Gibbs requests trade to Adelaide

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I reckon you guys have to roll the dice on Gibbs or similar.

So many guns at the right age, yes 2 first rounders would hurt a bit in 5 years but you'll be better off for the next 3. Walker, Betts, Jacobs, Sloane, Jenkins etc approaching 30 why not take the punt and watch 3 years prelims(at a minimum).
I reckon you guys need to be smart and choose a first round pick over an old player who will poison your culture and leave you for nothing in a few years time, after convincing the best young talent to get out when they can.
 

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Carlton gave up pick 3, Kennedy (worth a first rounder) and 30 for for Chris Judd in his prime.

We are giving up 2 first rounders (admittedly lower first rounders) for an older Gibbs.
Kennedy worth a first rounder. He was top 4 pick two years prior. Carlton gave up essentially two top 5 picks and pick 30 for Judd. We are reportedly giving up 1 st rounder and slipping down half a dozen spots at most in 2017.

Comprehension obviously not a strong point!
 

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I reckon you guys have to roll the dice on Gibbs or similar.

So many guns at the right age, yes 2 first rounders would hurt a bit in 5 years but you'll be better off for the next 3. Walker, Betts, Jacobs, Sloane, Jenkins etc approaching 30 why not take the punt and watch 3 years prelims(at a minimum).
Because it wouldnt be rolling the dice lol. Rolling the dice says there is a chance they come up in our favor
 

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I reckon Kenny Rodgers has some advice for Justin Reid


Time to walk away.
Hahahah
This just reminded me of Roo caught on the Tripple M footy coverage... singing the gambler couple years back! And him repeating it tomorrow in the list management committee meeting
 

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Kennedy worth a first rounder. He was top 4 pick two years prior. Carlton gave up essentially two top 5 picks and pick 30 for Judd. We are reportedly giving up 1 st rounder and slipping down half a dozen spots at most in 2017.

Comprehension obviously not a strong point!

You repeat exactly what i said and then say comprehension isnt my strong point... beautiful irony mate
 

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We were never getting Gibbs for 13 only.

Never.
Well if it was apparent after week one of the trade that 2 x first rounders and nothjng else we should have walked away and stopped wasting time.

I'll be livid if we give 2 x first for Gibbs. I'll hold fire but if that eventuates I will have lost all faith in Roo for letting this get done.
 

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Here's the way I see it:

SOS will accept some sort of deal for Gibbs before the end of the trade period. However he is a very good player and he is contracted, so Carlton doesn't want their supporters to feel like they are getting a bad deal.

Step 1: Leak to media crazy trades for Gibbs that involve very good young players from Adelaide. This establishes that Carlton aren't going to roll over for nothing

Step 2: Release statement from SOS suggesting that Carlton hasn't received an acceptable offer yet. This establishes that whatever deal Carlton accepts will be acceptable and fair value.

Step 3: Accept reasonable deal for both clubs. By previously having established that Carlton won't roll over and will only accept a good deal for their club, this ensures that whatever deal is struck is seen as the best deal.

Thus supporters see that SOS has only accepted what they think is a great deal for them
 

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Another genius at work.

We could get Gibbs, Cripps and 4 future second rounders but the melters would be all wahh 2 first round picks for Gibbs!11!!

In all likelihood swapping our first for Carlton's second in 2017 is a much better result than 13 + a second rounder but carry on. Cant help stupid i guess.
Yes and no, it depends where Adelaide and Carlton finish next year.

If we have a few injuries and finish around the same position as Carlton (say we finish 11th and Carlton finishes 10th). It would then be pick 9 (if we traded our 2nd) vs having 2 picks in the 30s (if we trade our first and receive Carlton's 2nd). Under those circumstances you would take pick 9 any day of the week.

That's the problem with speculative pick trading. At the time you think it's great, but like Collingwood found with the Treloar trade they can also turn around and bite you too.
 

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Will we see the first AFL trade with a clause for a 'protected' 1st round pick whereby if the Crows fail to make the 8 the pick is protected and we handover our 2nd rounder instead?

If we do make the top 8 the deal stands as 2 1sts for Gibbs and 2017 2nd.

Nice insurance policy to mitigate a higher cost.
 

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Yes and no, it depends where Adelaide and Carlton finish next year.

If we have a few injuries and finish 11th and Carlton hypothetically finish 10th

It would then be pick 9 (if we traded our 2nd) vs having 2 picks in the 30s (if we trade our first and receive Carlton's 2nd).

That's the problem with speculative pick trading. At the time you think it's great, but like Collingwood found with the Treloar trade they can also turn around and bite you too.
We aren't Collingwood and its a calculated risk worth taking to secure a class player like Gibbs.
 
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Another genius at work.

We could get Gibbs, Cripps and 4 future second rounders but the melters would be all wahh 2 first round picks for Gibbs!11!!

In all likelihood swapping our first for Carlton's second in 2017 is a much better result than 13 + a second rounder but carry on. Cant help stupid i guess.
Technically better, but not 'much better'. Let's be conservative and say in 2017 we finish 6th and Carlton finish 12th (risk involved with these scenarios). We give up pick 13 and receive pick 24. Points difference is 427. Pick 31 (2017 2nd, assuming same scenario) is worth 606.

And if we disregard the points argument, I'd suggest most on here wouldn't swap pick 13 for 24 and 31 either... Particularly as we bagged Port for doing a similar thing today.
 

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If the swap of first rounder for their second is true, not sure how I feel about that as it's pretty risky given Carlton might impress more than expected or we fail to fire. Add that with compo picks being handed out and it could drop a few more places but I suppose it's better than no Gibbs.

If their second back was true I'd love for us to turn it over for Rockliff, basically giving up two first rounders for Gibbs and Rockliff which would be a win in my eyes. Lose Lyons (for cap reasons) but it gets us into the second round of this draft so we can still top up a little.

That said, I feel we won't be doing anything else outside of Gibbs in return for players coming to us, hasn't really been any talk of anyone else linked with us at all which I think we'd have otherwise heard by now. If Rocky was much of a chance I think there would be a little more noise about it.
 
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Haha as you have proven comprehension is beyond you.
Using father son points as an indicator, unless we seriously drop off next year and Carlton shoot for the top 8, we'd be giving up MORE for Gibbs by adding a second rounder to Pick 13 than if we swapped our 2017 first for their 2017 second. Doesn't matter though, the melties on this board hear "2 first rounders" and the blood starts boiling. Can't help imbeciles like that.
 

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Yes and no, it depends where Adelaide and Carlton finish next year.

If we have a few injuries and finish around the same position as Carlton (say we finish 11th and Carlton finishes 10th). It would then be pick 9 (if we traded our 2nd) vs having 2 picks in the 30s (if we trade our first and receive Carlton's 2nd). Under those circumstances you would take pick 9 any day of the week.

That's the problem with speculative pick trading. At the time you think it's great, but like Collingwood found with the Treloar trade they can also turn around and bite you too.
Carlton will finish bottom 4 IMO and potentially bottom 2, they will be in full rebuild mode
 
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