Opinion George Horlin-Smith - where is he at?

[Partridge]

See him a bit like Vardy, in Geelong's interest to keep him, but if an offer comes in and they are keen to go, we will take what we are offered and do right thing by player.

Compo will be poor, but then we didn't pay much for Zac Smith did we?

Difference is there is zero negotiating power with Vardy. He can do what he likes.

 

[Go Hoops]

Where's he at - probably Richmond now the Balmester is there.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

No different to Daniel Menzel, Lincoln McCarthy, Josh Cowan, Nathan Vardy, Hamish McIntosh, Dawson Simpson, and Mitch Clark. Everyone loves to be an expert. Afterwards.

Posters are right or wrong about certain players - i called Henderson a hack and said he would be the worst recruit since Mitchell White - i was totally wrong

However " David The Cat " about 3 years ago had a thread title - who wont make it ( all supporters obviously want everyone to make it ) and i nomnated GHS

The reason being - HES SO SLOW - he is even so slow getting the ball onto his boot

Stringer Sherringham Scroeder Burbury Hogan and others all didnt make it - but they wernt as slow as him

Thats his fundamental problem to make it as an AFL player - he is terribly slow - he cant help that - but how can he improve that - he cant

 

[Partridge]

Posters are right or wrong about certain players - i called Henderson a hack and said he would be the worst recruit since Mitchell White - i was totally wrong

However " David The Cat " about 3 years ago had a thread title - who wont make it ( all supporters obviously want everyone to make it ) and i nomnated GHS

Regarding the bolded, I wouldn't be so generous.

 

[rocker_oz33]

He played a great game on JPK a year or two ago..Or was that longer.
He's pure mid only can't play else where in the AFL.
He's slow yep snails pace slow,but seems to be a slow thinker you can't be both in the AFL.
Maybe I've forgotten how he plays,been awhile since I've seen him at AFL level.

 

[Whit3y]

However " David The Cat " about 3 years ago had a thread title - who wont make it ( all supporters obviously want everyone to make it ) and i nomnated GHS

you were not the only one bill

 

[Art Vandelay_]

People will be on the ghs bandwagon until he is delisted. The same as those who were on the mitch brown, simon hogan and george burbury bandwagon (yes even he had a bandwagon). Invested too much in the belief he can be a player and refuse to admit they were wrong. A bit sad really.

Kinda the reverse of you and Blicavs really

 

[Catsmaninamerica]

He played a great game on JPK a year or two ago..Or was that longer.
He's pure mid only can't play else where in the AFL.
He's slow yep snails pace slow,but seems to be a slow thinker you can't be both in the AFL.
Maybe I've forgotten how he plays,been awhile since I've seen him at AFL level.

This is fiction.

He's actually too slow to play as an afl mid. Slow in leg speed, but also in his decision making. At Vfl level, he's elite. But that step up in pace kills him. The ONE spot he's consistently - to me anyway - looked like he might be a player, is as a specialist forward pocket/Half forward. He has good hands and can find the goals. His pace won't hurt him as much down there either.

The reality is that for those convincing themselves he just needs Bartel to retire - he's behind Lang, cockatoo, Smedts, parsons, Murdoch, gregson (remember him?) plus whoever we draft or trade in this year potentially. If he was "next line" - he would have played before Menegola and scooter.

And I have a feeling he will be used in a trade this year. There's an ex Cat desperate to come home, and his current club have had a couple of midfielders leave.

 

[Seeds]

Sad? It's called opinion and support. Everyone has favourites - some mainstream, some out of left field.

There's nothing sad about that. It's the nature of football.

Its a failure of human cognition that we refuse to accept reality when our judgement is proven incorrect. Our conscious mind prefers to defend our own initial positions rather than accept reality. I see that as incredibly sad. I suffer from it like everyone else. I was on the GHS bandwagon at one point. But fell off quite a while ago now when it became obvious that his strengths werent good enough to offset his big weaknesses. Some have invested more time in the GHS bandwagon then i did and refuse to accept it is off the rails. Ofcourse i could be suffering from the same cognition error in reverse. But i dont have anything invested in GHS being a bad footballer. Atleast i hope not.

 

[Seeds]

Kinda the reverse of you and Blicavs really

Possible yes.

 

[Seeds]

No different to Daniel Menzel, Lincoln McCarthy, Josh Cowan, Nathan Vardy, Hamish McIntosh, Dawson Simpson, and Mitch Clark. Everyone loves to be an expert. Afterwards.

What do you mean by afterwards? Dont understand the point you are making as i dont get the context with which you are using that word?

 

[cats2rise]

Its a failure of human cognition that we refuse to accept reality when our judgement is prooven incorrect. Our conscious mind prefers to defend our own initial positions rather than accept reality. I see that as incredibly sad. I suffer from it like everyone else. I was on the GHS bandwagon at one point. But fell off quite a while ago now when it became obvious that his strengths werent good enough to offset his big weaknesses. Some have invested more time in the GHS bandwagon then i did and refuse to accept it is off the rails. Ofcourse i could be suffering from the same cognition error in reverse. But i dont have anything invested in GHS being a bad footballer. Atleast i hope not.

Unsure if the 'judgement' has been proven incorrect thus far.

I believe next season is the 'nail in the coffin' year if he doesn't get games.

The club obviously note something of worth - otherwise why did he sign a 3 year contract last year?

 

[barmy44]

What do you mean by afterwards? Dont understand the point you are making as i dont get the context with which you are using that word?

thought the context was rather obvious - 'hindsight is 20/20'.

my own view is fairly aligned with that of partridge... people on here make black and white predictions all the time. those that hit are shouted about as 'prescience borne of good old fashioned footy knowledge'; misses are quickly forgotten/glossed over.

sort of like a john edwards 'cold reading'... everyone gasps when he hits on 'robert says hello', ignoring the misses as he cycled through every other name beginning with A through Q.

 

[TheYid]

I like GHS.

My friend's son is a VFL umpire and says that GHS is "a jet" and is a real leader on the field. Says he's very professional (actually he says Geelong are a team with great on field culture in general- no sass directed to umps). Says he can't understand what he's doing in the VFL. The guy simply can't break in.

Also, I met the guy once. Nice, polite and decent kid.

Personally, I think he will walk to a lesser club this year. Good luck to him and if he instead stays they had better give him a go - at least in the forward line. I reckon he will do ok.

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

I like GHS.

My friend's son is a VFL umpire and says that GHS is "a jet" and is a real leader on the field. Says he's very professional (actually he says Geelong are a team with great on field culture in general- no sass directed to umps). Says he can't understand what he's doing in the VFL. The guy simply can't break in.

Also, I met the guy once. Nice, polite and decent kid.

Personally, I think he will walk to a lesser club this year. Good luck to him and if he instead stays they had better give him a go - at least in the forward line. I reckon he will do ok.

More like a Lancaster bomber than a jet

 

[dazbroncos]

More like a Lancaster bomber than a jet

So.. Like a workhorse, incredibly durable, a leader of the pack, reliable in a crisis, not flashy or expensive but always gets the job done.

A good choice of analogy... I'd agree.

Go. Catters

 

[Pollywaffle]

More like a Lancaster bomber than a jet

More like a Gloster meteor up against F16s

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

He played a great game on JPK a year or two ago..Or was that longer.
He's pure mid only can't play else where in the AFL.
He's slow yep snails pace slow,but seems to be a slow thinker you can't be both in the AFL.
Maybe I've forgotten how he plays,been awhile since I've seen him at AFL level.

Reminds me of Jimmy Toumpas. Perhaps he might a home at Port.

 

[ChookNorris]

He played a great game on JPK a year or two ago..Or was that longer.
He's pure mid only can't play else where in the AFL.
He's slow yep snails pace slow,but seems to be a slow thinker you can't be both in the AFL.
Maybe I've forgotten how he plays,been awhile since I've seen him at AFL level.

His jpk game was similar to Taylor hunt on Marc Murphy. Amazing, but definitely an outlier.

 

[rocker_oz33]

His jpk game was similar to Taylor hunt on Marc Murphy. Amazing, but definitely an outlier.

Yup.
Both blue moons on their careers.

I thought THunt would make a serviceable wingman....

 

[rocker_oz33]

Reminds me of Jimmy Toumpas. Perhaps he might a home at Port.

He reminds me of Ellen .

 

[rocker_oz33]

Unsure who was else was on the table when they called for Georgie.

But I reckon we stole from our forwards to pay our mids.
SJ,Chappy,stokes..left our forward bear like mother-cupboards cupboards.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

See him a bit like Vardy, in Geelong's interest to keep him, but if an offer comes in and they are keen to go, we will take what we are offered and do right thing by player.

Compo will be poor, but then we didn't pay much for Zac Smith did we?

Vardy and Kersten are out of contract so we have no say in it (and I suspect in Vardy's case the club is not that fussed whether they keep him or not), Horlin Smith has 2 years to run on his contract and is much more highly rated than the other two for his leadership skills. So a move will only come if he forces it. Even then he is a useful backup player in a flag window, unlike say Vardy he has been outstanding at vfl level this year and if Joel or Scooter or Menegola were injured he would probably get picked and do a good job, just his lack of versatility counts against him. I would say it's probably going to take a pick in mid to late 20s for us to be prepared to move him (even if he is not worth that much) whereas due to the contract situation someone like Kersten will get us less despite having played more senior footy this year.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

So 5 days until trade period concludes should George seek greener pastures?
It's becoming more apparent to me that not even Bartel out would see him in our best side. turns 24 in December and stuck on less than 50 games.

Personally, I think he should seek a fresh start, a team like Gold Coast would give him more games than we can or will.
If he waits until the end of his contract as some on here think will occur (i.e contracted so won't be traded) then he'll be 26 merely months after that contract expires. Only played 8 games in 2 seasons, only 1 in 2016.

Are his fortunes going to drastically improve in 2017, I am doubtful.
I think a clean slate would benefit him.

 

[hokee]

So 5 days until trade period concludes should George seek greener pastures?
It's becoming more apparent to me that not even Bartel out would see him in our best side. turns 24 in December and stuck on less than 50 games.

Personally, I think he should seek a fresh start, a team like Gold Coast would give him more games than we can or will.
If he waits until the end of his contract as some on here think will occur (i.e contracted so won't be traded) then he'll be 26 merely months after that contract expires. Only played 8 games in 2 seasons, only 1 in 2016.

Are his fortunes going to drastically improve in 2017, I am doubtful.
I think a clean slate would benefit him.

Totally agree. He would be a useful player in other teams but no future at Geelong. A 3rd round pick would be a win/win situation