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It's taken me 36 hours to come to terms with things, but I've finally gotten there and now can write something with a clear head.

To start off with, I said I'd be happy with a close prelim final loss, and for once, I can at least say that. Usually we get smashed in a prelim final, but this time at least, we seemed in it up to our necks. This is without our leading goal scorer, and players with under 50 games experience in Kelly, Miers, Atkins, Rata, Henry, O'Connor and Narkle, playing tonight. Now that's not to say that I'm not bitterly disappointed, as we could have definitely pinched a flag this year ala Bulldogs '16 and Tigers '17. With that said, I think our strong start masked our eventual output. I think we were more a Top 6 side this year, reflected in our loss to Collingwood which could easily have been a win, and our win over the Eagles during the Rioli controversy (which could easily have been a loss). Only Richmond and GWS have looked a class above at most stages this season (when they've had a full squad to pick from). We had moments, but only when other sides were down.

This loss gutted me at the time, but after cooling down and getting some perspective, it's actually pretty remarkable we went from 8th last year to minor premiers and one half away from a Grand Final. Not that it doesn't burn, but we exceeded everyone's expectations this year. We were never really 'dominant', which is a thing I think a lot of posters forget. In games against the Dogs at KP, Sydney at KP and Adelaide at KP, we were dominated in large patches. Class like Kelly, Danger, Duncan, Stewart etc. rose to the top in those games, but we were never belting sides that we were favourite against. Even St Kilda at home late in the season, we still only beat them by 20 points. Even then that was close until the last 10 minutes. We only beat Collingwood in Round 1, because they missed so many set shots in the 2nd, and then we capitalised on ours. We also only won so many games early on in the season, because of our accuracy from minimal inside 50's (I think it was like close to 50% of entries resulted in a goal, which was off the charts). This coupled with our focus on 1 on 1's in the pre-season, meant that we essentially got a 'jump' on the competition. Once the bye rolled around, teams had started figuring us out, and slowly but surely our scoring dried up.

I also think that upon revisiting some moments in the match, that Blics down back may have quelled Lynch, but would not have stopped Prestia. He was key, and he was who we needed to shut down. Unfortunately, Guthrie had some soreness, which I saw late in the second. As a result, that meant he was taken out of the centre and thrown forward for large patches, and then down back late when we were under immense pressure. This coupled with Danger getting a knock and Ablett looking like he was playing sore, meant that Parfitt, Menegola, Narkle, Kelly and Sel, were our only mids. Up against Prestia, Cotchin, Martin, Edwards (who had a huge third quarter) and Lambert, we were just hopelessly outclassed. That seemed to be what showed towards the end.

These aren't excuses, rather an explanation to questions I myself asked, along with others following the conclusion of the match. It's a tough pill to swallow, but with Hawkins out, and no run from Duncan, Clark, Rohan or an injured Guthrie, we just couldn't keep up with their frenetic pace and their goal-scoring output. This coupled with our inability to hit targets under pressure, meant that we couldn't play our game either. This meant that we got shallow forward 50 entries, which lead to Houli rebounding alongside Vlaustin, Baker, Edwards etc. This led to our defence being under immense pressure, and the Tigers getting heaps of their goals that way. Scott is right about this one, when he said that the Tigs aren't 'complicated.' They do score most of their goals from the back half, much like Adelaide in 2017. If you can lock it in and bring it to ground deep in your forward line, then your defence can setup and put pressure to stop them getting it back out. Too many times we put it 40 out, and a Prestia or Edwards, Castagna, Lambert type would burst out and create a 'chaos ball' through the centre. That's how we lost, and I doubt Blicavs could have really stopped that.

With all this said, it'll take a long while from me to recover from this one, but I'll be back pre-season to go through it all over again, as I have since I first remember seeing Ablett Snr play in 1993.

Will leave us with a possible Round 1 team for next year (all players being fit and having a good pre-season), including depth and likely retirements/trades (makes me feel better looking at this, so might be good some of you guys too).

B: Stewart, Blicavs, Henry
HB: Tuohy, Kolo, O'Connor
C: Duncan, Sel, Clark
FO: Stanley, Danger, Constable
HF: Menegola, Hawkins, Dahl
F: Rohan, Ratugolea, Miers
INT: C. Guthrie, Kreuger, Steven, Cockatoo (Parf or Narkle if still not ready)

Depth: Narkle, Henderson, Fogarty, Parfitt, Bews, Atkins, Parsons, Fort,

Likely delistings, retirements or trades: T. Kelly, Ablett, Taylor, Scooter, Smith, Abbott, Buzza, Cunico, Jones (9 spots on list available)

With 13 and 22 from Kelly deal at a minimum (decent) draft picks that we'll hold will be: 13, 15, 22, 33 and 51. Hopefully Steven can get fit, but he's still just an interchange at best player with his current fitness, not starting 18. can draft 4-6, pick up Steven and maybe a couple of other decent trades (ruck and key defender would be nice).

Have us finishing 5-8 next year, but who knows after this year. Looking forward to seeing lots of games for Kreuger and Constable, and a debut for Okunbor and maybe Tarca.

Bring on 2020 and go GIANTS!!!
 
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It's taken me 36 hours to come to terms with things, but I've finally gotten there and now can write something with a clear head.

To start off with, I said I'd be happy with a close prelim final loss, and for once, I can at least say that. Usually we get smashed in a prelim final, but this time at least, we seemed in it up to our necks. This is without our leading goal scorer, and players with under 50 games experience in Kelly, Miers, Atkins, Rata, Henry, O'Connor and Narkle, playing tonight. Now that's not to say that I'm not bitterly disappointed, as we could have definitely pinched a flag this year ala Bulldogs '16 and Tigers '17. With that said, I think our strong start masked our eventual output. I think we were more a Top 6 side this year, reflected in our loss to Collingwood which could easily have been a win, and our win over the Eagles during the Rioli controversy (which could easily have been a loss). Only Richmond and GWS have looked a class above at most stages this season (when they've had a full squad to pick from). We had moments, but only when other sides were down.

This loss gutted me at the time, but after cooling down and getting some perspective, it's actually pretty remarkable we went from 8th last year to minor premiers and one half away from a Grand Final. Not that it doesn't burn, but we exceeded everyone's expectations this year. We were never really 'dominant', which is a thing I think a lot of posters forget. In games against the Dogs at KP, Sydney at KP and Adelaide at KP, we were dominated in large patches. Class like Kelly, Danger, Duncan, Stewart etc. rose to the top in those games, but we were never belting sides that we were favourite against. Even St Kilda at home late in the season, we still only beat them by 20 points. Even then that was close until the last 10 minutes. We only beat Collingwood in Round 1, because they missed so many set shots in the 2nd, and then we capitalised on ours. We also only won so many games early on in the season, because of our accuracy from minimal inside 50's (I think it was like close to 50% of entries resulted in a goal, which was off the charts). This coupled with our focus on 1 on 1's in the pre-season, meant that we essentially got a 'jump' on the competition. Once the bye rolled around, teams had started figuring us out, and slowly but surely our scoring dried up.

I also think that upon revisiting some moments in the match, that Blics down back may have quelled Lynch, but would not have stopped Prestia. He was key, and he was who we needed to shut down. Unfortunately, Guthrie had some soreness, which I saw late in the second, and that meant he was taken out of the centre and thrown down back late when we were under immense pressure. This coupled with Danger getting a knock and Ablett looking like he was playing sore, meant that Parfitt, Menegola, Narkle, Kelly and Sel, were our only mids. Up against Prestia, Cotchin, Martin, Edwards (who had a huge third quarter) and Lambert, we were just hopelessly outclassed. That seemed to be what showed towards the end.

These aren't excuses, rather an explanation to questions I myself asked, along with others following the conclusion of the match. It's a tough pill to swallow, but with Hawkins out, and no run from Duncan, Clark, Rohan or an injured Guthrie, we just couldn't keep up with their frenetic pace and their goal-scoring output. This coupled with our inability to hit targets under pressure, meant that we couldn't play our game either. This meant that we got shallow forward 50 entries, which lead to Houli rebounding alongside Vlaustin, Baker, Edwards etc. This led to our defence being under immense pressure, and the Tigers getting heaps of their goals that way. Scott is right about this one, when he said that the Tigs aren't 'complicated.' They do score most of their goals from the back half, much like Adelaide in 2017. If you can lock it in and bring it to ground deep in your forward line, then your defence can setup and put pressure to stop them getting it back out. Too many times we put it 40 out, and a Prestia or Edwards, Castagna, Lambert type would burst out and create a 'chaos ball' through the centre. That's how we lost, and I doubt Blicavs could have really stopped that.

With all this said, it'll take a long while from me to recover from this one, but I'll be back pre-season to go through it all over again, as I have since I first remember seeing Ablett Snr play in 1993.

Will leave with a possible Round 1 team for next year (all players being fit and having a good pre-season), including depth and likely retirements/trades (makes me feel better looking at this, so might be good some of you guys too).

B: Stewart, Blicavs, Henry
HB: Tuohy, Kolo, O'Connor
C: Duncan, Sel, Clark
FO: Stanley, Danger, Constable
HF: Menegola, Hawkins, Dahl
F: Rohan, Ratugolea, Miers
INT: C. Guthrie, Kreuger, Steven, Cockatoo (Parf or Narkle if still not ready)

Depth: Narkle, Henderson, Fogarty, Parfitt, Bews, Atkins, Parsons, Fort,

Likely delistings, retirements or trades: T. Kelly, Ablett, Taylor, Scooter, Smith, Abbott, Buzza, Cunico, Jones (9 spots on list available)

With 13 and 22 from Kelly deal at a minimum (decent) draft picks that we'll hold will be: 13, 15, 22, 33 and 51. Hopefully Steven can get fit, but he's still just an interchange at best player with his current fitness, not starting 18. can draft 4-6, pick up Steven and maybe a couple of other decent trades (ruck and key defender would be nice).

Have us finishing 5-8 next year, but who knows after this year. Looking forward to seeing lots of games for Kreuger and Constable, and a debut for Okunbor and maybe Tarca.

Bring on 2020 and go GIANTS!!!
Great, measured post👍👍👍
 
Good post, and agree with 08, absolute misery as we were so far the best team that year, but not so this year. The top spot fell in our laps in rd 23 (yes, we were on top all year)but really all teams down to #6 were as good or better than us, and #7 beat us as well.
Unless we get to the GF, we do not deserve to be there.
When we were flying this year, GWS made us look ordinary. I recall thinking they would not be great to meet at a more neutral larger venue like the G.
WCE have been up and down all year, and we pipped them; a very good result. But Pies were way better than us 2weeks ago. They ran out of legs in the last Q, and made us look closer.And it seems Richmond has every team's measure.

Have we won a single game this year (or any year for that matter) on our merits or is it always a case of the opposition being under prepared, off their game, too many injuries, or any other reason you can come up with to play down any win we have.

Oh yeah, and GWS didn't make us look ordinary, they got home in the last ten minutes after trailing all day, and this is the side you were spruiking earlier in the year as the team to beat, that is before you jumped on WCE, then Pies then Tigers.
 

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Yeah but they're on the big money, they have the power to pick the team and position the players.
People spend their money on all this and these guys carn't handle being called out for another disappointing result.
Typical of GFC leadership altogether to precious they're just not up to it.

I agree, as long as the criticism is constructive. That also goes for the “earning big money so they should be able to take it” argument. Many of us here probably earn decent $ but I know I would probably fall in a heap if I copped a fraction of what they cop each week in my workplace.

There we go again...I’m back on my high horse [emoji12]
 
Good post, and agree with 08, absolute misery as we were so far the best team that year, but not so this year. The top spot fell in our laps in rd 23 (yes, we were on top all year)but really all teams down to #6 were as good or better than us, and #7 beat us as well.
Unless we get to the GF, we do not deserve to be there.
When we were flying this year, GWS made us look ordinary. I recall thinking they would not be great to meet at a more neutral larger venue like the G.
WCE have been up and down all year, and we pipped them; a very good result. But Pies were way better than us 2weeks ago. They ran out of legs in the last Q, and made us look closer.And it seems Richmond has every team's measure.

By every statistical measure, including champion data, official afl ratings and the squiggle, the Cats were (at times comfortably) the best team in the comp.
To the point Champion Data had the Cats as the ONLY Premiership credentialed team in the finals.
 
Disgusting to read about the behaviour of some of our supporters:


I hope it’s not from supporters on this board.

It is truly disgusting. It would be even worse if Carter bothered to offer an example of what he means.

Perhaps he received something like the following:

Dear Colin,

We are not worthy to follow this great club, and prostrate ourselves before yourselves and the People's Democratic Republic of Geelong Football Club. However we must meekly offer some ideas that occurred to some apostates after Friday night, after which of course we sent them off for special punishment:

1. Some fans may be slightly perturbed by blowing a 4th Preliminary Final in 7 seasons.
2. Although fans obviously recognise our Dear Leader Scott as a supreme genius, it may be worth asking why one of our best key defenders wasn't played in defence for the entire finals series.
3. Fans of course must bow and scrape before Dangerfield as we are not worthy to have him in our team, but it asking too much for him to turn up when he pressure goes up? Otherwise we might start thinking he's just a little bit full of himself and not fully team oriented.
4. Mark Blicavs has turned into a pretty reliable key defender and might have been useful there Friday night. But he is effective as a potato in any other position in the ground which has actually been shown in finals before. Perhaps not on the wing when a key forward is killing us?

I understand this may cause tremendous distress to you Comrade Carter and some fans. Not because of any important things like logic, facts, and reason, but instead because ..............feelings.

Well, feck your feelings. Start worrying about producing football good enough to actually reach a Grand final (particularly after you finish home and away in top spot), and spend less time insulting the fans you're so keen to relentlessly fleece money from.

Regards,
Your Devoted Servants.
 
Go in with half a team consisting of tall defenders and let Lynch kick 5 goals.

Some of those kicks to Lynch noone was going to stop him from making.
We stop scoring in the second half.
Needed to hold strong at the start of the third quarter, Didnt happen.
 
Fuuuu our players need to look for the best option going forward.
In the third Q can't remember who it was with the ball but danger calls for the ball deep forward.
Gaz was free 25 meters out straight in front .

I know danger tries to do it all but he was in no agood spot to mark the ball.

We needed a goal at the time too.

It happened right in front of me aswell.
 
By every statistical measure, including champion data, official afl ratings and the squiggle, the Cats were (at times comfortably) the best team in the comp.
To the point Champion Data had the Cats as the ONLY Premiership credentialed team in the finals.
Fair enough.
In my 57 years of watching footy, Richmond, who I detest, was easily the BEST team I saw this year in the business part of the year, and ongoing.
We certainly were 11=1, no disputes there.
How, why we can't explain, because it certainly did not carry on "when it counted"
 
Fair enough.
In my 57 years of watching footy, Richmond, who I detest, was easily the BEST team I saw this year in the business part of the year, and ongoing.
We certainly were 11=1, no disputes there.
How, why we can't explain, because it certainly did not carry on "when it counted"

Oh I agree, subjectively I felt the Cats best was the best, but we couldn't consistently put it together like Richmond could.
Which was what cost us the game too.
I was just pointing those stats out.
 
Have we won a single game this year (or any year for that matter) on our merits or is it always a case of the opposition being under prepared, off their game, too many injuries, or any other reason you can come up with to play down any win we have.

Oh yeah, and GWS didn't make us look ordinary, they got home in the last ten minutes after trailing all day, and this is the side you were spruiking earlier in the year as the team to beat, that is before you jumped on WCE, then Pies then Tigers.
Does that include on our dung-hill?
Or only at neutral or away venues.
Because allegedly all our wins at Geelong are tarnished.
But to answer your post, both wins v Crows, v NM 2x, (just), v Blues, v Saints, v Swans 2x, v WCE final
Some of our other many wins were perhaps opportunistic. CS has said that himself, so don't act as if this is my theory. He said the second half year would see a balancing out, and that's what happened.
I know we have to win games to get to finals, but don't get obsessed about the results out of context. ie finishing top is merely an entry into the big ring. What you do with that afterwards... the rest is history, and we finish above where most would have predicted we would.
 

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Agree, but when I heard him say that I thought it was a classical political diversion. Creating outrage but away from the main point. That being we tanked again under CS, and what the fu** is going to be done about it.

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Sending personal letters to the players, coaches and officials with abusive and 'disrespectful' personal comments is definitely not the Geelong way, I agree with Colin Carter. You claim this is a diversion? How bizarre! "Creating outrage..." Carter did not create it, it was created by infantile, cretinous, pretend Geelong followers whose aim is to spread poison and cowardly attack people who had the appalling misfortune to be part of the failure of the moron's favorite footy team.

Tanking is deliberately losing in order to gain benefits such as high draft picks, do you have evidence to support your claim?
 
Sending personal letters to the players, coaches and officials with abusive and 'disrespectful' personal comments is definitely not the Geelong way, I agree with Colin Carter. You claim this is a diversion? How bizarre! "Creating outrage..." Carter did not create it, it was created by infantile, cretinous, pretend Geelong followers whose aim is to spread poison and cowardly attack people who had the appalling misfortune to be part of the failure of the moron's favorite footy team.

Tanking is deliberately losing in order to gain benefits such as high draft picks, do you have evidence to support your claim?

Carter was asked about fan discontent and instead of addressing the question he deflected to condemn a bunch of idiots who send in abuse. I have no idea why so much time is being spent discussing how the abuse is wrong. Of course it is. But that isn't the issue that is just how Carter is reframing the question.
 
Yeah but they're on the big money, they have the power to pick the team and position the players.
People spend their money on all this and these guys carn't handle being called out for another disappointing result.
Typical of GFC leadership altogether to precious they're just not up to it.
Sending personal letters to players, coaches and officials containing abuse and absurd suggestions is disrespectful but you claim it is regular! You are too precious to handle your footy team losing a game. It is only a game! Abusing someone at their home because your toy is broken shows the infantile nature of a tiny minority with loud screaming, little boy brat voices claiming to be Geelong supporters.
 
Carter was asked about fan discontent and instead of addressing the question he deflected to condemn a bunch of idiots who send in abuse. I have no idea why so much time is being spent discussing how the abuse is wrong. Of course it is. But that isn't the issue that is just how Carter is reframing the question.
No he did not. He addressed those issues. He also pointed out that a tiny minority of idiots were sending private messages to certain players, coaches and officials over a period of weeks, containing abuse and disrespectful comments. Why are you trying to cover this up?
 

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I agree, as long as the criticism is constructive. That also goes for the “earning big money so they should be able to take it” argument. Many of us here probably earn decent $ but I know I would probably fall in a heap if I copped a fraction of what they cop each week in my workplace.

There we go again...I’m back on my high horse
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If you put yourself up there ( leader) then you either perform or get out.
"Tall Poppy syndrome" is just a cop out by those who would claim it to deflect their own short comings. Th
Sending personal letters to players, coaches and officials containing abuse and absurd suggestions is disrespectful but you claim it is regular! You are too precious to handle your footy team losing a game. It is only a game! Abusing someone at their home because your toy is broken shows the infantile nature of a tiny minority with loud screaming, little boy brat voices claiming to be Geelong supporters.

I doubt that's actually happening, might be 1 or two but Fairdinkum!
Gee they need to get serious, pathetic, just go on holidays to Europe, give me a break.
 
No he did not. He addressed those issues. He also pointed out that a tiny minority of idiots were sending private messages to certain players, coaches and officials over a period of weeks, containing abuse and disrespectful comments. Why are you trying to cover this up?

I'm not trying to cover it up. IT ISNT THE ISSUE! It can exist separately to fan discontent that doesn't come in the form of abuse.

He didn't address the issue he deflected to the abuse that you are currently fixating on.
 
If you put yourself up there ( leader) then you either perform or get out.
"Tall Poppy syndrome" is just a cop out by those who would claim it to deflect their own short comings. Th


I doubt that's actually happening, might be 1 or two but Fairdinkum!
Gee they need to get serious, pathetic, just go on holidays to Europe, give me a break.
You should listen to the interview with the Geelong President. You doubt that it is happening? maybe one or two? How could you know?
 
'Corporate' style response. Not entirely unexpected for them to close ranks. From a business point of view they will see this season as another success. 'There or therabouts'.
Maybe our new club motto :think:

We play the game as it should be played....
Stand up and fight, remember our tradition..
Stand up and fight like hell.....
 

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