plenty of youth. All u/23
Thompson, calvaresi, Prestia, Jensen, day, rogers, Thomas, Anderson, Ellard, Ntalianis, rossitto, Barnes, ronaldson

 

[puffpuffgivemo]

You may be right, but saying from a 'reliable source' automatically raises doubts. Kovac is staying Keilor from what I've heard (from him). Could understand Anderson and Hicks returning as many close mates playing for EDS this season. Hicks couldn't get a kick and got dropped from 2015 campaign so not sure how much help he would be and he asks for a hell of alot more cash than his worth.
EDS need to turnover plenty of players just to compete with APW, Marby and West Coburg let alone even get in the picture with the Stathmore, AH, PV, Keilor and GV. They should be putting their energy into players 23 and under and attempting to build towards something. Strong club off the field and an excellent coach is a good start. There is plenty of very talented footballers not at the club in this age bracket that have played approx 40 games or more and would help with points cap.

No mention of Abers, how will teams handle the bye in Premier with a 9 team comp?

 

[bigj639]

Hey mate, think if try played the majority of there juniors at a club they return for 1 point. Other than that they attract an extra point for changing clubs within 2 years or winning the goal kicking or top 3 in B&F. Well something like this.

Some stupid things with the player points allocated:
-Why is goal kicking worth an extra point, yet a gun key back is not worth extra.
-VFL development players are rated to high. Understand if they have played maybe 10-20 senior games but if not they are overrated. It's a shame because it disadvantages the player as a club will baulk at this and they might be restricted to going back to their home club.

This points system will see coaches asking for more $$ or clubs need to employ ( and pay) a footy manager going forward.

This is the real issue with the points system. It creates more issues than it solves. And once again we are working from the premise that everybody should be penalized if they have success. The points system is a solution looking for a problem. The reality is that no club dominates for ever. Aberfeldie built a brilliant team this year, who didn't enjoy watching them play the game. Their first flag in 40 years, they were 12-6 in 2014. I mean just because of their success this year does that mean it will happen every year? Vermont won 9 flags in 11 years in the late 80s and 90s then won 4 in five years in the late 2000s but haven't won since 2009. Heidelberg played in 10 GFs in 11 years but finished 8th this year. The EDFL has been sharing premierships around so no club can claim to be totally dominant.

 

[bigj639]

This is the real issue with the points system. It creates more issues than it solves. And once again we are working from the premise that everybody should be penalized if they have success. The points system is a solution looking for a problem. The reality is that no club dominates for ever. Aberfeldie built a brilliant team this year, who didn't enjoy watching them play the game. Their first flag in 40 years, they were 12-6 in 2014. I mean just because of their success this year does that mean it will happen every year? Vermont won 9 flags in 11 years in the late 80s and 90s then won 4 in five years in the late 2000s but haven't won since 2009. Heidelberg played in 10 GFs in 11 years but finished 8th this year. The EDFL has been sharing premierships around so no club can claim to be totally dominant.

The other point I will make is who asked for this system in the first place? It certainly wasn't any of the top clubs who asked to be hamstrung by these ridiculous rules. Its the poorly run, poorly performed clubs who cry and moan about whats fair and what isn't. Typical of the AFL they respond with this pitiful system designed to make everything equal. In essence they have rewarded shit clubs for being shit. How can this help the game when you change the rules to promote mediocrity. There is no reward for being good, just penalty. However if you are useless...oh well lets discriminate against successful clubs because you have no idea how to get better.

 

[Turbos mail]

No mention of Abers, how will teams handle the bye in Premier with a 9 team comp?

Welcome back PuffPuff.

 

[BlueJet]

The other point I will make is who asked for this system in the first place? It certainly wasn't any of the top clubs who asked to be hamstrung by these ridiculous rules. Its the poorly run, poorly performed clubs who cry and moan about whats fair and what isn't. Typical of the AFL they respond with this pitiful system designed to make everything equal. In essence they have rewarded shit clubs for being shit. How can this help the game when you change the rules to promote mediocrity. There is no reward for being good, just penalty. However if you are useless...oh well lets discriminate against successful clubs because you have no idea how to get better.

I think that you'll find that the top clubs actually embrace it, Abers, Greenvale, Keilor etc will still be strong under the new system.
It's the clubs that have recruited the majority of their senior squads at the expense of creating pathways for their juniors that'll struggle.

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[Turbos mail]

This is the real issue with the points system. It creates more issues than it solves. And once again we are working from the premise that everybody should be penalized if they have success. The points system is a solution looking for a problem. The reality is that no club dominates for ever. Aberfeldie built a brilliant team this year, who didn't enjoy watching them play the game. Their first flag in 40 years, they were 12-6 in 2014. I mean just because of their success this year does that mean it will happen every year? Vermont won 9 flags in 11 years in the late 80s and 90s then won 4 in five years in the late 2000s but haven't won since 2009. Heidelberg played in 10 GFs in 11 years but finished 8th this year. The EDFL has been sharing premierships around so no club can claim to be totally dominant.

I do agree with you on this. BUT the only thing us footy followers don't like to see is a side clearly streets ahead of the other 9 clubs. Yes it's a credit to them and they deserve it no doubt. But for the betterment of the competetion we need to bring them back a bit. Just not sure if that is the right or how to do it.
Having a 1 sided grand final was not good for our league IMO and also the WRFL grand final was even worse. That league is becoming a joke and not sure why players with any talent would play there.
The other thing is Abers didn't have many players missing from there best 22 except Johns to my knowledge so this played a significant part also. Think Abers are a very good side but the likes of Graham, McLean & Blackwell have just given them that extra polish and were probably the difference from being a good side to a very good side. Take those 3 out and it probably evens out a bit IMO. They just smash you in the clearances and all strong bodies.
It will be interesting to see if Abers continue to recruit big name players or stick with there current crop and work in there juniors coming through, as they did win the 18s as well. This will be the big question as they are in a very good position going forward.

Now this points system also affects juniors coming out of 18s as they are limited to where they can go. I'm not for poaching junior talent, but if a kid wanted to move for more opportunities they now carry points. So less chance of clubs chasing them. Ummm is this good or bad?? This to me is an interesting one..Great for clubs that have GOOD junior talent and willing to give them opportunities but not good for the kids who don't get opportunity and play reserves yet are GOOD enough to play seniors but held back.. I do state the word good enough as premier is a good standard and games should not be just given out.

 

[Turbos mail]

I think that you'll find that the top clubs actually embrace it, Abers, Greenvale, Keilor etc will still be strong under the new system.
It's the clubs that have recruited the majority of their senior squads at the expense of creating pathways for their juniors that'll struggle.

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BlueJet, let's wait and see shall we. Abers & Keilor played off in the 18s GF and let's see how many of these juniors are seen as in the clubs best 30 players (let alone best 22) when reviewing playing rosters for 2016. How many juniors have been signed to contracts? This is where clubs will need to be creative and take some risks for the better of the club but still continue to challenge for finals.

Let's be honest Keilor and Greenvale have good size areas to draw juniors from and neighbour clubs are in lower divisions so they attract them in. Abers have done well mainly though contacts and a school (Ess/Keilor Coll) close.
It's the other clubs that struggle for that quality and quantity of players although Strathmore do seem to have a few schools (Strathmore high and primary schools) around the area as well.

Not an even playing field mate, but we all try and do our best to stay competitive for club supporters and the greater footy community.

 

[bigj639]

I do agree with you on this. BUT the only thing us footy followers don't like to see is a side clearly streets ahead of the other 9 clubs. Yes it's a credit to them and they deserve it no doubt. But for the betterment of the competetion we need to bring them back a bit. Just not sure if that is the right or how to do it.
Having a 1 sided grand final was not good for our league IMO and also the WRFL grand final was even worse. That league is becoming a joke and not sure why players with any talent would play there.
The other thing is Abers didn't have many players missing from there best 22 except Johns to my knowledge so this played a significant part also. Think Abers are a very good side but the likes of Graham, McLean & Blackwell have just given them that extra polish and were probably the difference from being a good side to a very good side. Take those 3 out and it probably evens out a bit IMO. They just smash you in the clearances and all strong bodies.
It will be interesting to see if Abers continue to recruit big name players or stick with there current crop and work in there juniors coming through, as they did win the 18s as well. This will be the big question as they are in a very good position going forward.

Now this points system also affects juniors coming out of 18s as they are limited to where they can go. I'm not for poaching junior talent, but if a kid wanted to move for more opportunities they now carry points. So less chance of clubs chasing them. Ummm is this good or bad?? This to me is an interesting one..Great for clubs that have GOOD junior talent and willing to give them opportunities but not good for the kids who don't get opportunity and play reserves yet are GOOD enough to play seniors but held back.. I do state the word good enough as premier is a good standard and games should not be just given out.

The problem is we are looking at one year and basing changes around what happened in 2015. It was not the case in years gone by and wont be the case in the future. Its the problem with a knee jerk reaction to what is perceived to be a problem rather than an actual problem. The worm always turns and no side stays successful for ever.

 

[Abers]

The problem is we are looking at one year and basing changes around what happened in 2015. It was not the case in years gone by and wont be the case in the future. Its the problem with a knee jerk reaction to what is perceived to be a problem rather than an actual problem. The worm always turns and no side stays successful for ever.

But isn't the points system something being brought in by AFL Victoria across all leagues, rather than something being introduced by the EDFL? So it has nothing to do with the results of the season just gone.

 

[bigj639]

Totally agree its the exact point I made in a comment yesterday....However trying to punish success with caps and punitive systems is still the height of stupidity. BTW - Isnt the system voluntary anyway...so if there are no penalties for clubs breaching this points system bullshit, whats the use of it in the first place?

I think that you'll find that the top clubs actually embrace it, Abers, Greenvale, Keilor etc will still be strong under the new system.
It's the clubs that have recruited the majority of their senior squads at the expense of creating pathways for their juniors that'll struggle.

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[bigj639]

Totally agree its the exact point I made in a comment yesterday....However trying to punish success with caps and punitive systems is still the height of stupidity. BTW - Isnt the system voluntary anyway...so if there are no penalties for clubs breaching this points system bullshit, whats the use of it in the first place?

I think that you'll find that the top clubs actually embrace it, Abers, Greenvale, Keilor etc will still be strong under the new system.
It's the clubs that have recruited the majority of their senior squads at the expense of creating pathways for their juniors that'll struggle.

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[BlueJet]

Totally agree its the exact point I made in a comment yesterday....However trying to punish success with caps and punitive systems is still the height of stupidity. BTW - Isnt the system voluntary anyway...so if there are no penalties for clubs breaching this points system bullshit, whats the use of it in the first place?

Again, they aren't punishing success, in this comp anyway the successful clubs will still be strong and the poorly run clubs will still struggle.
What it'll encourage is the development of clubs overall and limit the occurence of clubs simply buying the majority of a side.
Realistically, a culture of inclusion will help with junior numbers a lot more than having a bunch of fringe afl/vfl players ever will.

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[bigj639]

Again, they aren't punishing success, in this comp anyway the successful clubs will still be strong and the poorly run clubs will still struggle.
What it'll encourage is the development of clubs overall and limit the occurence of clubs simply buying the majority of a side.
Realistically, a culture of inclusion will help with junior numbers a lot more than having a bunch of fringe afl/vfl players ever will.

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Of course they are...this system is saying we are going to place limitations on who can play for you...that's a punishment, its certainly not an incentive.

 

[BlueJet]

Of course they are...this system is saying we are going to place limitations on who can play for you...that's a punishment, its certainly not an incentive.

Yet funnily enough the successful clubs arent exactly whinging about it..
What it does do is put an end to the arms race that local footy has become, it's placing the onus on the clubs to foster and develop their own.


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[mickdundee]

You are all kidding yourselves and wasting your time.
Abers if they retain all the players will win again next year.
The others are just making up the numbers.
Deer Park have bought the last 3 premerships as well pretty boring !!!!!!
Will the point system make any difference ? Maybe in the long run .
Maybe a better way to even the competion is to give the bottom teams a start with the point system and recruiting eg the bottom team gets 10 points more than the top team , second last 9 points , 3rd last 8 points etc etc if you know what I mean.


Congratulations to Abers but really my granma could have coached them to win the premership this year !!!

 

[bangfrom50]

You are all kidding yourselves and wasting your time.
Abers if they retain all the players will win again next year.
The others are just making up the numbers.
Deer Park have bought the last 3 premerships as well pretty boring !!!!!!
Will the point system make any difference ? Maybe in the long run .
Maybe a better way to even the competion is to give the bottom teams a start with the point system and recruiting eg the bottom team gets 10 points more than the top team , second last 9 points , 3rd last 8 points etc etc if you know what I mean.


Congratulations to Abers but really my granma could have coached them to win the premership this year !!!

If Mal Michael's not your granma then I 100% agree with you

 

[Turbos mail]

With regards to criticism of big Mal, surely we agree the 2015 side will go down in history as one of the best sides put together. Much better than the side coached by Mal.
I'm not saying Mal was the best coach (as only the club can gauge that) but agree the 2015 side coached themselves IMO. What can you say to Graham, McLean, Blackwell & co. Let's not forget Pataks grunt work.
I'm sure Mal put in a lot of effort and can take pleasure in seeing the final rewards.

Let's judge Potter on if he brings through the youth and as BlueJet puts it, embraces the system going forward. Time will tell but his done a good apprenticeship through the VFL!!

 

[milkman99]

With regards to criticism of big Mal, surely we agree the 2015 side will go down in history as one of the best sides put together. Much better than the side coached by Mal.
I'm not saying Mal was the best coach (as only the club can gauge that) but agree the 2015 side coached themselves IMO. What can you say to Graham, McLean, Blackwell & co. Let's not forget Pataks grunt work.
I'm sure Mal put in a lot of effort and can take pleasure in seeing the final rewards.

Let's judge Potter on if he brings through the youth and as BlueJet puts it, embraces the system going forward. Time will tell but his done a good apprenticeship through the VFL!!

Mal had the best list on paper two years in a row & when you go out & say about 5 words @ each break & have no control over ego's who will play their own game instead of sticking to a game plan if he had one, he can't coach doesn't matter if you have won 3 AFL flags doesn't automatically make you a good coach

 

[Turbos mail]

Mal had the best list on paper two years in a row & when you go out & say about 5 words @ each break & have no control over ego's who will play their own game instead of sticking to a game plan if he had one, he can't coach doesn't matter if you have won 3 AFL flags doesn't automatically make you a good coach

Fair enough mate, as you seem close to it all. But the 2015 list is much better than previous years, don't you agree. I think this list was outstanding and really didn't see a weak link.
I would be interested to understand how a club like Abers would appoint a coach that didn't speak well or motivate players. But what's done is done I suppose.

 

[milkman99]

Fair enough mate, as you seem close to it all. But the 2015 list is much better than previous years, don't you agree. I think this list was outstanding and really didn't see a weak link.
I would be interested to understand how a club like Abers would appoint a coach that didn't speak well or motivate players. But what's done is done I suppose.

Abers were probably lucky Mal stood down because l'm pretty sure he was going to get reappointed & who knows what would of happen in 2015 but well done to them they had a amazing season & finally got the chocolates

 

[twobobsworth]

Totally agree its the exact point I made in a comment yesterday....However trying to punish success with caps and punitive systems is still the height of stupidity. BTW - Isnt the system voluntary anyway...so if there are no penalties for clubs breaching this points system bullshit, whats the use of it in the first place?

They are not punishing success, they are punishing the extreme imbalance in the money spent on players. Clubs that are successful, well coached, well administrated etc etc will still be successful and will find their way to the top of the tree for those reasons instead of excessive payments. Perhaps you are one of the players getting paid overs that might have to take a pay cut ??

 

[g-unit]

Mick Tanner and Luke Cartelli to Keilor

 

[Canplaythisguy]

Mick Tanner and Luke Cartelli to Keilor

Along with galea. Keilor looking ominous.

 

[Two Planks]

EDFL website advertising for applications for the 2016 version of The Recruit. Anybody want to throw up some names who would be a chance.