Rumour GFC 2023 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt II

[cats_09]

Yep, this is making an appearance here also, and probably getting more useful as the season draws to a close and this discussion ramps up

 

[Hinkley29]

You're kidding, right?

Yep

 

[Hamingja]

Fair to say that Melbourne's team of the 20th century was dominated by players from their 6-flag golden era in the 50s and 60s.

Probably the one you missed though is Robbie Flower. He was a superstar in a very poor team in the 70s and 80s.

Other gun players for them before the current team might include Greg Wells, Todd Viney, Greg Healy and Brian Wilson (who like Shane Woewodin won a Brownlow playing for Melbourne, which is one more Brownlow than any of Gawn, Oliver or Petracca have won).

Some stars of the game also played for the Dees even though they made their names elsewhere like Gerard Healy (Sydney), Peter Moore (Collingwood - also won a Brownlow playing for the Dees), Carl Ditterich (St Kilda) and Kelvin Templeton (Footscray).

Flower before my time. I was looking at players 90s on that I saw play. Todd Viney good footballer, but I would have him in the James Kelly category as opposed to an all time great of a club.

 

[D BRIDGE]

Would North trade 14 + 19 to us for our 7?

If we were looking to accrue points to forward to GC for #4 if they made that trade it would put us in the box seat to snag #4..you

GC's 4 = 2034pts

Our 7 = 1644pts
Norths 14 + 19 = 2109pts
Dogs 10 + 17 = 2420pts

If we got Norths 14 + 19 and added on say pick 30 (Sav pick guess) that would give us more than the Dog 10 + 17 package (Dogs could add more though if really keen).

14, 19 and 30 = 2738pts

Essentially #7 + Sav's bounty for #4 which should give us one of Sanders or McKercher.

The key would be getting Norths 14 + 19 for our 7... which seems a possibility to me.

Maybe instead of this year's 19 it would be better for GC to get next year's North compo that they can trade back into this year after some bids... + North really should be trading it as it'll be under review if they don't.

Ahhh so many options but trading up is a chance if required to get a player we really like.

P.S I'm assuming this kinda stuff will be done live on draft night to make sure the player whatever team is targeting with the GC pick is actually available right at the time of that selection.

 

[Turbocat]

I do love the look of Wilson.

He not only gets the ball but also hits the scoreboard and has real speed/agility.

I guess my mental is that he just hasn't been rated in the top bunch... but he could be as good as them in the long run.

If we could split and get Wilson + another pick in the 20's it could be ok... But I just don't think Wilson will be around long after our #7 so we'd probably need to split with Dons or the Crows for that to happen.

I like the way he hits up the forward. I could see his value increasing liken Holmes

 

[Turbocat]

Fair to say that Melbourne's team of the 20th century was dominated by players from their 6-flag golden era in the 50s and 60s.

Probably the one you missed though is Robbie Flower. He was a superstar in a very poor team in the 70s and 80s.

Other gun players for them before the current team might include Greg Wells, Todd Viney, Greg Healy and Brian Wilson (who like Shane Woewodin won a Brownlow playing for Melbourne, which is one more Brownlow than any of Gawn, Oliver or Petracca have won).

Some stars of the game also played for the Dees even though they made their names elsewhere like Gerard Healy (Sydney), Peter Moore (Collingwood - also won a Brownlow playing for the Dees), Carl Ditterich (St Kilda) and Kelvin Templeton (Footscray).

Absolute champion ...be close to my favourite no geelong player. Ina era of brutality..how he survived is mind boggling. He would be even better now.

 

[Turbocat]

If we take Harmes we're just keeping one of our young fellows out of the team; anyway he's a B-grader.

Id rather take the pain and play the young ones and get games into them. DEmpsey, Knevitt, Clark etc.

 

[Shadow89]

Christ we're bored this year. No Finals, looking like a light trade period. Looks like it's a big come down after winning a flag and then completely dominating trade period.

That was a special year, not every one can be like that.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Would North trade 14 + 19 to us for our 7?

If we were looking to accrue points to forward to GC for #4 if they made that trade it would put us in the box seat to snag #4..you

GC's 4 = 2034pts

Our 7 = 1644pts
Norths 14 + 19 = 2109pts
Dogs 10 + 17 = 2420pts

If we got Norths 14 + 19 and added on say pick 30 (Sav pick guess) that would give us more than the Dog 10 + 17 package (Dogs could add more though if really keen).

14, 19 and 30 = 2738pts

Essentially #7 + Sav's bounty for #4 which should give us one of Sanders or McKercher.

The key would be getting Norths 14 + 19 for our 7... which seems a possibility to me.

Maybe instead of this year's 19 it would be better for GC to get next year's North compo that they can trade back into this year after some bids... + North really should be trading it as it'll be under review if they don't.

Ahhh so many options but trading up is a chance if required to get a player we really like.

P.S I'm assuming this kinda stuff will be done live on draft night to make sure the player whatever team is targeting with the GC pick is actually available right at the time of that selection.

I also wouldn't discount the idea that young Jed is still available at 4. Nick Daicos didn't get selected until 3 and he was best in his class.

 

[iameviljez]

I also wouldn't discount the idea that young Jed is still available at 4. Nick Daicos didn't get selected until 3 and he was best in his class.

Daicos would have gone at one were it not for the fact that he was a F/S.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Daicos would have gone at one were it not for the fact that he was a F/S.

Yep, and Walter would go at 2 in a power rankings driven world.

 

[allrighty]

Absolute champion ...be close to my favourite no geelong player. Ina era of brutality..how he survived is mind boggling. He would be even better now.

Played against him in high school. Weighed about 50kg I reckon. But could mark anything over the pack, turn on a sixpence five cent piece and run like the wind.

Then went on to be a legend. Plus a good and decent man.

 

[allrighty]

Daicos would have gone at one were it not for the fact that he was a F/S.

Any comment Gill?

 

[iameviljez]

Any comment Gill?

Nothing to do with Gil, just the fact that there was zero real incentive for the sides with the previous picks to bid on him.

 

[Two Planks]

With us being linked to nobody, am I right to assume that the club are super confident of the kids coming through and want to give them more opportunity next season. Clark, Dempsey, Conway, Mullin and Kvevitt for example.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Christ we're bored this year. No Finals, looking like a light trade period. Looks like it's a big come down after winning a flag and then completely dominating trade period.

That was a special year, not every one can be like that.

So this is how the other half lives

 

[Kobe Gryant]

With us being linked to nobody, am I right to assume that the club are super confident of the kids coming through and want to give them more opportunity next season. Clark, Dempsey, Conway, Mullin and Kvevitt for example.

You'd think so, or just adding to it with a Lord/Duursma or just more picks.

Put the faith in the young brigade and add a few more names to the nucleus.

An off-season bringing in Ollie Lord, Darcy Wilson, George Stevens/Charlie Edwards with O'Brien as pure depth would be a productive one IMO.

Might not help us right away, and won't cause jubilation for the more casual supporters, but it's going to help go on another run in 5-6 years when that nucleus is in their prime.

Can't always win trade week, at the end of the day flags are all that matters.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

You'd think so, or just adding to it with a Lord/Duursma or just more picks.

Put the faith in the young brigade and add a few more names to the nucleus.

An off-season bringing in Ollie Lord, Darcy Wilson, George Stevens/Charlie Edwards with O'Brien as pure depth would be a productive one IMO.

Might not help us right away, and won't cause jubilation for the more casual supporters, but it's going to help go on another run in 5-6 years when that nucleus is in their prime.

Can't always win trade week, at the end of the day flags are all that matters.

Just my opinion but O Lord - but i think theres more upside - more to get excited about as a footballer than O Henry

Because Lord is lightning quick and he is 6ft 5inc

And when he kicked the 4 goals in that final - he did stuff that only really good players could do - and he has the physical attributes to do it - like a turn of foot

As others have said it is a very lack lustre - boring trade period for the Cats this off season - however Geel can turn that on their head - if O Lord is running around in the hoops next year

Personally i think Pt AAde would have to have rocks in their head to let him go/trade him out- but stranger things have happened

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Nothing to do with Gil, just the fact that there was zero real incentive for the sides with the previous picks to bid on him.

That's my point. Academy and f/s slide. It's criminal that Gulden was still there to be bid on in the 30s.

Hence I wouldn't be surprised if Jed Walter slid to the Suns natural pick.

 

[tielgaz]

With us being linked to nobody, am I right to assume that the club are super confident of the kids coming through and want to give them more opportunity next season. Clark, Dempsey, Conway, Mullin and Kvevitt for example.

Nope, no one want to come…..

 

[Reg Hickey]

Played against him in high school. Weighed about 50kg I reckon. But could mark anything over the pack, turn on a sixpence five cent piece and run like the wind.

Then went on to be a legend. Plus a good and decent man.

Wow, we do have some old-timers on this board.

I didn't play against him in high school, but I do remember him flying over packs and running up and down the wing for the Dees at not much more than 50kg.

I also recall being SO disappointed for him in his last game when Jim Stynes ran through the mark, gave away the 15m penalty and cost him the opportunity to go out in a Grand Final. Considering it took him his whole career just to play a final.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If duursma goes to ess for bzt port wont need to trade fr1 for sav (not that they ever were).
Maybe 37 and future 2nd for sav and our future 3rd is the circuit breaker. They can use our future 3rd on sweet and 43 on soldo.
I would like more for sav but doubt we get it.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Best case would be to get Oliver, almost at any cost.
But absolute clear second best case would be for us to use pick 7 to help facilitate the Oliver trade for another club where we can push for overs.
Maybe Smith and a pick back for 7 or something like that, if he would chose the dogs for example.
We should stay interested in whatever the outcome is and look to be a player in it.

Do we really need Oliver at all costs?? I get he would be fantastic, but he is not the difference between a flag and not a flag. We have many puzzle pieces to fill at present and handing 2x firsts for Oliver will leave plenty of other deficiencies that we won’t be able to fill.

If he says he wants to come to us we can try to get it done. But I am not convinced he will put us into premiership contention at all.

I actually have a preference to use 1x first on Bailey smith and then push hard for ports future first for esava and then go into next years crop with higher capital.

I don’t see Oliver as a must tho

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Would North trade 14 + 19 to us for our 7?

If we were looking to accrue points to forward to GC for #4 if they made that trade it would put us in the box seat to snag #4..you

GC's 4 = 2034pts

Our 7 = 1644pts
Norths 14 + 19 = 2109pts
Dogs 10 + 17 = 2420pts

If we got Norths 14 + 19 and added on say pick 30 (Sav pick guess) that would give us more than the Dog 10 + 17 package (Dogs could add more though if really keen).

14, 19 and 30 = 2738pts

Essentially #7 + Sav's bounty for #4 which should give us one of Sanders or McKercher.

The key would be getting Norths 14 + 19 for our 7... which seems a possibility to me.

Maybe instead of this year's 19 it would be better for GC to get next year's North compo that they can trade back into this year after some bids... + North really should be trading it as it'll be under review if they don't.

Ahhh so many options but trading up is a chance if required to get a player we really like.

P.S I'm assuming this kinda stuff will be done live on draft night to make sure the player whatever team is targeting with the GC pick is actually available right at the time of that selection.

I like your theory but the problem is walter will be bid at 2 so gc will have to live trade then but we wont want to trade 7 until we see who gws takes at 6 so we know who is there.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Watson is brilliant

He is but hes not a list fit for us we need mids.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

This is what I was thinking too. And if Sanders is as good as people say he is, and a perfect fit for what we need, then he's likely to be more value to us than the combination of whatever is available at 7 and whatever we get back for Esava.

Which is why i think we should demand the best possible pick we can get from Port for Esava (ideally in the 20-25 range) and then trade that along with #7 to Gold Coast in return for #4.

Gold Coast are after points, and #7+#23 = 2,459 points while #4 is only worth 2,034 points. Even better, find a 3rd club interested in pick #7 with some later picks to trade, and load GCS up with even more points. Win-win-win.

10 plus 17 is better for them than 7 and 23 as they will be able to split the teens picks down again for more points more easily than with 23.