Gibbs requests trade to Adelaide

[Kane McGoodwin]

Mackay's professionalism recognised
David Mackay’s outstanding preparation and attention to detail has been recognised, with the wingman awarded the Dr Brian Sando OAM Trophy.
http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-09-23/mackays-professionalism-recognised

Just the leadership Brisbane need...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That would mean it is cheaper for Carlton to keep him - as they don't have as much to pay in the remainder of the contract. It's better for Gibbs as he earns more. Is that right? Surely not.

You read that correct ....cheaper for Carlton to keep

 

[Scorpus]

No definitely the higher paid players are unconditional contracts .....get full payments even if dropped

They'd probably just sign a contract that says their reserves match payments are identical to AFL match payments

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Great for us .....not sure Gibbs Manager will agree to that reduction ? ......Gibbs manager will want his cake (forward payment) + eat it too (the original $650K per year)

It's brings forward his current salary - he or his manager would be stupid to.complain. Anyway, the salary won't be the issue.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Don't rule out the Hawks

No.....Hawthorn midfield would too slow, just having got Tom Mitchell ......i suspect that was a factor in Sam Mitchell departing

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Understand what you're saying ......but you can't ask for any of the forward payment back?

No!

Do you understand the concept of contract payments?!

 

[baldandbroke]

Great for us .....not sure Gibbs Manager will agree to that reduction ? ......Gibbs manager will want his cake (forward payment) + eat it too (the original $650K per year)

That is a huge risk by a club then.

Is this example right:

• Gibbs had $650k per year for 5 years ($3.25 million for the full contract)
• Carlton pay extra in the first two years at say $900k ($1.8 million cf $1.3 million if paid equally)
• The contract has 3 years and $1.45 million remaining on it. ($483k per year)
• Gibbs breaks the contract and leaves for Adelaide and doesn't have to repay any of the $500k overpayment?
• He can then renegotiate the remaining 3 years with Adelaide?

WTF?

 

[BRL121]

Is it GWS & Carlton sorting some things out ......or Adelaide having to get their part of the deal complete from 3rd parties?

Obviously Carlton want to use #13 in the Marchbank deal + ??

GWS have flatly refused to get involved in the AFC-Carlton Gibbs trade.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

One last thing before I leave your board. Seems from IM's that some of you don't want me here which I respect. Carlton are not going to to take less than Gibbs is worth because they do not need to trade him. Adelaide are not going to pay more than he is worth because they do not need to take him. The deal will get done, I understand early next week, and all of us will be a little bit disappointed but not very disappointed.

We've enjoyed your contributions .....unfortunately every board, including yours, has its extremists

 

[WaynesWorld19]

That is a huge risk by a club then.

Is this example right:

• Gibbs had $650k per year for 5 years ($3.25 million for the full contract)
• Carlton pay extra in the first two years at say $900k ($1.8 million cf $1.3 million if paid equally)
• The contract has 3 years and $1.45 million remaining on it. ($483k per year)
• Gibbs breaks the contract and leaves for Adelaide and doesn't have to repay any of the $500k overpayment?
• He can then renegotiate the remaining 3 years with Adelaide?

WTF?

That seems to be the outcome we've been discussing ???

 

[baldandbroke]

No.....Hawthorn midfield would too slow, just having got Tom Mitchell ......i suspect that was a factor in Sam Mitchell departing

Hawks have no problems with speed - they are bringing in JOM. Look at Sydney / WB - lots of tough workers with fast hands.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

They'd probably just sign a contract that says their reserves match payments are identical to AFL match payments

Not sure .....but a Jake Lever / Wayne Milera though would be on match payments plus base salary .....if they get dropped, they get a much lower match payment

Lever would have had a great year financially .....and his contract next will be unconditional

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Hawks have no problems with speed - they are bringing in JOM. Look at Sydney / WB - lots of tough workers with fast hands.

Their bringing him in on their list however he still needs to get on the park i

 

[arsene wenger1]

GWS have flatly refused to get involved in the AFC-Carlton Gibbs trade.

They're involved even if they don't know it

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No!

Do you understand the concept of contract payments?!

yes i do ......but the forward payment probably was not in the contract, but a voluntary payment? .....we don't know?

Your correct though, if the weighting of annual payments was contracted .....then no dispute, we benefit from that ....which may also explain some of Carltons angst

 

[WaynesWorld19]

GWS have flatly refused to get involved in the AFC-Carlton Gibbs trade.

How do you know that? .....irrespective, Carlton would be negotiating for Marchbank / Pickett, around #13 plus what else ?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Their bringing him in on their list however he still needs to get on the park i

After all that's involved ......if required, they'll carry Omera on to the park

 

[baldandbroke]

Their bringing him in on their list however he still needs to get on the park i

Yep - and I'm guessing they are planning with JOM being in the starting 22 in mind

 

[Elite Crow]

According to that horse trainer Mackay is going but I don't trust sources that have anything to do with horses

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

yes i do ......but the forward payment probably was not in the contract, but a voluntary payment? .....we don't know?

Your correct though, if the weighting of annual payments was contracted .....then no dispute, we benefit from that ....which may also explain some of Carltons angst

No again!

There is no such thing as a voluntary payment!

Front-loaded contracts are in writing & cash flowed accordingly.

Not sure why you are making a big incorrect deal about this when it won't have an impact on whether Gibbs joins afc.

 

[1970crow]

Was speaking to someone involved ......they said 50 % of AFL Player contracts are unconditional (highly paid players) ....whilst the other 50% are on incentive contracts, which include match payments

Obviously Mackay is on the unconditional contract

I was arguing with someone about this. They were trying to tell us that players had to have a match payment component. The rules quoted just set out the minimum amount that a player earns, it didn't define the contract structure. As if Sloaney will be earning less next year because he twangs a hammy. It makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hawks have no problems with speed - they are bringing in JOM. Look at Sydney / WB - lots of tough workers with fast hands.

Lost their quickest player hill though, so jom only maintains the status quo for speed, assuming he is actually fit.

 

[FyfeToAdelaide]

That is a huge risk by a club then.

Is this example right:

• Gibbs had $650k per year for 5 years ($3.25 million for the full contract)
• Carlton pay extra in the first two years at say $900k ($1.8 million cf $1.3 million if paid equally)
• The contract has 3 years and $1.45 million remaining on it. ($483k per year)
• Gibbs breaks the contract and leaves for Adelaide and doesn't have to repay any of the $500k overpayment?
• He can then renegotiate the remaining 3 years with Adelaide?

WTF?

Theyd have to agree to trade and break his contract.. if the opposite happened and back ended it the the club tried to trade him he'd have to agree to it knowing he'd lose that money.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No again!

There is no such thing as a voluntary payment!

Front-loaded contracts are in writing & cash flowed accordingly.

Not sure why you are making a big incorrect deal about this when it won't have an impact on whether Gibbs joins afc.

I was simply having a discussion ......why should you care ?

And just for your limited understanding contract variations are common, maybe not in your industry, but across many industries and in PM they're more than common .......are they verbal and not in writing? .....do you think i have L Plates on

 

[1970crow]

Mackay's professionalism recognised
David Mackay’s outstanding preparation and attention to detail has been recognised, with the wingman awarded the Dr Brian Sando OAM Trophy.
http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-09-23/mackays-professionalism-recognised

Should take it off him now that they've found out he's got another training gear to go to.